Jun 5, 2019
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>1) Part of the defensive issues the Hawks had, was due to the offense. The last couple years, and worse this year then the prior, was the amount of turnovers in the offensive and neutral zones, odd man rushes and puck possession was dismal in the offensive zone. Those are large in part offensive issues.
2) Kubalik, Kurashev, Barrett and Entwistle are all projected as bottom 6 guys. Kubalik and Kurashev are arguably top 9 guys. The problem is, outside of Turcotte if that's who the Hawks draft, the Hawks have zero top 6 forwards in the prospect pool. That is problematic. Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, Jokiharju are all higher end prospects then anyone we have on offense outside of Turcotte and maybe one could argue Kubalik and Mitchell are about even in their ceilings.
3) If you watched Gus closely, he made dramatic improvements in this defensive game between the start of the season and the end. The last 30 games of the season, he was certainly very serviceable defensively and better then the rotation of 3rd liners (Dahlstrom, Koekko, and Forsling) defensively. Watching his improvement over the past season and a half, was remarkable in my opinion. If he keeps improving this coming year defensively, we have a solidified top liner.
4) Seabs has been pretty forward that he's not waiving and wants to retire a Hawk, going beyond that to say he hopes he can work for the organization when he retires. If that's the case, maybe he would retire early?</div></div>
1) that's where I disagree. I saw plenty of times this year when the hawks D couldn't clear and turned the puck over (in their own zone/neutral zone) . Sure there are the turnovers by the offense but the defense should have been able to defend some of those rushes. Also when Delia was in net, he gave up a lot of rebounds which the other team would score. How come the defense couldn't clear those pucks? Most of the better teams are able too. Don't even get me started on the PK.
2) Point is the hawks have to look at the long term and i don't forsee them bringing in a big name forward when you have to lock up 2-3 of your forwards to massive contracts. You have a line like
#3 overall-Toews-Kane, Kahun-strome-Debrincat as your top 6 so basically you are filling up your bottom 6 with those prospects/depth guys. Not all prospects work out. ill point you to Jack Skillie and Pirri on that subject.
3) Obviously you value Gus more valuable than I do he there are better top 4 defensemen in this league that the hawks can go out and get. No way am i going to pay what he demands in his next contract. Especially when they either bring in someone (trade/FA) or promote internally for cheaper, he seems like the odd man out.
4) I don't think he never said he was waiving, there were reports out there that he was asked at the TDL but he denied that he was asked. He can retire a hawks like Sharp, Campbell, and Bickell all did. There are certain teams i think he would waive for and 2 of those teams are FLA and VAN. Maybe when the expansion draft comes he will waive for Seattle.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>If they get Byram, they would be able to move Beaudin potentially.
I doubt the Hawks grab any huge defensive name like Trouba or EK. Hawks have Beaudin, Boqvist, Mitchell, Jokiharju, Krys, Carlsson already in just the prospects...that pretty much solidifies the future defense and any big name defender is going to be looking for a big long term contract that will put us back in the same shoes we are in on D with an aging Seabs and Keith.
Beyond the prospects, Seabs and Keith aren't going anywhere for another 4 years, plus Gus has shown he is one of the best offensive D guys in the league. Hawks aren't making a run for the cup this season, so grabbing a big name defender is unlikely.
What is much more likely is grabbing a big name forward due to the simple fact the Hawks don't have anywhere near the depth in forward prospects that they have on defense and they have at least 1 glaring hole to fill in the top 2 lines on the wing.</div></div>
I highly doubt the hawks go out and grab a big name forward. Maybe Dzingel but they have to lock up Strome, DeBrincat and Kahun to extensions after this upcoming season Strome will be 4-5 million a year and Debrincat will be 8=9 million a year. and kahun will be a big one too. I think Defense was more the issue than offense. They do have Kubalik. Kurashev, Barrett, Entwistle and the forward they draft with the 3rd overall all who may project into the roster in the future. You name all these D prospects but what if they don't work out? I would rather have a proven NHL player on Defense that I have control over for 5-7 years than a defensive prospect that you don't know will pan out.
Yeah Gus was one of the best offensive producers on defense this year, But will you pay him 3-4 million a year for someone who gives you nothing defensively? I wouldn't
Personally, I think Stan has shown he can move bad contracts like Sharp, Bickell and Manning and he will ultimately move Seabrooks just a matter of when and how much it costs the hawks to move.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vmach</b></div><div>So by your reasoning, Boston should grab Lucic while they can because they drafted him? But you right Q will reunite wit him, but it will be in 5 years on a golf course. Seabs is a bad contract but he is staying in CHI and probably until he decides to retire. And even If by some miracle he will agree to go to FL, and FL will want him there, it will cost us a lot more than what you proposing. FL will not be giving as Pysik and 4th, but rather it will be us giving them at least Krys + 2nd + something else just to take him.
Its not AA that I was unhappy with, its Gus, you giving away 60 point producer for 2nd? we can do more, especially if he puts up another good season at TDL we can get 1st ++
And Marleau I'm ok with taking, but they will have to give us someone like Kapanen to take him and buy him out, so he can sign with LA, SJS or AR for maybe $1M</div></div>
Seabrook: Yes he has stated he wants to stay here but looking at the future of the defense there is no room for him on it and he might realize this. What is it going to cost to move him? Who knows but he will ultimately get traded. If he cares about the organization and the future it is heading, then he should waive his NTC.
I just don't think Gus is worth a 1st round pick, especially since he will be commanding a lot more than 1.2 million after the season and he is really only known for his offensive ability and only 1 season where he had 60 points, what if he only has 30 points next season? Is he still worth a 1st? We have a log jam at D and I ultimately think Gus isn't in the hawks future plans. Might as well sell him when his value is at its highest.
The real question with Marleau is would he waive to potentially win a cup or waive to for family reasons? Keep in mind he's in the last year of his deal and if bought out it wouldn't affect the hawks cap. They would still have to carry his full cap hit since its a 35+ contract. So why buy him out when you can use him on the third line?