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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 9, 2020 at 10:28 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2020 at 8:34 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>Ignorance to facts at hand doesn't mean you can dismiss the argument and pretend to be right.

For the sake of argument, the NHLe of the SHL and Liiga are effectively comparable and are equivalent to the AHL. Thus the following:

Pierre Engvall
- Entering his Draft+6 season
- 76 points in 127 games across both leagues, 0.598ppg.
- 15 points in 48 NHL games, 0.313ppg

Jesse Puljujarvi
- Entering his Draft+4 season
- 129 points in 180 games across Liiga/AHL, 0.717ppg
- 37 points in 139 NHL games, 0.266ppg

If the typical consensus is that after a player's draft+5 season, he "is-what-he-is", we can project what each player is "expected" to do based on their largest body of professional work. Statistically, Engvall isn't going to develop into anything beyond what he is in his career today. He might get transitioned into a full-time role as a center, but beyond that we can expect his production to effectively remain constant. His AHL-equivalent numbers project him to be a 0.293ppg player at the NHL-level. He's currently overachieving based on the math: this is why I said the sample size was too small. You can't look at 48 games worth of production and claim this is Engvall's floor. For all we know, it's his ceiling.

Puljujarvi currently has another year before we can genuinely say he's peaked: based solely on the math, Puljujarvi should be clocking in somewhere at around a 0.354ppg player. It's not hard to realize that this clearly isn't the case, but we also have the knowledge that he was given - typically - less than 10min a night per game in the NHL, stapled to Milan Lucic's hip, and never used effectively (the club tried to turn him into a grinder instead of capitalizing on elements like his shot). Again, it's worth mentioning that Puljujarvi's AHL-equivalent numbers were typically produced with Jesse featuring as the best player on his team - his stretch this season (53pts/56gp, a 0.463NHLe) - are a testament to that. Engvall has never been the best player on any of his AHL-equivalent teams. Lawrence Pilut or Jeremy Bracco were. Claiming that the two are in any way comparable - just because of a ppg in a minte sample size - is ludicrous.

I don't know where you get the claim "bad defensively" from unless you're ignorant to how bad the 18/19 Oilers were. Puljujarvi was touted as a two-way monster on his draft day and showed it in Finland where he was given room to play his game. You don't get to be a +30 player (even if +/- is flawed to all hell) in any league by being a slouch.

His value right now has some influence from where he was drafted, but it's far from the only reason. He was drafted high for a reason, never put into a position to excel, chased away, and re-discovered his game back home. He's 22 years old. There's a ton of runway left with this kid, and that's where his value comes from. His current ceiling is miles higher than a second round pick today, even higher than most prospects. I don't care if you personally think he has no value; it's your choice to be ignorant to facts. You have a right to be wrong.</div></div>

What are Puljujarvi's AHL numbers if you take out his Liiga numbers? Also Engvall is much better defensively than Puljujarvi.

Basically what you're saying about Engvall not having a large enough sample size is a double standard. You also have a right to be wrong. Don't feel too bad.

A 2nd is fair for Puljujarvi imo.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kafle22</b></div><div>I still don't get why other oilers fans think poolparty is worth a first</div></div>

It happens. Some Leafs fans still think Bracco is an A tier prospect.