Dec 2, 2017
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Hockey pundits spend more time talking about giving higher end and younger talent too much money as if that's what causes cap problems. It's turning a 3 picks,, Radko Gudas and about $16M in cap space into Hayes, Niskanen and Braun that kills a teams cap.
Think about that, the combination of those 3 players essentially cost about $18M in cap space (when you factor in the $1M retained on Gudas). There will be tonnes of talk about how Toronto or Tampa might have trouble filling out a good line up when they each inevitably have 45+% of their payroll dolled out to their core 4-6 players, but those deals aren't the ones that kill you, it's garbage like this. In fact, if the Leafs didn't have to contend with Zaitsev or Marleau, or Tampa didn't have Callahan and Girardi on the books, both teams could comfortably sign their RFAs, and still have room to upgrade while having all of their best players under contract for a few years as the cap rises.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>I have already commented on this and you seem to ignore that part.
He's a UFA, Nylander was a RFA, Nylander also got 1 million per year more.
Those are big factors in this discussion. Fact is, nothing in Nylanders career so far screams he will be a consistent player over 20 some goals. The fact that he is surrounded with a lot more talent helps with those assist numbers.
So as I was saying. It's a decent comparable when you are talking about 20 goal scoring players. Which is exactly what Nylander has been so far.</div></div>
<strong>"He's a UFA, Nylander was a RFA"</strong>
Have you not noticed that RFA's have been getting as much (or more) than comparable UFA's for the past two years?
RFA's are getting higher cap-hits (on long-term contracts) to account for potential improvement (Draisaitl, Eichel, Matthews, etc)
UFA's are getting lower cap-hits (on long-term contracts) to account for their potential decline (Ellis, McDonagh, Wheeler, etc)
The two highest cap-hits in the league were given to 21 year old RFA's .... the UFA argument doesn't really apply anymore.
<strong>"Nylander also got 1 million per year more"</strong>
Nylander's cap-hit is <strong>15%</strong> higher than Nelsons.
He produced <strong>40%</strong> more offense than Nelson (in the 2 years prior to their signings).
He did this in his rookie + sophomore seasons while being six years younger than Nelson.
<strong>"Fact is, nothing in Nylanders career so far screams he will be a consistent player over 20 some goals"</strong>
Nylanders 1st NHL season = <strong>22 </strong>goals / <strong>61 </strong>points
Nylanders 2nd NHL season = <strong>20 </strong>goals / <strong>61 </strong>points
Then he signed his contract .... that about as consistent as a 20 to 21 year old player could possible be LMAO.
Nelson was in the AHL at 20 and a 4th line player at 21 ... then he improved drastically over the next 6 years.
Yet somehow you think Nylander's career peaked when he was a rookie?
<strong>"The fact that he is surrounded with a lot more talent helps with those assist numbers"</strong>
Nylander has played with Brown, Marleau and Hyman as much as he's played with Matthews.
Nelson also gets more ice-time than Nylander ... and I think he was on one of the highest scoring teams in the NHL last year?
<strong>"It's a decent comparable when you are talking about 20 goal scoring players. Which is exactly what Nylander has been so far".</strong>
Lets just ignore the fact that Nylander is a <strong>much </strong> better playmaker ... which is his primary offensive skill set.
Lets also ignore the fact that Nelson is not a good playmaker .... so goal scoring is his primary offensive skill set.
Even if we ignore both of the facts ... this is still a horrible comparison LMAO.
If you want to compare players you have to compare them at the same point in their career.
When they were both at the exact same point in their career as Nylander's signing ... they were exactly this:
Nelson = <strong>14 </strong>goal and <strong>26 </strong>point scorer (proven for 1 season)
Nylander = <strong>21 </strong>goal and <strong>61 </strong>point scorer (proven over 2 seasons)
That is exactly what they had both proven at the same age.
We now know that Nelsons ceiling is as a 20 goal / 50 point player ....
And that is probably Nylander's absolute floor ...
And he has the potential to double those numbers during his contract.