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klaw2

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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 16, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
Thread: Random Thoughts - NYR Side
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Root</b></div><div>Rangers reject. Miller is a top LD, Laffy is a top LW for Nylander a top 6 C/RW. Robertson and Goodrow have the same value, mind yeah at least Goodrow will play for you unlike Robertson being on the IR.

I wouldn't trade you Laffy str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.
I wouldn't trade you Miller str8 up for 1 year of Nylander.</div></div>

I'm not a fan of either team of any of the players involved. I'm as unbiased as they come here.

Nylander comes with an 8 yr extension, so you actually have him for 9, not 1.

Laf is not proven to be more than a 3rd liner at this point, but has upside to become top 6. Nylander was 20th in league scoring this past year and has 74 G the last 2 seasons, which is certainly top line quality. He can also play C in a pinch while being a RH shot which NYR only has 1 of out of its top 6 wingers.

Miller is a top 4 Dman, but not a "top LD". He could become a 1st pairing LD, yes, but I don't think anybody is expecting him to be a Norris contender at any point (which would make him a "top LD").

Lastly, Goodrow here is a cap dump, actually. Robertson has relatively low value in the scheme of things.
Forum: General Fantasy TalkJun. 15, 2023 at 11:42 a.m.
Thread: wich fanbase overvalues there players the most
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>klaw2</b></div><div>Flames too

Us as Leafs fans definetly do.

Ducks fans on here especially also do.</div></div>

As a Ducks fan, I gotta think you're referencing the bazillion John Gibson trades, since nobody tries to trade for anyone else on our roster :tearsofjoy In fairness to us though, what's the point of moving him if there's not a good return? It's not like we aren't a cap floor team, so his cap hit isn't an issue and likely wouldn't be for the duration of the contract.

I'm surprised nobody has referenced the Rangers here yet...The Eichel saga was hilarious around here :tearsofjoy

To answer the original question though-Everyone overvalues their players/prospects. I mean, why wouldn't they? I'd say the vast majority of fans get their knowledge from click-baity media types which is hilariously dangerous...watch the draft and listen to the hilarious player comparisons that they do-If you don't have the time to actually look into/follow some of these prospects, and Craig Button is telling you that "Prospect McProspectsalot, the 7th round pick out of Bangladesh" is the next "Patrick Kane", then why wouldn't you simply run with that? Sounds a heck of a lot better than "This 7th round pick is definitely a hockey player, and his odds of ever sniffing the NHL are almost as low as your odds of getting in a plane crash.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 8, 2023 at 10:39 a.m.
Thread: Players who can demand a 1st
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game</div></div>

Yep, totally agree. I think it trending more towards a buyers market like you mentioned is an important factor, especially paired with limited cap space amongst the teams looking for upgrades.

Also, something not mentioned too much is NTC/NMC protection from some players on or off of this list. We’ve seen it play out in the past that returns are limited bc a player only wants to go to a certain team (recent examples are Giroux and Hall).
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 8, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
Thread: Players who can demand a 1st
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I’m sure a GM would bc big = good but for various reasons I’d have a really hard time wrapping my head around sending a first for Perron Bert Anderson Edmunson ROR Toews. I guess if you start throwing retention in the argument gets easier but I’d still be on the fence.</div></div>

A lot of fans of non playoff teams tend to:
1/ overvalue their players
2/ forget that leverage works both ways; a lot of these players can leave as FA so there is pressure on gms to get something for them

For a lot of reasons (lots of impact players likely available, limited cap space amongst contenders), I think (hope 🤞) it’ll be a buyer’s market .
Wings fans (in particular) seem to think if they don’t get the return they want, that can just extend their pending FAs. Pretty sure it doesn’t work that way - most players test FA rather than accept extension this late in the game