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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 21, 2023 at 10:32 a.m.
Thread: Catchy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>I live in the GTA and watch most Leaf games so I’ve seen him play plenty. I watched him get walked for an OT winner in the series against Florida. it is obvious to anyone who has WATCHED Brodie play that he has lost a step and is a diminishing asset and any team that it counting on him to be a “top pair, shutdown D” is destined to be disappointed. He is at best a second pairing D man at this point in his career.

Despite our differences in his value as a player, you Leaf fans fail to acknowledge a couple of key points. First, according to this website there are only a handful of teams that have the cap space ($5m +) to take on Brodie’s contract. Of those teams a couple have players on LTIR who when they come off that cap space disappears (Pitt, Florida), others (Det, Buff) have a boatload of D men. End of the day the trade options are extremely limited and the Leafs will be competing with other teams looking to move contracts for that cap space.

Second, as everyone knows the Hawks are one of those teams who do have available cap space but they don’t really have a NEED to add anything at this point. They are not looking to be competitive this season as they have clearly stated they are in a rebuild, the fans are on board with the rebuild, so there is no external pressure… so why pay for unnecessary assets?

When all is said and done, I think we will as see Kyle Davidson will acquire additional draft capital or young players for his cap space; if it doesn’t happen before the seasons begins, he will be patient and be ready to do business at the TDL.</div></div>

Brodie has played great for 3 years, and has been their most consentient defender and most people on here trading him for scraps bring up a bad play or two in round 2. By that logic we should trade every player for scraps when they have a not so good couple of games.

to add to your point about no teams having space to add and chicago not needing to add, THE LEAFS DON'T NEED TO TRADE BRODIE FOR NOTHING!!! Why are the playoff bound leafs trading their top shutdown D? It doesn't make sense.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 18, 2023 at 1:30 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 18, 2023 at 10:50 a.m.
Thread: Final moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>I just think its unrealistic that the leafs wont be a contender at the TDL, which eliminates ANY possibility of being a seller (nylander, brodie, etc...).

Your suggestions of dropping timmins and lafferty aren;t wrong, but the team would still be over the cap with no depth. Waiving lafferty or timmins, you'd still need a league minimum body, so you're downgrading and saving 400k? The leafs have done this before with lge minimum scubs and every time they had to pay through the nose at the TDL for depth, and it wasn;t enough.

As history has shown the leafs, they can not afford to not have depth in their forward lines, they paid dearly for depth throughout the team at the TDL and have few assets to do the same this year. Sure the leafs could drop lafferty and/or timmins, play weaker guys and they can try to run through the season on a 20 man roster, but theyve done that before and it hasnt worked.

I know hes one of the best dmen on the squad, but watching him walk for nothing on another early exit because the team has no cap space or depth is probably the result. If you ignore the fact the results havent really changed, and when it comes to brodie ignore that hes 33, ignore hes a UFA, ignore that he had a meh playoffs, ignore we probably wont re-sign him, and ignore the fact that we either have to play RD Klingberg, Liljegren and see what we have with Timmins, it makes more sense to move a guy (we didnt just sign) that creates the cap space to make other improvements

As it stands they have to drop at least 1 guy making over 1.2mil, (which really is only jarnkrot), at least in my idea I'm trying to make the team better. Dropping Jarnkrot which seems to be the popular answer, leaves who on the 3rd line that is good 2 way and a lock for 30+ pts.</div></div>

Leafs are about $400k over the cap with a 21 man roster, that 1.2 includes Robertson on the IR. I'd rather not move Lafferty or Timmins which is why they likely do what they did last year and see if there is an injury in camp.

sure we need forward depth in the playoffs, but it think it's better to a) see if any Marlies step up (Robertson/Hirvonen/McMann/Abruzzese) or b) make a TDL move rather for F depth rather than moving a top pair D man for scraps so you can sign a couple 3rd liners.

Just saying "results haven't changed" isn't a good reason to make a bad trade. If they want to change the culture they should break up the core-4 (for a reasonable trade of course) not the guy that took a good deal to come here and be the most consitent steady presence on the back end. If he walks he walks. I'll take a year of Brodie then he walks over a 3rd and Boosh at 2.75 (who also could walk)
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 18, 2023 at 9:30 a.m.
Thread: Final moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hammerwise</b></div><div>Strange but true, but even getting rid of the chaff, Leafs are 1.2mil over the cap.

Theres only four players who make that kind of coin: Jarnkrot, Reaves, Domi, Klingberg, Kampf, with 4 of them being recently signed. Theres little value for jarnkrot and our bottom 6 looks incredibly weak without him.

So while Brodie has talent and is a good player, hes also a FIVE mil UFA to be. And theres few teams (rebuilding) that have cap space and want an expiring UFA. In an ideal world, Brodie is worth a 2nd or more based on talent alone, but in the present day when theres no buyers for an expiring 5mil guy?

Yes Brodie has talnt, yes Brodie is worth far more than that, but to who? In this case the small returns probably are better to the club. Leafs need to get under the cap soon and while brodie would get far more at TDL, can you move him then if hes your top shutdown defender? Of course not, you're going for the cup.

So without weakening the forwards, creating needed cap space and getting a draft picks for TDL, this seems logical. Lyubushkin is not a Brodie, but hes more of a mccabe, he played well for us before, might be a solid partner for Reilly AND it gives you cap space, ability to improve the 3rd pairing and take a flier on a guy like Pulijarvi or a Motte to improve the weak bottom 6 of the forwards. Its also about acquiring/keeping some culture change with some hard nosed, two way guys like Seeler, Jarnkrot, Lyubushkin.

These are examples, but based on what they have now, the meagre help in the AHL, the lack of draft capitol for the TDL: Lyubushkin, Seeler, a Pulijarvi/Josh Bailey, a meh pick and cap space seems to be more of what they need than watching 33 yr old Brodie walk for nothing at the end of another disppointing season because the team has no depth.</div></div>

there are way better options than dumping our top pair shutdown D for scraps. Boosh is a bottom pair guy, I like him but he's best suited for the 3rd pair (and is overpayed) 5 mill for Brodie is good value, he's a top pair defenseman taking on top comp and doing well, 5 is good value.

Why even bother trading him? If they were sellers, for sure trade him at the dealine for a 1st + but the leafs are a playoff team.

here are some better alternatives:
1) go into camp and if there is an LTIR-able injury the problem solves itself (see last year)
2) waive/trade one of Timmins or Lafferty
3) trade Jarnekrok

I likely wouldn't pick 3 since they're contending. Assuming there is no Nylander trade (which also should be a good hockey trade not a cap-dump) I'd do option 1 and have option 2 as a back-up
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2023 at 3:18 p.m.
Thread: Ben Char
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JoeROFLCOPTER</b></div><div>The Red Wings trading one of the top prospects in hockey for a rental who wants more than what he's worth is not in the realm of realism.
Admittedly, it's not as egregious as this.

For this to make the "real of possibility" would require
A) Detroit 50% Retention
B) Upgrade that 4th rounder to a better pick.</div></div>

Why would the leafs do this deal? It makes no sense for them to downgrade on D and forward in a year they want to contend.

In a vacuum that might make sense if the pick is a 1st and a second or third with the retention and Jarnkrok going the other way.

People are talking like Nyander wants 14 mill and he should go for a 2nd rd pick. He wants 10 and he's asking for more because other leafs aren't taking a discount so why should he. Also almost all players of high caliber that get moved in the last yr of their deal have a deal in place with the new team (see the Tkachuk trade last yr)

Realistically he could get 9-9.5 with another team. He's worth that. a 9 million dollar PPG play driver should get a lot in a trade. Not saying Detroit values him over Edvinson considering where they are, but a very good prospect for Willy is not crazy.