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May 16, 2018
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I feel awful for Sabres fans, because their team is in such a tough position with this. No team is going to trade for him without knowing that he's healthy enough to both play again and play at the level that warrents his cap hit. That's just the reality. Just my opinion, but I am surprised that they haven't let him get the surgery he wants, and if I am Eichel I hold out until I get that surgery: it's his body, and while the CBA lets teams have control over a player's medical procedures, the spirit of that is, in reality, not for major injuries that can affect the future health and life of a player (like, for instance, a spinal injury). This is a big deal: if it weren't, he would have been traded by now. This has been ugly, and will continue to be ugly. What's the over/under on the which party caves when it comes to the surgery he gets? I'm probably not taking Eichel, it it certainly seems as though Adams has dug his heels in. Eichel will, at minimum, have to miss the Olympics, and if he doesn't have a surgery soon there is a potential that he misses the entire season. He may never play at the same level (the $10 million dollar per season level) or even play at all. This is his life.
This is all to say that no Sabres fan asked for this. Their is a good chance they're not going to win this trade. The Sabres are also looking to be historically bad this season, and while they have some good prospects, the winning seasons probably will not happen for at least another 3 years (? too liberal, though? Maybe 4-5?). And now the odds are they won't win an Eichel trade. I feel for those fans.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LogicOnly</b></div><div>Lmao no, a 24 year old can and probably will still grow. He is not nearly in his prime yet and thats the point.
And yeah, if it is an opinion, dont get mad at me when I use facts to friggin argue my side lol
guys stop. You are showing your true colors</div></div>
How have I been childish???? Look, this conversation is over. At no point did you use any facts: they were opinions. And we had ours. I never got mad, I just stated opinions, which at no point disparaged or demeaned you in any way. Stop telling me or us that we are childish when you are the one who uses "LMAO" in their messages to demean us. "logic" should not be in your name.
Good luck. I hope, at some point, you realize that you need to grow up. Because, right now, you're just not worth it.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LogicOnly</b></div><div>I added the lol because its just true. if someone thinks a 24 year old is past their prime, they shouldnt be arguing with people on this website. that simple
If someone makes a point that makes no sense at all, I will call it out. Calling a 24 year old past their prime is exactly that, i have no regrets, i did what was right and spoke logiclly respectfully and correctly</div></div>
But that's your opinion, right? The other person is entitled to their opinion, too. We don't put "lol" to prove a point. There are plenty of ideas from people on this site that I disagree with. However, I try my hardest not to add to that discourse by egging someone on with an "lol" or "that's the worst thing I've ever heard," because that simply doesn't add to your argument or casts you in a positive light.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Do you even read? I am saying he is in his prime now, as in he is probably not going to get much better (if at all) than he already is. I very clearly said this. All you are doing now is trying to change what I said so you can hurl insults at me
Also another example of how you are once again not at all respectful, you are the only one being toxic in this thread</div></div>
Well said. :)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OnFoenem34</b></div><div>hes a top5 centre in the league lmfao</div></div>
I get it. He is a top 5 center when fully healthy. Now, gauging from what's happened over the past several months, I would assume that all of the other general managers would agree that they wouldn't want to trade that many assets for a player making $10 million per when they have absolutely no idea if he will A.) be able to perform at that top 5 center in the league, and B.) be able to even play again. That's a mighty big risk that, as of now, nobody has been willing to take. The Sabres also have to take back significant money in return because they'll be well below the cap floor without doing so.
I know it's hard to admit. I know. But every pundit agrees with this. The Sabres are in a tough spot. I wish they weren't, but they are. Whether you agree with it or not does not change that reality. I hope he plays again, but you just don't know. It's telling that no GM has done it yet. I was reading an article about this in the Athletic: Asked by a reader if Eichel would be placed on long-term injury reserve, Vogl points out the Sabres aren’t near the upper limit of the salary cap. Eichel would simply go on injured reserve and his $10 million annual average value would still count against their cap payroll.
Vogl projects they’re at $48.1 million (including Cody Hodgson’s buyout) without Eichel and restricted free agent defenseman Rasmus Dahlin in the lineup. That puts them $12.1 million under the cap’s lower limit.
If Eichel isn’t traded and goes on IR, his cap hit puts the Sabres within $2.1 million of the lower limit. A new contract for Dahlin would make them cap-compliant.
All this is to say that If Eichel gets traded the Sabres will have to take on some salary from whichever club they send him to. Even that might not be enough, forcing them into the trade and free-agent markets to address that need.
<strong>Finally</strong>: at no point did I ever laugh at any comments. I was constructive. Saying "lmfao" is pretty condescending, and both doesn't add to your argument or cast you in a good light. I teach middle and high school students internationally, and they all are mature enough not to act that way.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LogicOnly</b></div><div>Why do you think i said the KHL part, i know its not the best example, and yet it is still a solid example that gets the point across.
And guys come on, just think a little before commenting. Its not right to be doing this.
I just had someone call me someones other account, is this website this ****ing toxic?</div></div>
??? I never once bashed you, made fun of you, or said anything negative about your ideas. I was talking about DeBrusk's worth vs. Backlunds. Don't think I was against you, personally.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LogicOnly</b></div><div>That is the worse thing I have ever heard.
Panarin broke into the league at like 26 lol, i get that he came from the KHL but everyone develops differently
If you think a 24 year old is past the point of potential, you know nothing about hockey and that is obvious lol</div></div>
You could have worded this a bit differently. I mean, adding the lol was a bit condescending and could be taken as harsh. Calling something the "worst think I have ever heard." is also a bit harsh. You can be critical or disagree without bad-mouthing someone's ideas. What you just did, at least to me, makes this site as toxic as it is. Again, I am not against you. But you need to realise that you're being a part of the problem and you can play an active role in fixing that problem. Okay?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Panarin is a stupid example, he was good enough to make the NHL several years earlier, he just had a KHL contract. Same with Kaprizov, he woulda been in the Calder debate if he’d come to the NHL 4 years ago, but he had a contract to fulfill. Those two are comparable to each other. DeBrusk is not even close. As for the trade, Backlund’s a centre, he’s fantastic defensively, and still scores 15-20 goals and 45-50 points from the 3rd line with amazing consistency. DeBrusk was on pace for 10 goals and 28 points last year and he’s gonna be “stuck” on the 3rd line again because he’s not better than Hall. His value is at an all time low, and he needs to either prove he deserves to be on the 2nd line or at least show he can be a solid 3rd line contributor if he wants to be more than a throw in to some trade. Not the centrepiece for a good 2-way centre.</div></div>
Agreed. To me, they're night and day. Team actively look for players like Backlund. Maybe DeBrusk has "potential" that we haven't seen yet, but, at least to me, third-line players of his ilk are pretty easy (and affordable) to find.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Come on man, DeBrusk is pretty well past his "has potential" point by now and has never once been better than Backlund. Were talking about one of the best defensive centers in the league here vs an at best 2nd line winger that has been heavily sheltered offensively and is not very good defensively</div></div>
I couldn't agree more. Backlund has been a pretty solid two-way center who averages around 40-45 points and around 20 goals per 82 games. Now, his contract - which runs until the end of the 23/24 season at $5.3 per - may one day become an issue. I doubt that the Flames trade him. DeBrusk, who is 24, hasn't been consistent enough offensively or defensively to warrent that risk from the Flames.
Please don't hate (there's FAR too much of that on this site), but in the absence of Krejčí, I would have though the Bruins would have been a bit more desperate for a second line center, and I am surprised about their confidence in Coyle and how he fairs next to Hall. Maybe Krejčí returns midseason, but I would frankly be surprised. Maybe Coyle works out, but with Marchand and Hall already ahead of him, DeBrusk is, at least at the moment, a third line left winger on this team with almost no chance of moving up. It's just reality. I know some see it differently. I'm excited to see the breakout that everyone's been mentioning would happen for the past 3 seasons.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CJets</b></div><div>Whoever ends up with the Coyotes from that list is gonna relocate in 15 years</div></div>
Maybe? The NHL, to the surprise of many (including myself), has been successful in many parts of the southern United States. I never thought I would live to see a team not only move to Las Vegas, but <strong>thrive</strong> there. They've also been successful in Anaheim, San Jose, Los Angeles, Dallas, Tampa Bay and Raleigh. And they were initially successful in Phoenix: their financial woes started once they arrived in Glendale. Yes, they missed on Atlanta, but to say that a city like San Antonio (which is currently a one sport city and a top 30 market in the United States and has a ready-made arean) or Houston (a top 5 market with a ready-made arena) isn't grasping the socio-economic realities of moving to one of those two locations. Finally, <strong>if</strong> the Coyotes move (this has become a rather silly conversation, as it's based on opinions and conjecture), it will come with an opportunity to grow and build the game, which is something the NHL loves. :)