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mm1010
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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 22 at 6:06 p.m.
Thread:
Taking potential buyouts
oilers will not give up a 1st to move kassian
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 6:59 p.m.
Thread:
ducks offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Yash97</b></div><div>if hes playing on the right team, hes a good goalie, remember him during the ducks cup run when the ducks were good? Gibson was also good</div></div>
yes that was also years ago..... i would be trading for the goalie he is today.... which as stats show he has been a below average goalie statistically for years. both in regular stats and advanced stats like expected sv%
I would rather keep my prospects and go for a husso, fluery, kuemper in FA
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 6:47 p.m.
Thread:
ducks offseason
oilers do not. Gibson is not worth that much anymore
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 6:42 p.m.
Thread:
what i want to happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>I think you've forgotten this guy has a neck issue which had a complete unknown outcome. People who have had the surgery have informed that it gets harder to play/live with time.
If you train people, you would understand that due diligence is a key component. If your going to sit there and suggest to me I'm not doing my job you'd want to ensure your doing yours.
so you don't think 9 years of a player is better than 4 years? Teams also had to fit the full cap of Eichel, Teams are getting a year to plan. Im sorry but there is far too much in CAT's value in comparison to Eichel. The debatable topic is the skill production but everything else in my humble opinion points to CAT having better value than a unhealthy disgruntled Eichel who BUF didn't want to pay 10m+ to sit on the sidelines.</div></div>
The only debate was which surgery he was getting the out come was quite well known both with extremely positive results.... Here some information for you showing a very low risk in acquiring Eichel which also refute you harder to live and play with....... Every team who had interest had numerous conversation with him and doctors as well to show that it was
https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack-eichels-neck-surgery-recovery
https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/artificial-disk-replacement#:~:text=%E2%80%A2A%20surgery%20that%20replaces,%E2%80%A2Involves%20spine%20surgery%2C%20neurosurgery
So as shown teams did their due diligence knew he would be ok and proceeded. so yes I have done my job and looked at the facts. This in no way decreased Eichel's value once those conversations were had.
there is no guarantee of 9 years if you look at the facts and look at current RFAs they sign shorter term deals so they can try to cash in twice look at Matthews, Marner, tkachuk so there is no guarentee of 9 years and his cap hit could be higher than eichels since the cap will be higher than when eichel signed his.
you are delusional to think CAT's Value is more than Eichel. I believe you can start go do a trade for them 1 for 1 and see who side most people on this site will be I would wager eichel has more value.
More skilled, has done more with less talent around him, and plays center all of those make him much more valuable.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 3:16 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>stephane_robidas</b></div><div>You cannot afford to re-sign Kane. If you do - it'll cost you Pool Party and Yamo. He's reportedly looking for a pay raise of 5-6 million</div></div>
great they will most likely give up JP that has already pretty much been said that Kane is a priority.
also alot depends on SJ arbitration as some have said he will not be allowed to make more that the 7 Million from his contract in SJ so for example if SJ has to pay him 50% so 3.5 millin.
his next contract can only be 3.5 mill to add to 7M together. This has been speculated from many reporters.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 3:14 p.m.
Thread:
Flip cap casualties for picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>python3504</b></div><div>i doubt that, but who knows, 4.5 for a guy who has to play bottom pair on a team with weak D. i cant see his value.</div></div>
well that what every analyst i have heard said. i know it hard to comprehend but if you look at history for Dmen who can put up 40-50 points a season and run your pp theres a market.
The fact he played 3rd pair ( if you look at edmonton they really have a bunch of second pairs TBH) and still put up points at 41 half 5 on 5 half on pp is impressive imagine what he could do with more ice time....
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:45 p.m.
Thread:
My Ideal Offseason
from what I have heard Holloway is untouchable broberg not far off
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:22 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>Trying to bring what kane brought without the price tag. Bob Stauffer was really hammering on anderson as a replacement for kane a few days ago.</div></div>
I think stauff is one of the worst hockey broadcasters out there. he knows his history and stories of the game but for providing insight in to the game today he is horrendous.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>D core is what cost it for edmonton.</div></div>
or they were simply beat by a better deeper team.... who was a true cup contender when most people thought the oilers season would be a success if they won 1 playoff round and were not true contenders....
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:17 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>Kassian's contract is a real **** to buy out in the second year.</div></div>
they still save 1.3 for a player they are probably replacing with an ELC deal
they also have much more room that offseason than this even after they sign deals this summer.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:13 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>The only thing here I would add or question is Barrie honestly see no reason to move. He's unreal option for the pp but he's also a veteran presence for the third pair which looking at next year's roster broberg and or niemelainen coming in full time ideally on the left side stronger side. Nice to have a veteran on the right. All the talk of needing someone stronger defending I question because the d core made the conference finals basically without nurse. I wouldng change anything on d for next year.</div></div>
only reason he will be moved is it iwll free up 4.5 mill in capspace and they can move bouch onto the powerplay.
If they were not in a cap crunch i could see them keeping him
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:11 p.m.
Thread:
Flip cap casualties for picks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>python3504</b></div><div>you also get 2 years at 4.5 per year of cap relief. Barrie is a bottom pair Dman and is paid to much you could replace him with anyone.</div></div>
yes he will be traded to a team that needs an offensive dman and PP quaterback for a postive value. this has been talked about by many analysts they will be able to get a 2nd or 3rd back.
they do not need to pay to dump him.
If it was kassian different story
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:09 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>Take out Allen and I would do that deal.</div></div>
why this trade does not make the oilers better and anderson is no worth that price at all. most people think he is a replacement for kane which he is no where close to. he is more like an upgrade on kassian.
actually their advanced stats over the last 3 years are almost identical. they play the same inconsistent game i will give you anderson has a slightly better offensive up side. but for 5 more years at 5.5M
I would rather keep our 1st and bourgault who looks like a stud. buy out kassian ( or find a trade to take his contract) and resign kane.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 2:03 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>stephane_robidas</b></div><div>Yeah some did - some didn't (Keith, Ceci, Barrie all on the same D corps/Smith and Koskinen didn't work.) Kane paid off, but they likely won't be able to keep him, Anderson provides a great replacement, three years younger and has term. Allen is a great 1B option, and you add a depth pick. You also dump Kassian in the process - for Bourgault and the...what? 29th overall pick?</div></div>
you obviously didnt watch the oilers at all. Ceci was a great signing for what her provided. Keith was steady most of the year and brought along bouchard which is why he was brought in. Barrie was there for the PP ( he will get moved this season but again filled the role he was supposed to) not sure you saw smith second half the year when he was healthy and had the best number of any goalie for the last month and ahalf..... he was also not the reason they lost to COL. KAne was a massive win. so like i said cleary didnt watch.
Anderson is a decent player but no way is he worth a 1st regardless of where it is and bourgault is looking like an absolute stud with his performance this year. the oilers will need cheap cost controlled players to keep building.
so like i said oiler laugh say good look with wright and tanking to get bedard click
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 1:52 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>stephane_robidas</b></div><div>Montreal laughs cause it's Ken Holland they're dealing with</div></div>
you do know his team got to the WCF and most of his bets paid off right?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 1:50 p.m.
Thread:
Flip cap casualties for picks
so oilers give up the best player and a 1st 3rd and 4th ....... hmmmmm
bold strategy lets see how long holland stays on the phone
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread:
Season opener lineup
no way oilers do this
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 1:46 p.m.
Thread:
Anderson
oilers laugh and hang up
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 1:07 p.m.
Thread:
still wont win the first round
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Preston_Mattesich</b></div><div>To make myself totally clear, Broberg has clear potential to be a good player. This is the cost to get Muzzin. Although there is clear risk, it could pay off big for Edmonton. Muzzin is a proven top 4 guy that Broberg may not be for years. Muzzin should also have at least 2-3 years good years left in the tank to help the Oilers get into the finals.</div></div>
so once again i will go back to why is TOR trading him then as they need defensive help as well.... why is he the right fit for edm but not TOR it doesnt make sense. and certainly not worth a young defensemen that could be top for by this year and under club control at a low cost for a few years....
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 12:11 p.m.
Thread:
what i want to happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>So you don't think a disgruntled player who publicly demands a trade has any impact either?
If a team is only qualifying CAT for his 1 year, they aren't the team that would be trading him. If it gets to extending discussions and a team doesn't give him a proper deal its on them, they are in the driving seat and have 2 years at worst to negotiate with all likelihood that it will happen this year.
The argument about eye test and stats can be debated back and fourth but the hinderance of health and publicly demanding trades loses a heck of a lot of leverage for any selling team and the buying teams know it.
In CAT's case there is no public demand and there are no health issues so you may think I have no clue about hockey but I understand basic business principles quite well and have handled many complex negotiations across a wide range of business.</div></div>
If he was just an average player yes probably has an effect but when you are in the superstar territory no effect at all all 31 one teams would line up to see what it would take. This does not drop his value at all. it probably increases cuz every single team would want that player creating a bidding war which tends to increase not decrease value.
Yes im not saying its not in team control but to say its a bargin you have a bargin for 1 year until you pay 9+ mill 2nd RFA year really doesnt matter so has no value in the trade.
As for negotiations I actually train people how to negotiate and I can tell you when a hot commodity is made public it drives prices up not down.... most people try to keep talks quite and between two parties for that reason. If you have negotiated for many business you should know this as well if you dont I would suggest you are not doing your job well.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 15 at 12:04 p.m.
Thread:
still wont win the first round
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Preston_Mattesich</b></div><div>im a fan of broberg and i think he has potential but when he did play he was bad. he couldn't control turnovers and was a disaster everywhere else in the d zone. the underlying stats for the games he played back it up, he ranked in the 19th percentile for WAR and the 30th percentile for EV Defense. to say he held the same value he did a year ago would just be wrong. my point is with keith is that holland is capable of making "win now" moves for veterans even when they are highly questionable.</div></div>
and to judge a rookie on a handful of games using just advanced stats is niave. anyone who actually watched the games will see he improved over the season and will be a full time impact player next season not someone you give up for a washed up veteran that even TOR doesn't want so why would the oilers
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 14 at 7:01 p.m.
Thread:
retool
lol just give us back our 2nd for barrie and we will call it a day
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 14 at 6:59 p.m.
Thread:
what i want to happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>No, Cat would be worth more in this case.
Healthy, not publicly pursuing a move away from the franchise and team control on his contract and cap situation.</div></div>
man you must have no clue about hockey.....
Healthy is your only valid argument.
Team control eichel still has 4 more years of team control Debrincate technically 2
contract 10 mill for eichel set debrincat discount this year but has a 9 M QO plus playing with mcdavid or dri that number will probably go up. so not really any bargin there...
not sure what publically moving away from franchise has anything to do with this?
Eichel over the last 3 years not only passes the eye test as a better player than DeBrincat his advanced stat also support that being much better than DeBrincat
eichel did this with less talented players than DeBrincat on annual basis
oh eichel also plays center which increases his value so all in all you have your health argument but if you think DeBrincat is worth more than eichel i suggest you take of your CHI glasses and watch other teams from time to time
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 14 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread:
what i want to happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Aussie_Blackhawk</b></div><div>a banged up Jack Eichel this past season.</div></div>
yes eichel and debrincat are = players?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 14 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread:
what i want to happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TampaBayLightning22</b></div><div>He just came off a 41 goal 37 assists 78 point season, Still has 2 years left to UFA, What do you think players like that cost?</div></div>
not 3 1st rounders please send me that last trade that included that?
yes he has 2 years left till UFA but also has a 9 million dollar QO coming next season.... have to ask your self if hes 24 just came off that season still under club control why are they trading him....
anyways I see a team giving up a 1st a 3rd a roster player every day roster player and a prospect like broberg.
so from edmonton you are probably looking at 1st 3rd barrie and broberg ( barrie you probably flip agian for a 2nd)
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