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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:21 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Its not relative to one player (or line), but to a whole team</div></div>

Exactly, guys like Jost/Nichushkin have low (and even negative) relative corsi despite having 57.4% and 61.8% CF% at even strength because they take more defensive matchups for their team and the team as a whole has good possession numbers. Meanwhile guys on DET (and former DET players) like Hronek and Mantha have high relative corsi even with only 50.1% and 49.6% CF% at even strength because they take more offensive minutes and the rest of their teammates have/had bad possesion numbers.

Makes no sense to make it relative to their team (especially when different teams have drastically different baseline averages that you are comparing to) instead of being relative to a replacement level player like other stats like WAR tries to do

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>so it does smooth out most of the situational noise. </div></div>

Thats the opposite of what it does. making it relative to the whole team exaggerates the effects of a certain player who takes significantly more offensive or defensive minutes relative to his teammates. It may average out for players who get balanced minutes relative to their teams, but for guys like Yandle who have crazy high oZS% relative to his team it makes a huge difference when you compare his CF% when on the ice to when hes off the ice when the team generally uses players like Gudas in those defensive situations more often.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>And all but 5 of these guys are on playoff teams, so 'top players on bad team' is not really fitting.</div></div>

Doesnt have to be a bad team, just "bad depth", or very unbalanced teams like EDM where there is a huge skill/usage difference between McDavid/Drai and their bottom 6. Obviously McDavid and Draisaitl are going to have high relative corsi numbers when you compare them to guys like Gaetan Haas and Zack Kassian. The effects of McDavid and Drai's possession is very exaggerated since it is being compared to a much lower standard than guys like Svechnikov who play on much deeper teams
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 12 at 2:29
Thread: LGRW
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