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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 31, 2018 at 10:06 a.m.
Thread:
Sharks
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLFAN27</b></div><div>It's tough for the Sharks they're past win now but can't fully rebuild.</div></div>
Why are they past "win now"? They came in third in the division, honestly could have defeated Vegas, and could have easily been in the conference final had MAF not been insanely good.
Because Brent Burns had a down year, and Thornton was hurt the Sharks are not going to be good? Not really sure what you're seeing.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 30, 2018 at 1:38 p.m.
Thread:
Sharks
I mean, in 2017-18, Labanc averaged a better point-per-game pace than Nino, and he is only in his second season..
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 30, 2018 at 1:37 p.m.
Thread:
Sharks
Niederreiter trade might work. They need to clear cap, and he is struggle to live up to his expectations. Not sure if I want him in SJ. He hasn't been all the good the last season or so.
Don't see the Kings dumping Martinez, and that deal doesn't seem fair for them if they retain salary. Roy has little value right now, as he is an injury-plagued prospect.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>Martinez would play with burns vlasic with braun and dillon with demelo</div></div>
More importantly. Couture and Thornton are not going to play on the same line..
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 25, 2018 at 11:49 a.m.
Thread:
Nashville Predators signed Dan Hamhuis (2 Years / $1,250,000 AAV)
Good thing he is on the third pair. He's 35 and probably can't play a full season in the top 4. Good for me. Probably got to Nashville because of the second year.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 25, 2018 at 8:41 a.m.
Thread:
The Fin Factor - Panarin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>goose191919</b></div><div>I agree. This isn't a super realistic trade, but I wanted to more focus on the actual roster player going (Hertl) and what Panarin would look like in the lineup. Picks and prospects were secondary but I do agree it will take more to get it done.</div></div>
Sure, that's fair. I think if it's Hertl + picks/prospects (although I don't really see them moving him), it would make sense.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:21 a.m.
Thread:
Panarin to SJS
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>icehawk2006</b></div><div>Josh Norris is not the Sharks best prospect. Merkley is the Sharks top prospect.</div></div>
Ryan Merkley doesn't have any value. He was basically only going to be drafted by San Jose or someone with too many picks...
I think you are on the right track, but I think you need to toss in some more. A second rounder or Balcers would probably even it out for me.
I think Panarin could resign with San Jose, but it won't get done before the trade. His gf wants to be close to a market where she can begin modeling. I have to imagine San Jose is close enough to LA to be in the conversation. Places that would be the front runners because of the modeling thing would be LA, ANA, NYR, NYI (jk), and NJD. I don't see him ending up in Anaheim or Jersey, so the likely thought is with the Kings (only if you move a good chunk of cap) or the Rangers (who aren't done with their "rebuild" yet).
Chicago might work, but money might be an issue.
Anyone who says he would fit in Toronto is a little nuts. You can't pay Tavares, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, AND Panarin. He would only fit for one year (this one), and they don't need offense. They need defense. I just don't see that happening.
Logically, there are only a few spots for Panarin. San Jose makes as much sense as anyone else, but you can't do the deal if you are afraid he would walk after one season. I doubt DW does the deal. He would much rather get a Jeff Skinner, who is a goo top 6 forward, but will actually sign an extension, and will be a little bit cheaper. Not as good as Panarin, but it would make more sense for the Sharks.
Ultimately, I see Panarin with the Rangers next year. The team with have a good amount of growth from the young kids, and they should be trending upwards.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:13 a.m.
Thread:
The Fin Factor - Panarin
I just think the Jackets will want more than that. The guy is a top 10 player in the league. He should command a lot. Add another prospect and at least a 3rd and I think you're in the ballpark.
If you look at what Columbus is rumored to get in a Toronto/Detroit/Columbus deal, this is basically nothing..
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 24, 2018 at 9:09 a.m.
Thread:
New York Islanders signed Brock Nelson (1 Year / $4,250,000 AAV)
Not a good deal. The guy should be closer to $3.800 mil. Don't know why you don't get a longer deal done...
Things are not going great on the Island. Vegas had three second lines last year and almost won the Cup. The Islanders have three fourth lines, and could be the worst team in the east.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 19, 2018 at 10:21 a.m.
Thread:
Trading Zucker for Callahan II
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>Awesome points and I agree with almost everything you said. The main reason for doing what I did is Wild owner Craig Leipold. He has stated vehemently that he will not allow a rebuild, but only a "tweak" or two. The other reason is Zach Parise and Ryan Suter...or their contracts to be more specific. It would be very difficult to do a true rebuild without trading both of them...but they have NMC/NTCs. Both chose to come to MN to be closer to home and family, so I don't see them allowing the Wild to move them. Besides, who is dumb enough to take on their contracts anyway?
I don't like the idea of trading either Coyle or Niederreiter, as you suggest. Both are coming off injury-plagued, down seasons and the Wild would be selling low. I'm not a fan of that. Zucker is the one to trade because he is going to get (IMO) more money and more term than he is worth coming off a career year. Zucker is a very good player and adds a lot...but, (again IMO) he is the type of piece a true contender adds, not a player to build around. This is why I think he would make a ton of sense in Tampa. They get a real player for Callahan's money and the Wild get 2 very nice prospects to build around for the future. It makes so much sense in my pea-sized brain that I can't believe it hasn't already happened...:D</div></div>
Agreed, but you can rebuild around those contracts. You can trade everyone else from the team. You have to hit the salary floor somehow, right?
I know the owner doesn't want a rebuild, but if you are in the middle of the pack, you options are to stay the course and continue to be mediocre, or tweak a lot more than one or two pieces and get significantly better.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2018 at 2:12 p.m.
Thread:
Trading Zucker for Callahan II
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>The Minnesota Wild have made the playoffs 6 years in a row...that's great...but, they have been mostly non-competitive in the post season those 6 years too. Basically, they are a franchise stuck in the mud because of loooong contracts to aging players. While taking on Callahan's contract is not ideal, if it ultimately gets two young, very good/great prospects for Zucker...I think it's worth it in the long haul. The Wild have enough forward depth to stay competitive without Zucker, so this is a trade designed for the long-term health of the Wild. The big picture here is the arrival of stud Wild prospect Kirill Kaprizov. By all accounts, he is going to be an absolute offensive juggernaut, but cannot cross the ocean for two more seasons because of his KHL contract. Both Callahan and Koivu will be off the books by then and the Wild will be a new look team because their other old players (Parise and Suter) will have smaller roles and the current 20-something players (Granlund, Dumba, Niederrieter, et al) will take over the roles they should already have. Also by then, Eriksson Ek, Greenway, Kunin, et al will be ready for larger roles and the prospects in this trade, along with others in the system will be NHL ready. They will then be a very talented, balanced team...ready to be legitimate Cup contenders.
That was a long-winded answer for: This is a step backwards for the Wild so they can ultimately take 2 steps forward in the near future.</div></div>
Okay, I agree with you, and I think that approach might happen soon for the Wild. And it would be better to begin that process sooner rather than later so they kids you talked about can be a part of the process. The Kunin's and the Eriksson Ek's.
But if you're going to go that route, why aren't you going to tear the whole thing down? Why hang on to Devan Dubnyk, who will probably not be an elite goaltender by that point? Why trade Zucker, who could be your veteran leader at that point, when you should really trade guys like Charlie Coyle, Nino Niederreiter, etc. who are they players who can't get the Wild over the hump in the playoffs?
I get that Zucker would get you a big return, but it's not like you couldn't trade Coyle for a decent return. Same with some other players.
You're 100% right they are caught in limbo, but you can't do what the Canadiens did and think you can just make one large move to fix the problem. Trading P.K. Subban didn't solve the problem. And it's gone downhill from there.
If you want to rebuild for the future, you need to do what the Sharks did. Or what the Blackhawks are trying to do. Shed off a lot of dead weight, and bring in younger players who fit the modern game, or bring in some veterans on modest deals.
The point is, trading Zucker isn't going to fix anything today, and the return you get for Zucker probably won't fix anything tomorrow either. If you're going to go down that route, it's time to trade away more than just Zucker.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 18, 2018 at 10:34 a.m.
Thread:
San Jose Sharks signed Chris Tierney (2 Years / $2,937,500 AAV)
I like it. As a Sharks fan, I was hoping for something in this neighborhood. He has grown significantly over the last couple of years, and I expect him to get better with more responsibility.
He is one of the best 3rd line centers in the league, and could be the #2 if Thornton struggles this year coming off knee surgery. He looked real good with Pavelski and Kane, and I think that could be an effective trio again this year.
I don't know if he is going to be a whole lot higher than the 40 points last year. Maybe somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 goals and 45 points is a good expectation, and that is a solid contract for roughly 40 points a season. I mean, Hertl got double that for basically similar offensive output..
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2018 at 9:33 a.m.
Thread:
Pacific All Star Team
I think you have fine players, but your lines don't make sense to me.
Gaudreau-McDavid-Draisaitl
Rakell-Kopitar-Marchessault
Kane-Couture-Pavelski
Tkachuk-Horvat-Carter
Extras: Monahan, (William Karlsson)
OEL-Doughty
Martinez-Burns
Lindholm-Klefbom
Extras: (Mark Giordano)
Fleury
Quick
That's what I would do personally.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2018 at 9:28 a.m.
Thread:
Trading Zucker for Callahan II
You trade a good offensive piece for an aging, injury-plagued depth forward who is way overpaid? Not seeing that... Even with some prospects coming back, and Cal Foote is NOT in play for any trade, not even Erik Karlsson.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 17, 2018 at 8:30 a.m.
Thread:
Montreal Canadiens signed Phillip Danault (3 Years / $3,083,333 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div>Well his injury was getting a puck in the head from a Chara slapshot....can’t really blame the guy lol and pro-rated his 25pts in 52games becomes 39pts, so i think he’s been a pretty consistent 40pts Center over the past 2 seasons.
However i do think his offensive game is a little overrated, but that his defensive game is hugely underrated. I’ll have to look it up, but i heard a lot of league wide defensive stats, he was top 10. One with him being 1st was successful stick checks.</div></div>
Oh, I completely agree. And I think he is a fine player. They just need him to play all the games, so he can be their best center. No saying it's his fault for getting injured...
Also, you can't pay a guy because he is good defensively. Everyone (especially fans) look at offense, and if you're handing a guy $3,000,000 a year, he better be able to score. You can find guys for half that that can be your defensive players. Save your big money for guys that will fill the net.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 17, 2018 at 8:27 a.m.
Thread:
Anaheim Ducks signed Adam Henrique (5 Years / $5,825,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Clubkid75</b></div><div>He’s making only $150,000 less a year than Mark Scheifele who is a million times better than Henrique lmao!!!!</div></div>
But is that on Scheifele or Henrique? Henrique got a good deal IMO. He's a 40-50 point guy, and no one would be complaining about this if he was definitely your 2C (meaning no Kesler on the books).
Scheifele, on the other hand, got a bad deal because he signed after a 60 point season, and then got a lot better in terms of stats. Had he done a bridge deal, he would be looking for a new deal this summer, and would likely get over $8.00 mil.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 17, 2018 at 8:22 a.m.
Thread:
Nashville Predators signed Juuse Saros (3 Years / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AwesomeMatthews</b></div><div>if he's the starter next year holy **** nashvilles got the biggest bargain in the nhl</div></div>
Wouldn't that be one of the smallest bargains? He's 5'11" replacing a guy who is 6'5". Lol.
Good deal. Surprised at term. A one or two year deal makes sense because after this season, he is likely the guy. He will now have two years of being the league's least paid starter, and then will get paid.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 16, 2018 at 12:55 p.m.
Thread:
Montreal Canadiens signed Phillip Danault (3 Years / $3,083,333 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EthanK24</b></div><div>Great signing. Danault is a great player and the AAV is fairly cheap for what he does. I would have rather him be signed for 1 or 2 more years, but I get that Danault would want to prove himself and make more on his next deal. Love it anyhow. I'm very glad we have him and Romanov over Fleischmann and Weise.</div></div>
I'm a little bit confused why we are calling him a great player? The kid has 75 points in 187 games. He's played basically three full season in the NHL, and scored 40 points in his only healthy season. Good player. A player I really like, and I saw him come into the AHL. Not great.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 16, 2018 at 8:36 a.m.
Thread:
Montreal Canadiens signed Phillip Danault (3 Years / $3,083,333 AAV)
Play like Marcus Kruger, they said. Be Marcus Kruger's replacement, they said. Be traded so they can keep Marcus Kruger, they said. Get the SAME contract as Marcus Kruger, they said.
So weird...
Decent deal. He should be a 3c, but will likely be the #2 this year. He need to be more like the 40 point guy than the injured 25 point guy for this team.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:14 p.m.
Thread:
Can the sharks get Seguin?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slepler</b></div><div>I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...
And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.
Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .
(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)</div></div>
The Stars have also signed 15 players since June 22nd. They have been busy. While you want your elite center under contract for next season, there is time for that to wait a little bit while the Shore (see what I did there?! haha) up the team for this year. They have three RFAs to go, and then they're done for 2018-19. I imagine we are going to hear a lot about a Seguin contract in August.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:07 p.m.
Thread:
Can the sharks get Seguin?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slepler</b></div><div>I goofed! I meant to put williams on the wing with the Joes. Just forgot to move him. As for the reasoning there, Williams is "Mr. Game 7." Proven cup winner on a roster with ZERO cup winners (jones, but he didnt play). They also lose depth at forward without labanc and Tierney. Williams is still a very good player, but for me its about veteran leadership, who steps up in key moments, and brings a cup winning knowledge. Think of it a little like Orpik on Washington. Hes not gunna play the lead role, but his experience and leadership are invaluable. Orpik, like williams is one of just a handful of players to win cups with multiple teams. That's what I want...
And as I mentioned elsewhere, Dallas absolutely does not intend to deal seguin. BUT, if they suck this year: If their division sees the preds and jets dominate and STL much improved and colorado continue their youth run, and chicago still has kane-toews-keith-seabrook etc and are likely to have a better showing, then dallas becomes the odd man out. I would not be surprised, at all, to see dallas dead last in the division. They have only 3 top scorers and that includes radulov who had the best year of his career, which is unlikely to happen again at 32 years old. Their top second liner (4th highest forward) had just 34 pts. Their D is quite mediocre after klingberg and maybe lindell.
Simply put, While seguin loves dallas and is not like tavares, he also did not sign his extension yet and playing for a bad team is not fun, and Dallas has a very real chance of being a bad team at this moment .
(of course a karlsson trade could be interesting there. but then again that would require dallas to pay well over 30M to just three players in Benn, Seguin, and karlsson.)</div></div>
I just think you can get his production on the market for cheaper. I just don't see that trade being a good fit with the Sharks. Williams is slow, and he is getting older. They need youth and speed.
Key word there is yet. He has a full year to sign a deal before he would hit the open market. If there isn't something done by October, we can talk. If there isn't something done by Christmas, we can speculate where he could be traded to. If there isn't something done by the draft, we can predict where he might sign next year. That's my only point.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:05 p.m.
Thread:
Sharks future w/ seguin?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slepler</b></div><div>Good post!
At the time of the dal-bos trade, seguin was just a kid, which means:
1. hes very cheap (as opposed to next year where he'll be deep in 8 figures).
2. Boston did not HAVE to move him (as opposed to dallas at the deadline if they suck and he's not resigned yet. too risky to repeat a tavares...)
3. Seguin did already have a pretty strong season: he had a 29g, 67 pt +34 season. He was already pretty studly, and in truth, I think dallas thought hed be closer to 90-100 pt player when they got him. I actually think his 70-80 pts is lower than dallas had expected or hoped for.
And as for the price you mentioned, dougie would do it. hed add the 3rd. Hed give up the 2020 1st (the 2019 one is already gone). Hed happily throw in demelo or even ryan (who looks like a legit Dman). Heed is a to-be-ufa so dallas wouldnt want him. Hed happily throw in half the farm to add a seguin at age 27 for a decade.</div></div>
I agree. I think Dallas isn't trading him though. DW would certainly do that deal, and would certainly pony up the money for him.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 13, 2018 at 4:03 p.m.
Thread:
Vegas Golden Knights signed Marc-André Fleury (3 Years / $7,000,000 AAV)
I like it. He's a three time Cup winner, and a top ten goalie for sure. You can make the case he will regress next season from his insane first year in Vegas, but this is still a good deal.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 13, 2018 at 3:20 p.m.
Thread:
Montreal Canadiens signed Joel Armia (1 Year / $1,850,000 AAV)
Good value for the team. He's new, so I'm not surprised he only got a year. Next year will be the long term deal if he fits well with the team.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 12, 2018 at 1:58 p.m.
Thread:
Pacioretty
So the rumor around the draft was Hertl, a second, and Tierney. So your trade probably doesn't have enough value. Hertl is a second line winger, and Roy is an injury-riddled prospect.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>willowkink</b></div><div>Sanjose will never give up roy so nive try</div></div>
Why? In three season since being drafted, Roy has played 55 games in the QMJHL over two seasons where he had serious injuries and 20 games in the AHL, where he again battled injuries. I like the kid, but at this point, there isn't much to say he will even play a game in the NHL. He lost two seasons of development, and might not recover from that.
And because of that, he probably doesn't have a lot of trade value anyways...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 12, 2018 at 1:53 p.m.
Thread:
Can the sharks get Seguin?
Why are trading away a second round pick and a good defensive prospect (at least at one time before he became made of glass) for a aged, slow winger you have OUT of the lineup?
That trade confuses me.
The Seguin trade is good value. I'll say this, like I said on another roster that has Seguin, he likely isn't leaving Dallas because he loves it there. And the Stars probably won't trade him anyways, because they need him to make the playoffs (much like the Islanders, but they have a goalie).
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