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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2021 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread: Oil 21 Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You realize that McLeod was the center on that line, right? It speaks volumes that when Tippett decided to load up the top line, it was McLeod, not Nuge, who got the 2C gig. I wouldn't be surprised if the Oilers don't re-sign him - there are better wingers available this summer for less than what Nuge is asking for.</div></div>

Yes, as I've outlined above, I personally feel that RNH played himself out of being worth of a contract extension from the Oilers; I've also noted that he's more valuable to the Oilers as a winger rather than a centre (vs. other teams who will likely see him as a 2nd line centre). I also do believe that McLeod is going to be a great 3rd line centre with potential to be a 2nd line at some point. While Nuge, McLeod and Kassian played well together, Nuge and McLeod actually took turns at centre (McLeod has only played centre so he's sometimes a liability on wing while RNH is a responsible player in both positions). Specifically, once the Jets tied and the game moved to Overtime, McLeod sat and watched from the bench the entire time while RNH was deployed as the second centre. Taking that into consideration, I would not agree that Tippett preferred McLeod over RNH at the centre position, rather, he was experimenting with what worked as secondary scoring to allow him to keep McDaddy and Drai together.

All of that said, I do believe McLeod has a promising centre and 100% believe that he will be the third line centre at some point during the 2021-22 season. To help him get acclimated, he should continue to be deployed with RNH and they can continue to swap out at centre. Once he's proving to be able to handle 3C full time, move RNH back to the wing with Drai.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 28, 2021 at 1:52 p.m.
Thread: Oil 21 Thoughts
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nbw_r3ap3r</b></div><div>Personally I never wanna see Haas again, but this idea has some power to it. I'd keep nuge on the 2nd and mold Mcleod into that 3C but the key thing that we are missing is shore and ennis in the lineup look how much they helped in game 3-4 Ik bensons a prospect but I'd play him 9 games and then put ennis or shore in if not both.</div></div>

I 100% agree with your thoughts on Ennis and Shore. For the sake of my post, they've been scratched, but could be swapped in for Benson and/or Haas.

Why keep Benson for only 9 games? That doesn't save a year of his contract? I may be missing something here... Also, I'm pretty sure he'd be waiver eligible so we would lose him if we sent him down (I may be wrong with this though).
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26, 2021 at 2:07 p.m.
Thread: Maybe next year
Anderson isn’t worth $5MM, nor is he a goalie that the Oilers should be overly thrilled about… there’s probably a better option out there that can be acquired via cheap trade or spend less money on a better FA goalie.

Big fan of Hyman on the top line.

Broberg won’t play in the NHL next year; Holland will make him play a full year in the AHL.

Jones is probably going to go to Seattle.

I’m a big fan of Hamilton… but it doesn’t make sense to have him, Bear and Bouchard. While he’s the best of the three… he’s also incredibly expensive, older, and not great defensively. I’d rather keep Larsson and the money to reinvest elsewhere. Bear and Bouchard, while not as good as Hamilton, will contribute sufficiently to offense to make Hamilton an unnecessary signing.

RNH? I personally think he played himself out of being worthy of an extension, but he’s a big part of the dressing room, a fan favourite, and a better option than McGinn.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: Hall and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I don't think Hamilton is a sure thing and he's never been an elite defender, nor is he an elite puck mover. His calling card is offense but the Oilers have Barrie (who will be millions cheaper) and some young guys (Bear, Bouchard) who can fill in the offensive gaps. If they don't re-sign Larsson they'll need a guy who can defend at a high level, and Hamilton isn't that guy.

As I said, I have no problem with them signing Hamilton this summer, but not to a long-term deal. Hall too. He's fallen off a cliff the past couple of years, will be 30 next fall and you want to give him a $7M 5-year deal? That's not a smart move at all.</div></div>

Hamilton not elite? My man, you need to look into some advanced stats on all of these players before making claims like that. Hamilton is ,quite literally, one of the best defensmen in the league. He is, literally, elite ad defending and moving the puck. He will, at least, command a similar contract to Pietrangelo.

With regards to Hall, I’ve already agreed numerous times that there are other options available for lesser $$ and term.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 1:36 p.m.
Thread: Hall and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>I wouldn't mind Hall or Hamilton but I probably wouldn't sign either to term as they aren't what the team needs at all. A guy like Seth Jones (UFA 2022) is FAR more enticing than Hamilton IMO. Personally I think they'll resign either Larsson or Barrie to a short-term deal and pursue a Jones / Parayko type the following summer.

There are tons of better forwards than Hall slated to become UFA's in 2022 as well, so there's no reason to give Hall term. Or $7M, the way he's been playing.</div></div>

I disagree about Hall and Hamilton not being what the Oilers need now. With McDavid and Draisaitl now well I to their careers and primes, the Oilers should be looking at “win now”, or “win within a year or two” type signings.

That said, I do agree that there are potentially other UFA LW’s this summer, Hamilton is without a doubt the top d-man. What I’m trying to get at with head moves is that the Oilers need to make top tier signings that help them win within the next few years; not things that buy them one more year, or building up prospects. By the time that strategy pays its benefits, the McDaddy and Drai will be nearing the end of their current contracts (a scary thought for Oilers Fans).

PS. Seth Jones has been quite literally awful over the last few years. His advanced stats are completely underwhelming and suggest he’s a top-6 (top-4 at the highest) d-man. Don’t get me wrong though, I’ve always thought he was good, but I don’t ever watch him play, and the advanced stats speak for themselves. I don’t think Edmonton should be taking bets anymore; rather, pursue a sure thing (i.e. Hamilton).
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 1:16 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 1:11 p.m.
Thread: Hall and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DONTGIVEAPUCK13</b></div><div>IMO Hall wants to be a driver and I dont think he fits with McDavid in that position. Someone like Hyman (who has 10 goals vs Ovi 11) brings an element to that ine and has proven success with elite players. Could look at Hoffman or Saad as well but they have less goals this year as well.

Secondly you lose some key pices next with these signings: Bear, Nurse, Elvis... all need new contracts at higher cap hits and the cap probably stays flat</div></div>

I love the idea of Hoffman playing with McDavid as well. For whatever reason, I just can’t buy into the Hyman hype, though he definitely has been if playing unreal. So yes, someone at lesser $$ and term than Hall makes sense.

For the following season, if Kelf is healthy, I think you look into cashing in on a trade. Frees up $4.17MM and could likely steal a 1st rounder for him. At that point, I’m assuming Broberg will be ready for top-4 (at least top-6) minutes. And as proven this year, the Oilers can survive without Klefbom.

I’d also suggest that by the beginning of the 22/23 season, Holland will realize that it’s time to move on from Kassian and could look to dump him in some trade or buy him out.

Between these two moves, plus the already $22.0MM available, the Oilers would be looking at close to $30.0MM in cap space. To your point, it’s a flat cap, so the players will be feeling it too and won’t be able to demand huge pay raises either. I suspect the Oilers could likely sign all of those players and then some with $30.0MM.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 12:51 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 12:48 p.m.
Thread: Hall and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DONTGIVEAPUCK13</b></div><div>Why are Oiler fans so infatuated with Hall? What has he done with Eichel.

Also who are you resigning next year?</div></div>

I get where you’re coming from with this comment. It seems there’s been some strong desire to get Hall back to Edmonton ever since he left. In all honesty, my suggestion of signing Hall strictly comes from:

- he’s one of the best left wingers in UFA this summer, and the Oilers need a bonafied top-6 left winger to truly round out their top two lines.
- given the ties and friendships to the existing Oilers core, maybe we could snag him on a longer term deal at a bit of a discount
- he’s outlined in past interviews that he has “unfinished business” with Edmonton. Maybe that further inspires him to actually sign with the Oilers? Or maybe he just wants to murder Chiarelli...? Lol

A top-6 left wing doesn’t need to be Hall, I just figured for the above reasons, it could potentially make sense.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 17, 2021 at 12:42 p.m.
Thread: Hall and Hamilton
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafs_fan13</b></div><div>there’s zero incentive for seattle to do that.</div></div>

<em>Zero</em> incentive?

Neal is a serviceable NHL player and only has two years left. Seattle won’t be able to pull off the same success as Vegas did and likely won’t be competitive for at least two+ years. Their focus is going to be on building up a pipeline of prospects. They’ll also likely need some hefty short term contracts to help hit the salary floor... Neal is an NHL player who helps them get to the salary floor and bridges them for two years when he can be replaced by prospects. Finally, a mid-first round pick is a damn good incentive to take on Neal, who, like I explained, helps them already achieve some of their other goals. I wouldn’t say that’s <em>zero</em> incentive.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 30, 2020 at 2:29 p.m.
Thread: Best Lines they can make
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>I have watched Kassian and the Oilers quite a lot actually. IMO though Ennis is a much better player to have alongside McDavid than Kassian is. I have heard that Kahun will play with Drai, so I figured Nuge would be with McDavid. I agree though that Nuge-Drai-Yama was the best line in hockey last season, I'd like to see them together again. Barrie won't be a 3rd pair D man, he needs top 4 time. Nurse-Bear pairing was good but too many mistakes, that's why I give Nurse and pretty steady guy like Larsson and put Bear with the surprisingly consistent and composed Jones</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>- Ennis is a LW, Kassian is a RW. It's not an Either/Or situation, as I mentioned above. Ennis is competing with Kahun and Nugent-Hopkins for a top-6 LW spot.
- Probably Kahun will start TC with Draisaitl, but having them together is not a given.
- Barrie needs sheltered / offensive minutes, he can't handle Elite competition. Every NHL coach knows this. Playing bottom pairing doesn't necessarily reflect on his overall minutes.
- Nurse-Larsson was tried and it didn't work. Nurse-Bear worked very well in the second half of the year... 1st pairing is hard and its unreasonable to expect a rookie to excel in those minutes right away. Look at their results from January 1st onwards and you'll see what I mean. Tippett won't split them.</div></div>



These lines offer the best mix of players, and top-6 mix is the closest you can get to being supported by historical performance and stats:

Kahun/Ennis-McDaddy-Kassian
RNH-Drai-Yamo
Ennis/Kahun-Turris-PoolParty
Neal-JJ-Chaisson/Archie

Nurse-Bear
Jones/Russell-Larson
Russell/Jones-Barrie

I’d prefer to put Jones and Barrie out together in offensive zone starts, and Larson and Russell out for defensive zone starts.

Barrie is your PP quarterback so his even strength minutes/pairings is almost irrelevant as the top PP will get 75% of all penalty time; so his overall TOI will be reflective of top-4 mins. This also allows your best defensemen (Nurse-Bear) to play the most even strength minutes which exactly what you want.

With regards to your top line... Kahun is a better player than Ennis so I suspect Ennis is will pair up with PoolParty on your third line. It works out well as Kahun has the better shot. McDaddy is a puck possession player, and Kassian is your responsible defensive presence and big body in the o-zone allowing McDaddy to control play when he has the puck, and Let’s Kahun use his offensive mindset to position himself for high danger scoring chances. Ennis is also a possession player, so he will pair well with Poolparty who will be the trigger man on the third line. The long term plan here is to have PoolParty turn into a better Partner for McDaddy than Kassian is (PoolParty has similar qualities as Kassian in that he’s defensively responsible, and a big body, albeit doesn’t use his big frame to his advantage and throw himself around yet).
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 4, 2020 at 12:29 p.m.
Thread: Kahun follows EDM on insta
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newmy</b></div><div>Who’s taking them? The argument against any team taking Kassian or Chaisson is that they could just go out and get Kahun for less or equal money. Why would they take on the salary from players that aren’t as good when they can just pick up a player from free agency for cheaper?

Or - the Oilers have to give up more assets just to dump Kassian and Chaisson... is Kahun really worth dumping either player plus the extra assets? Depends on what’s required.

Or (and likely the case if the Oilers do trade either player) - if the Oilers do trade either player, they’re bringing salary back in which puts us back to square one if not being able to afford Kahun until Klefbom is on LTIR.</div></div>

Or... option which no one saw coming... we keep all the players and sign Kahun for pennies... who would have thought!

Well played Holland, well played.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 20, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
Thread: Kahun follows EDM on insta
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ConnorMcJesus</b></div><div>Unless they move out someone like kassian or chaisson</div></div>

Who’s taking them? The argument against any team taking Kassian or Chaisson is that they could just go out and get Kahun for less or equal money. Why would they take on the salary from players that aren’t as good when they can just pick up a player from free agency for cheaper?

Or - the Oilers have to give up more assets just to dump Kassian and Chaisson... is Kahun really worth dumping either player plus the extra assets? Depends on what’s required.

Or (and likely the case if the Oilers do trade either player) - if the Oilers do trade either player, they’re bringing salary back in which puts us back to square one if not being able to afford Kahun until Klefbom is on LTIR.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 14, 2020 at 5:44 p.m.
Thread: Dump Chaisson sign Duclair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Opie</b></div><div>Agree, but he won't be able to find any money out there. Same issue for dumping Chaisson. Outside of 4 or 5 teams, no one has enough space to take anyone else (after signing all their RFAs and filling open roster spots) ... no more chairs left for Salary Dumps and mid tier wingers.

Duclair may be looking at a worse contract than he was previously offered by Sens imo.</div></div>


Chaisson is on an affordable contract. I’d be surprised if OTT or Detroit or another rebuilding team with low salary wouldn’t be willing to take him. It’s a one year deal and whoever grabs him could flip him for another asset at the deadline.

I digress though. Main point of my post is the idea of Duclair playing with McDavid and what people’s thoughts were. Don’t get caught up in the weeds.