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Armchair-GM
Jul. 27, 2021 at 8:50 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
The "Fleury traded to the Blackhawks" part I got right.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 16, 2021 at 7:10 p.m.
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Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stan_Bowman</b></div><div>I don't want Taylor Hall, and I think Boston locks him up for 6x6.</div></div>
Agreed! Taylor Hall has had 3 pretty bad offensive seasons in a row now. He demanded the trade from Buffalo to Boston with his NMC because he's expecting an 8 year deal. Boston pursued him for a while in the offseason but didn't have the cap space to do it.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 16, 2021 at 6:07 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MapleLeafsfan2003</b></div><div>3rd for Malcom Subban</div></div>
If the Leafs do what they supposed to in the post season this year, their 2nd round pick will be near the end of the 2nd round and almost a 3rd round pick anyway. Plus, they don't have a 3rd round pick to trade for the next couple seasons.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 16, 2021 at 6:06 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DJSums17</b></div><div>Flower is still good why are they giving up a 1st to get rid of him?
Subban is not worth a 3rd. Especially for Toronto who doesn't need him.</div></div>
Vegas has played games with 5 defensemen or 10 forwards for games this season because so they're so cap strapped. They've made it work, not great, for a shorterned season. As I said in an earlier reply, they need to dump salary to have a more flexible roster next season. They can't play a full NHL regular season that includes a 2 week break for the Winter Olympics where some of their players will play 2 hard weeks of hockey and expect to continue to win games. They're going to wear their players out. They wouldn't dump Fleury because they want to but because they're committed to Lehner long term and a cheap backup goalie for Lehner makes sense with the flat cap for the next 2-5 seasons. If I'm a GM, I'm not taking on Fleury's salary - even with him playing like he is - without Vegas giving me a 1st round pick too. That's going to be the new reality for a flat cap that could last 5 seasons (per Elliotte Friedman) - cap space is going to be traded with high draft picks and top prospects like never before. A good GM with cap space has all the leverage and should hold it like a kidnapper waiting for a ransom payment.
The Leafs have Campbell and Hutchinson signed for next season. If Hutchinson is such a good goalie, why isn't he their back up right now? They're going to roll all of next season with Campbell and Hutchinson?
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 15, 2021 at 11:02 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Riley816</b></div><div>
Seattle, imo, takes young players and stays as close to the expansion draft floor, ~49 mil, and fills the top with ufas. Borgstrom or Stillman would be the choice. Brett Connolly types will be there from every team.
Take a chance and trading a 2nd rd pick are two different things. Toronto has Hutchinson and backup goalies will be plentiful.
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I'm definitely shooting for the moon with the trade hopes. Subban is a former 1st round pick and decent back up option that'll land a quality pick or prospect. It might not be with Toronto and Fleury is a high hope that requires Subban be moved off the roster. Toronto's pick will likely be very late in the 2nd round so I don't think it's completely out of the realm of possibility for a low 2nd round/high 3rd round scenario.
In the expansion draft, I'm fairly confident the Hawks will protect Toews, Kane, DeBrincat, Strome, Hagel, Nylander, and Borgstrom at forward and Keith, Murphy, and Zadorov at defenseman. Borgstrom was the main piece of Connolly/Stillman trade for the Hawks so they're fine with losing one of the other 2. If the Hawks don't make any moves, Seattle will have a choice of Kampf, Carpenter, Gaudette at forward, de Haan or Stillman at defenseman, and Delia or Subban at goaltender. So, yes, Stillman could be the pick but I suspect otherwise. I think their roster will have more of a veteran look because Seattle is going to be expected to win in their first season and go to the playoffs like Vegas did or they're a failure.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 15, 2021 at 10:35 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SevenLeg</b></div><div>I 100% get your points, but all the players they could realistically trade for cap space have value, even if it could be decreased due to the cap situation. They <strong>could</strong> sell Fleury for less than what he's worth, but they still won't give up anything to get rid of him.</div></div>
If an NHL GM isn't asking for a draft pick along with a salary cap move for a veteran like Fleury in his late 30s, even though he's been performing great (and realistically could fall off a cliff next year at 37), they're not doing their job right because GMs are going to be stuck against for a flat cap for at least 2-3 more seasons and it might be 4 or 5 years. GMs with cap space hold the leverage, not the other way around. I know this has been true to a degree before but the flat cap era is going to be much different and cap space will be golden, knight.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 15, 2021 at 10:26 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>arafay</b></div><div>A first to lose fleury? He’s worth a first at this rate.
A first for zadorov? Zadorov is good but you will be lucky to get much more than a 2nd for him lol</div></div>
See Fleury answer above. I think the Blackhawks were asking for a 1st round pick for Zadorov and didn't trade him because they didn't get it. Negotiations have started with Zadorov wanting $4m a season and he's not going to get that from the Hawks and they're not going to let him go to arbitration in case he gets awarded something at $4m or greater. Zadorov will be traded and I think they aim for a 1st or a 2nd and a prospect.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 15, 2021 at 10:22 p.m.
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2021-22 Blackhawks with Flower and Loui
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SevenLeg</b></div><div>Fleury, after the season he's having, is not a 1st-round-pick caliber dump.</div></div>
Yes, Fleury is having a great season. The issue the Golden Knights are going to have is the salary cap and a need for roster flexibility. They've been playing with a shortened roster for a lot of this season. They're not going to be able to do that in a full regular season with a Winter Olympics break for 2 weeks of hard played hockey smashed in the middle. They'll need roster flexibility next year with cheaper players and it'll come at a premium because the only significant contracts they have coming off the books are Alex Martinez at $4m and Tomas Nosek at $1.25m and they'll want to resign Martinez probably. Cody Glass probably takes one of the forward spots along with a couple other ELC forwards.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 15, 2021 at 8:38 p.m.
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Next year with draft day trade
I like a lot of this but with some changes. I'm going to build my version over the next few minutes.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 10:54 p.m.
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Nnnn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stan_Bowman</b></div><div>Maybe they take carpenter then? TBH I think they see more upside in Carlson.</div></div>
I think they might take Carlsson or Carpenter too. De Haan will probably be the best option available but he's an UFA after 1 season with a $4.55m cap hit that they might prefer to use in free agency. They could take Carlsson and control his rights for at least a couple more seasons after signing an RFA deal. Carpenter filled out the Vegas Golden Knights' bottom 6 on their Stanley Cup Final run and Seattle could see a similar role for him on the Kraken. He also would be a low risk selection or someone they could sign to an extension immediately or in season on a value contract.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 10:35 p.m.
Thread:
Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>They can trade Leddy or varlamov. They’re fine</div></div>
Do you know what the Blackhawks had to give up to be cap compliant in years when they were stuck and had to make a trade and all the other teams knew it? It's going to be painful. Prepare yourself.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 10:26 p.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>You are straight up delusional. Wahlstrom has been our best player over the last month. Better than barzal. Is a GM doing his job right if he trades his best player mid season to dump a contract ?</div></div>
No, a GM is doing their job right if they acquire 2 veteran players like Carl Soderberg and Mattias Janmark from the Blackhawks on expiring contracts with similar production to Anders Lee and Oliver Wahlstrom while also dumping a very bad contract (Andrew Ladd) so that he can make another deadline deal to acquire other players on expiring contracts like Eric Staal and/or Taylor Hall from Buffalo or Kyle Palmieri from New Jersey to fill out 4 deep lines. Also, consider this, Soderberg (5G, 7A) and Janmark (10G, 8A) currently have better stats this season than Staal (3G, 7A) and Hall (2G, 14A) respectively and Janmark has better stats than Palmieri. Janmark has scored on all 4 lines at even strength, scored on the power play, had primary assists on the power play, and scored shorthanded on the penalty kill and went to the Stanley Cup Final with Dallas last year.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 10:09 p.m.
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Chicago falls out but its worth it
I would love for this all to happen. Owen Power is what the young Blackhawks defense corps needs, a true number one like Hedman. If they don't land Power, hopefully, a combo of Regula and Vlasic will fill the big boy defender bill.
There's absolutely no way they're going to be able to trade Seabrook's contract without giving up a major young piece like Dach. When Seabs announced his playing career was over, Lazarus and Powers from The Athletic inquired with a source about what it would cost the Blackhawks for Seattle to take on the Seabrook contract and the quote was something like, "An opening offer from the Blackhawks of Dach and DeBrincat would be the starting point." Plus, they'd have to add some picks. No team is taking on bad money without huge compensation with the flat cap.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 9:45 p.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>They can put lee on LTIR, they don't need to trade Ladd's contract.</div></div>
They can't put Lee on LTIR next season when he's recovered from his injury but they still need to get under the salary cap that isn't going to increase for a couple more years. They're going to have to trade Ladd's contract or another player making similar money eventually.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 20, 2021 at 9:42 p.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ThomasChaney</b></div><div>See that is true about Tervainen but I’m thinking about how we don’t have any other great forward prospects and with the way Wahly is playing he is going to be on the second maybe even first line within the next two years</div></div>
The Hurricanes top line this season before Teravainen was injured was: Andrei Svechnikov - Sebastian Aho - Teuvo Teravainen. When the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup in 2015, Teuvo was playing on the 3rd line with Antoine Vermette because the Hawks were that deep with a Top 6 of: Saad-Toews-Hossa and Sharp-Richards-Kane. When Saad was traded to Columbus, Teuvo moved to the top line with Toews and Hossa and the 2nd line became Panarin-Anisimov-Kane because Panarin was signed and Anisimov was acquired in the Saad trade.
My point is Teravainen is exactly comparable to Wahlstrom down to their middle of the 1st round draft position. Blackhawks fans hate that he isn't on the Hawks but would rather have 3 Stanley Cups to show for it.
Also, the Blackhawks didn't have elite forward prospects when they were chasing Cups either because they drafted mostly defensemen, traded away their 1st round picks, or traded away their elite forward prospects to be cap compliant. If your team isn't sacrificing its future to win the Stanley Cup now, your GM isn't doing his job right because that's what it takes to win. It's the only way any team is going to beat the Lightning. There is no "we need this guy for the future" when you're competing for the Cup. That's something that teams who are going to let their Cup window slip by do.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2021 at 8:32 p.m.
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Skinner
I don't even want Skinner for $4.5m a season. 6+ seasons is just way too long for a player who, by all indications, peaked and is on the decline. The Hawks only have to deal with Seabs contract for 3+ seasons. I'd trade Seabs deal to the Isles for Ladd's deal at 2+ years and retain some salary to save a year of paying Seabs.
I don't think the Hawks should take anything that lengthens their LTIR though. In 3+ seasons (after 2023-24), they'll be set to completely rebuild and potentially sign some big UFAs to go with the RFAs that they've determined to be their new core. That's probably the first year that the cap will increase again AND it's the first UFA year for both Auston Matthews and Sebastian Aho who will both be only 26 years old. I suspect they'll both test the free agent market. If Patrick Kane can be convinced to come back at say 6 years for $6m a season after his current deal. I think Auston Matthews wants to play with Kane. Can you imagine a Top 6 that includes Matthews, Kane, DeBrincat, Dach, and Reichel? William Nylander will be a UFA at 28 and Teuvo Tervainen will be too at 29 years old. There will also be veteran UFAs like Kopitar and Stamkos who could be signed for 1 year "Go for the Cup" deals. We'll see if Toews comes back to play - he could be a damn good 3rd line center.
With the short term high dollar contracts that some young players have signed to forego bridge deals, that 2024-25 season may be the season when the NHL becomes a little like the NBA and super teams form with superstars each taking a little less to fit under the cap and win some Cups on like short term 2-3 year deals. Drew Commesso will be 22 years old and possibly ready to try the NHL on an ELC in net. The Blackhawks young defense corps will be seasoned by then. They may also have one or both of the big boy defensive prospects that season - Alec Regula (6'4") and Alex Vlasic (6'6") will be 24 and 23 years old.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2021 at 1:48 a.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ThomasChaney</b></div><div>I think Wahly is overkill</div></div>
Consider this: In the 2016 off season, while the Blackhawks were still a playoff team that hoped to compete for the Stanley Cup, they traded Teuvo Tervainen, a middle 1st round draft pick like Oliver Wahlstrom, to the Hurricanes on his ELC to just get rid of 1 year of Brian Bickell's $4m contract. Meanwhile, Ladd has 2 years left at $5.5m after this season on his contract. There's no way a team with cap space is taking on bad contracts in the next 3 years of the flat salary cap era without being handsomely rewarded for it with elite prospects and 1st round picks. The flexibility of cap space at this time is very valuable and in limited supply.
If you're a team in your Stanley Cup window, you trade away 1st round draft picks and elite prospects to acquire veteran depth and Top 6 Forward talent and Top 4 Defenseman talent to go for the Cup. The Blackhawks traded a 1st round draft pick to the Jets at the deadline to get Ladd for a playoff run before he signed his contract with the Islanders. The Blackhawks traded their young center prospect Phillip Danault to the Canadiens for 2 veteran Bottom 6 Wingers with chemistry, Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann, to make a Cup run. The Blackhawks traded a 1st round draft pick and their defensive prospect, Klas Dahlbeck, to the Coyotes for Antoine Vermette and they won the Cup. It doesn't always result in a Stanley Cup but an organization should throw everything at the opportunity to win a Cup when the window is there because there are about 6 legit contenders for the Cup every season and only 1 team can win it. Then, that Cup window passes the other teams by and you don't want to be the San Jose Sharks.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 17, 2021 at 1:17 a.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stan_Bowman</b></div><div>I was gonna say the hawks do this in a heartbeat but the is;anders wouldn’t want to pay that price. IMO the first is the overkill in this trade.</div></div>
I added the 1st round pick because Ladd's contract goes for 2 seasons after this at $5.5m per season and this could really hamstring the Hawks for resigning their RFAs in 2022. Kubalik AND Strome would probably have to be moved at the next deadline or before that to fit Ladd in for the final year of his deal. Wahlstrom would be a upgrade replacement for Kubalik and could play center if needed and the 1st round pick would be a great consolation for having to trade Strome who is also a 1st rounder.
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Mar. 17, 2021 at 1:11 a.m.
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Laddy Wahly Blackhawks 2021
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rokk</b></div><div>I was just about to say, this definitely helps the Hawks. How exactly does this help the Islanders again?</div></div>
This would be a "go for the Cup" move for a Cup contender, the Isles. The benefit of this trade for the Isles is clearing cap space to pursue a Top 6 Forward or Top 4 Defender before the deadline and adding veteran playoff tested depth to their line up. Janmark helped get Dallas to the Stanley Cup Final last year. Soderberg is a big bodied center that can win face offs and can stand in front of the net on the power play to screen the goalie like he does on the Hawks. Anders Lee (12G, 7A) and Oliver Wahlstrom (6G, 5A) have combined for 30 points this season. Janmark (9G, 7A) and Soderberg (5G, 7A) have combined for 28 points this season. Plus, this trade along with Lee's move to LTIR clear some cap space to pursue a Top 6 Forward or or Top 4 Defender on an expiring contract with their 2021 1st round draft pick. Taylor Hall or whoever. The HUGE benefit is the Isles would be relieved from $5.5m in cap space for the next 2 seasons of the flat cap era after this.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 16, 2021 at 8:12 p.m.
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AQUIRE PICKS
I like the trades for Janmark and Soderberg. I don't think any team will trade for Subban. There will be better back up goalies available with the expansion draft looming and every team only able to protect 1 goalie.
I think the issue with trying to trade de Haan before the deadline this season is going to be that, whatever team acquired him, they'd lose de Haan in the expansion draft to Seattle anyway because most teams already have at least 3 defensemen they'd prefer to protect. So, the Blackhawks are only going to be offered rental value for this season to a contender. Also, for a plus one year deal like de Haan's, contenders are going to target Ekholm from the Predators first. Ekholm's contract is more reasonable at $3.75m per season for the rest of this season and next season.
I've thought about trading de Haan a lot and, unless they find a great deal for him, I actually think it's better for the Hawks to hang onto him for the rest of this season and as expansion draft bait for Seattle. The Hawks 3 young defensemen aren't ready for a playoff run as starters without some protection on every pairing with a veteran. They'll benefit from playing out the season on a pairing with de Haan. Plus, Seattle may not take de Haan because his cap hit it too high and his contract is for only one more season, then, he's an UFA. With the flat cap, I'd rather that Seattle takes de Haan than Carlsson who is an RFA or one of the other unprotected younger Hawks. If de Haan isn't selected by Seattle, they keep him for one more season and the young defensemen get sheltered one more year. de Haan definitely won't be resigned by the Hawks after his current contract.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 16, 2021 at 4:51 p.m.
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Deadline moves Strome return
I could see the Tyler Johnson trade happening in the off season because his NTC turns into a M-NTC clause on June 15th (20 team list) but only if the Lightning throw in a 1st round draft pick and a prospect. They're in salary cap hell and will definitely be looking to trade Johnson in the off season. However, the Blackhawks have the cap space and the leverage. They shouldn't sacrifice their flexibility for Tyler Johnson. If they're going to take 3 years of a contract for a 30+ year old player, they should be getting a big reward. The flat cap for 3 years is going to be a big crunch on a bunch of teams because they all planned for a cap that increased every year. The Blackhawks absolutely have to weaponize their cap space and LTIR this season and next season.
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Mar. 14, 2021 at 6:44 p.m.
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Is this where we end up next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Hagel won't get close to that number; more likely $1.25M as he is a role player and rookie. Kampf is closer to that number but still not above $2M IMO. Nylander isn't getting over $1M. Suter has no leverage, unlike Kubalik, so $2M to $2.5M is max. Just because we have cap space, doesn't mean we should overpay our RFAs.</div></div>
I agree that Hagel will get less - probably $1.25m for 2 years. In general, I think Suter, Nylander, and Kampf all get a little less.
Overall, I think this is pretty close to what will happen. However, I don't think Janmark will be back with the Blackhawks. If he isn't traded by the deadline this year, I'd be shocked because he's probably the most likely to be dealt ahead of Soderberg. I don't think there will be a spot for him in the line up either - especially if Toews comes back and Strome isn't traded because that will push Strome or Suter to wing. I suspect Reichel will get 9 games to see at the start of the season and I could see him sticking in the NHL - he'll have already played 2 seasons with men in Germany.
I also don't think Janmark will be back because the Blackhawks will be carrying a bad contract or 2 or possibly 3 if Toews is done. Seabrook is done and Shaw is likely done too. If they don't make deals to take bad contracts at the deadline, they certainly will after the expansion draft as teams try to be cap compliant. I see them taking a big contract for a year or two like Loui Eriksson from the Canucks or Andrew Ladd from the Islanders in exchange for an elite prospect and/or 1st round draft picks. Zadarov's new deal will mostly be covered in the cap by what he's getting paid now plus the Saad retained salary which will be freed up. de Haan is likely taken by Seattle but, if he isn't, they'll certainly keep him to guide the new defensemen along until his contract expires or they'll deal him at the 2022 deadline if they're out of playoff position. If de Haan isn't back, his salary is the money the Blackhawks will use for the raises on the new deals for the other RFAs - Suter, Kampf, Hagel, Wallmark, and Nylander - who all get 2 year deals. This will give Bowman the same in-season flexibility to make deals to acquire new assets. I see the Blackhawks collecting prospects and picks for the next calendar year. I doubt they move anyone that isn't a pending UFA this season and next season.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 3, 2019 at 5:06 p.m.
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July 1 Fallout
I'll accept this proposal in all facets. Let's get married and adopt a Nikita. We'd be screwed with the cap once De Haan was healthy but I like it.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 3, 2019 at 1:02 p.m.
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Kahuna-Maattata Trade and more
Kahuna-Maattata is very funny. Pissed I didn't think of it myself. Did you come up with that or hear it somewhere else?
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Armchair-GM
May 6, 2019 at 12:53 p.m.
Thread:
BEAST
I think you're right that the 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks are way more interesting than the 2019-20 Chicago Blackhawks. I think the DeBrincat and Strome deals are right if they sign extensions before the 2019-20 season. I think you've undervalued Saad - the Canes would give one of their defenseman for him, that's was what they proposed in the past and Bowman turned it down (Saad for Faulk I believe). He's the muscle they need. I think you've overvalued Gustafsson. He wouldn't command a first round draft pick. If he did, the Blackhawks would have traded him at the deadline this year. It looks like you place a high value or low value on a player based on points scored. Although, Murphy isn't worth a 1st round pick either. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Crawford after he contract expires. I think it's likely he changes teams for a $7-8m contract for a single season with a Cup contender that's been snake bit by their goaltending.
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