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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread: CAR 22-23
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25 at 12:33 a.m.
Thread: CAR 22-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Black61</b></div><div>a couple questions for this move. With him filing for arbitration:

Does he have to sign before being traded?

If he doesnt and the habs sign him does that reopen their 2nd buyout window?</div></div>

To my understanding, the arbitration would proceed as normal, including the buyout window and all of the other items it involves. I cannot however, find an example of a team trading for a player headed to arbitration, without first having a contract in place that would negate the arbitration process.
The new CBA MOU also prevents the arbitration process from being interrupted once it has begun. You can no longer sign a player after the hearing but before the verdict. Any contract which avoids arbitration must be signed before their scheduled hearing.

Common sense would suggest no team is going to trade for a player without knowing what their contract is going to be, so I'd be surprised if it has ever happened. You'd normally get permission to discuss a contract with the player's agent and have a sign and trade, or an agreement to be finalized immediately after a trade. That would also preempt a 2nd buyout window.
Only the team has walk away rights if they disagree with the arbitration award. Until then, the player remains an RFA and may be traded as one. As with any RFA, a value and length of contract has to be negotiated, the only difference with arbitration is that a 3rd party sets those terms when negotiations fail.

So in short, yes. A trade is legal and doesn't change the process, but no team is going to make a trade under those circumstances.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21 at 5:02 p.m.
Thread: dvorak
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21 at 1:11 p.m.
Thread: dvorak
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 20 at 8:33 p.m.
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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19 at 9:29 p.m.
Thread: OffSeason
Mailloux could be traded, but not near his draft value. The only way Montreal recoups value from that pick, is to stick with him and develop his character as they promised.
Hoffman might require a concession to include. Perhaps that means the Florida pick is unprotected and Winnipeg bets on it being in the first half of the round.
Ylonen is (hopefully) the next Lehkonen type player. His value won't be realized until later in his career, if he reaches that potential.
Dvorak is still promising as a strong all situations C that could see more production in a better situation. He still has the value of a 1st, maybe more, or you don't trade him.
Byron just isn't necessary here. He has value to the Habs or at the deadline, but means little to Winnipeg.

I don't think most of the league views Dvorak as highly as a year ago, but that can change quickly with a strong season. Teams may want to buy low on him, but Montreal shouldn't sell low.
If you count him as at least the value of a 1st round pick: It's roughly equivalent to two 1sts + any prospect not named Guhle or added by Hughes (+Hoffman only if necessary). That's not a bad return for a player with demonstrable issues and reluctance to remain with the teams that invest in him. Both sides need to temper expectations, but Montreal has to be the first to walk away if the ask goes higher.
Montreal still owes Dvorak and Dach a solid shot with a fresh start to a season after a full camp, before deciding to give up on either player being a potential 2C.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19 at 3:04 p.m.
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