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Forum: NHLMar. 10 at 1:15 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>They should be tanking for 1 more piece. Who knows, they might win the lottery and land Celebrini.

What is Steve thinking grabbing Holl etc.

Phil the Thrill getting robbed of 1000pts is pure BS.</div></div>

I understand Vancouver maybe not wanting to sign him, but surprised he couldn't find a place to play elsewhere to at least finish the season.
If he limited his options due to contract demands or only wanting to sign with a contender, it would make sense, but if he's just shooting to finish 1000 points or even wants to find a landing spot for next season, it couldn't hurt for him to return to Pittsburgh or Arizona to give them a good story in a lost season. Even Chicago or San Jose could work on a league minimum contract with no term.
Forum: NHLMar. 8 at 8:30 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I really like Edmonton’s moves. I think they already check the blocks for cocaine hockey and toughness, they needed stability. They got stability. Their underbelly is not as soft. I feel the last thing the rest of the league needs is a balanced roster lead by McDavid.

I kinda like Nashville’s approach. Tidy business.

And Calgary getting nhlers (near nhlers) back for rentals 3 times in one deadline is kinda cool.

Carolina giving kuznetsov a try is cool.

Florida getting the best deal in tarasenko is a big boost. Right place at the right time.

Colorado treated this deadline like the offseason and snagged two fairly big pieces they’ll maybe keep for awhile.

I think Pittsburg did well, but I’ve beat that one to death and will stop. I think history will reflect very positively short, medium, and long term.

Biggest loser: my team the blues who didn’t have anything you all wanted :( o well. Can’t fail at making a trade prediction if there’s no trades to predict.

Runner up: Detroit. Same reason as blues except they should have bought imo. You aren’t gonna get Patrick Kane under 3 mil another year. He’s proven he’s worth double that at least or the fact that no matter how good, the years are passing for him. It was worth a stab at a rental I think while you have that power up. Not like the stockpile is low. Didn’t need to go extreme, but I’m surprised they couldn’t find anything worthwhile.</div></div>

Cocaine hockey?
Forum: NHLMar. 8 at 3:40 p.m.
Thread: Preventing Playoff Cap circumvention.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MGK</b></div><div>Which Vegas can do with their current roster, and probably with another deadline acquisition. Right now they can ice a 20 man roster that takes up 77M-81M.

Last year the lineup of
Barbashev Eichel Marchessault
Howden Stephenson Stone
Smith Karlsson Amadio
Carrier Roy Kolesar

Martinez Pietrangelo
McNabb Theodore
Hague Whitecloud

Hill
Thompson

would have been cap compliant too, I believe.</div></div>

It's not perfect, but it does add at least some restriction. You can't run a 20 man group @ $83M in game 1 then swap a $750k guy for Mark Stone's $9.5M in game 2.
If you have to choose between two $5M guys on any given night, you can increase the quality of your depth/insurance, but not so much your playing roster.

One change I would make for LTIR is that you can only apply the relief from one player toward a direct replacement for that player.
So if Mark Stone goes down and you add a $4M player, you "lose" the other $5.5M.
If you lose a $1M player as well, you don't get to add a $6.5M player, you're limited to a one-for-one swap at $1M or less.

It's no longer a "pool" of discretionary spending where you can keep adding players until that pool is maxed out.
Forum: NHL TradesMar. 8 at 12:10 a.m.
Thread: (PIT/CAR) - Guentzel, Smith for Bunting, Koivunen, Ponomarev, Lucius, 2024 2nd (PHI), 2024 5th (CAR)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mvp13</b></div><div>Not getting a guaranteed 1st is absolutely terrible considering this alleged bidding war. Unless these prospects are the second coming of McJesus, I don't get it. Not an expert but I don't believe any of those are their best.</div></div>

My first two thoughts:

1. Dubas tried to pressure teams into better offers by putting an early deadline on a deal and it backfired, reducing the competition.
2. Are GMs finally regaining their sanity and pushing back against rental prices?

With so many teams going all in the last couple of seasons and multiple GMs being faced with serious pick/prospect shortages, maybe the analysts are getting through with data about just how effective deadline additions are and what acceptable risk is with respect to cost/benefit.

Bad negotiating, buyer's market, or paradigm shift?
Forum: NHLMar. 6 at 9:24 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pompadour_de_Armstrong</b></div><div>My old person hot-take will continue to be that the issue is a relatively new fascination and is overrated. Mostly a comfort level from guys who never played off hand side. It does make a difference on how you will approach a play (and especially on the PP), but no-one capable of playing top-four minutes should be unable to shift to the other side. It just takes some adjustment to get comfortable and retrain the brain a bit. Wouldn't be too keen on asking a young guy still getting confidence at this level to make changes to his game at the same time or ask a fringe defenseman to change his game around, but most guys should be able to get comfortable with a bit of time.
Doesn't mean guys won't have preferences, or that some guys won't play better on one side or the other, or that you shouldn't try to line up with those preferences in mind. Just think it's a relatively new coaching obsession to grab a dedicated number of L/R defensemen as opposed to grabbing the best four defensemen you can ice and try to find the right mix and partners for them regardless of handedness.</div></div>

Most strategies rely on having the correct hand at the correct place at the correct time. Funneling pucks out of your zone or wrapping around the boards, is faster and more accurate on the forehand.
A defenseman playing the wrong hand doesn't only affect his own play either. Everyone has to make sure he has the time to avoid getting crossed up and adjust how they move the puck to that player.
On their own, there are a lot of little details which it affects. Combined it can cause significant issues.
Forum: NHLMar. 6 at 12:27 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>Tarasenko has fired 4 agents in 24 months.

He is waiving his ntc for a future contract.

As predicted, he was super cheap to any team who would do that.

I’d predict he’s a panther for 3-4 more years.

Think of it like this:

It’s kinda hard to sign tarasenko if signing him means you have to pay a first round pick. Nobody would do that.

He had to be cheap to get what he wanted. Thus fully using the full ntc. If he’d only waive for 1 team, it’s a take it or leave it situation. Even if there’s no deal in Florida, he gets to be on the absolute premium team to show himself off.</div></div>

This had to have been a deal between the player and team. Maybe Tarasenko committed to coming back to Ottawa as a free agent or he signed under the condition they trade him to his destination of choice if the time came.
Otherwise, while the "something is better than nothing" might be a factor, a new GM selling that low on a player is bad business. He's setting a pretty low bar for future negotiations.
If all Florida was offering was a 3rd and 4th, I would have waited until the deadline for them to make a better offer or simply kept the player. I'd rather lose out on the 3rd than help a team that lowballed me.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 4 at 7:05 p.m.
Thread: TDL LINEUP
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Artsy19</b></div><div>Carrier is an attractive target, but he's small and brings alot of what they already have. Kovecevic is BIG
and has alot of what they already have!
He'd be worth the price after looking at this year's draft.</div></div>

Kovacevic and Ceci are close enough, assuming Kovacevic is ready for more minutes. I personally feel he is, especially if he gets the same deployment (he's 40/60 or worse in Montreal, compared to Ceci's 50/50).
The big differences are size, experience, age, and cap hit.

You can't fix everything, but if losing Ceci and adding Kovacevic allows you to fit another vet 6/7 RHD and a winger for the 2nd line, it might be worth considering.

Might be too much of a risk this close to the deadline, but even if adding Kovacevic is a depth move, you could see what he has to offer and keep Ceci as well, then make a permanent choice in the off-season.
Kulak is similar to Harris and Harris-Kovacevic have worked well together.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 4 at 3:25 p.m.
Thread: Blockbuster with BUF
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>Ok, now THIS IS FINALLY a trade package that could actually be of interest to Buffalo

We’d likely have to send u Clifton as well though,
bc we’d have too many defensemen
But Reinbacher COULD “move the needle” to get us to think about moving Mitts
And Savard might be of interest if he comes along with an “heir apparent” like that


Idk that it would happen
But this is at least reasonable from the Sabres perspective
I’m curious to see what other Habs fans think though….
is Reinbacher untouchable?</div></div>

Reinbacher shouldn't be available, but Montreal's 1st could be used to draft your own RHD.
I'd consider them interchangeable but would prefer to keep the one in hand already.
Mittelstadt would not be my target if I'm moving that 1st however, I'd be more interested in Cozens or I'd poke around the league to see who else could be shaken loose if that pick were involved.
Who would Buffalo prefer to keep?

Krebs doesn't interest me at all. I wouldn't expect him to be replaced in this proposal with something better, but he doesn't sway me towards accepting either.
Same with Clifton (but reversed). I'd take practically any forward contract instead but it wouldn't make me reject (would depend on how much money is coming back total though).
If we were to move both Savard and Reinbacher (we have the same succession plan), we'd have to be signing a RHD capable of 20+ minutes as a prerequisite for making such a deal.

I can see the appeal and how it might work for both sides, so it's not inherently terrible, but I personally don't think Montreal should be trading those assets for Mittelstadt.
It gives me Gomez/Drouin vibes where we give up what ends up being a 1st pairing D for a C that ends up faceplanting in Montreal, and we have a chance to acquire a (eventual) better forward with the pick.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3 at 11:45 p.m.
Thread: TDL and Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>He was a cap dump when traded to Montreal. Pittsburgh insisted that Montreal take him.

The Jets are finished with Schmidt's contract next year, they'd be stuck with Matheson 's bloated deal for another 2 and the Jets have actual good players coming up that need raises.

Matheson is too expensive to play another 2 seasons behind Morrissey when the Jets need a good defensive RH defenseman.

Why waste assets on another LHD when the Jets need an RHD?

He's an average 2nd pairing D and has never been considered top pairing by anyone.

If these players we're as good as Montreal fans tell us they are, Montreal wouldn't consistently be one of the worst teams in the league.

6 strikes you're out twice.</div></div>

None of those are counterpoints to anything I said or reinforce any of your original points.
It's okay to just say you don't like a player or they don't fit with a team. You don't have to disparage a player to make those arguments.