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Dec 22, 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>First off, appreciate the insightful response. Secondly, I don't envision Vitali Kravtsov being moved at all. I think if Lauri Pajuniemi is of interest for STL I would definitely be handcuffed to do a deal like that with taking Bozak's contract and adding a 1st-round pick. As a huge fan of Pajuniemi, I think it's a fair offer for sure. I've watched him since 2018 and think he has serious potential. 26 goals in Liiga isn't nothing to scoff at. I can't put into words how much I would love Vince Dunn in a NYR uniform, but in our rebuilding process, we simply can't trade top guys especially when these prospects we can part with are still very good, trading a 1st +, and taking $5M off the books to bring back Pietrangelo.
So, would this trade work? If not, how would you adjust to your liking?
- RW Lauri Pajuniemi
- C Evan Vierling
- 2021-1st round pick (Top 10 Protected)
- LHD Vince Dunn (RFA Rights)
- C Tyler Bozak</div></div>
That looks like the beginning of a negotiation. There would probably be tweaks, but it's at least in the neighborhood (unlike the Toronto fans wanting do send three pieces of used toilet paper to the Blues for Parayko).
I think STL and NYR are good trade partners, but what you are offering isn't what the Blues need. Hajek is a LHD with promise, but the Note already has Perunovich, Mikkola, and Tucker. All three are likely NHLers, with Perunovich possibly being a stud. Mikkola is a shutdown defenseman. Tucker is a big boy with a big shot who easily slots in as a #6 or 7 defenseman to start. While Vierling is a center (bonus points there), the Blues already have Alexandrov and Leferriere waiting in the wings. Alexandrov probably makes the team late next year and is a regular the following. Laferriere - if he sticks at center - is goingto turn out as a late round steal who turns into a scorer. (He may be a RWer when all is said and done though.) The Blues have great depth at goalie, so Garand likely doesn't move the needle.
You are offering some good players and picks, no doubt; but if the Note is to move a stud like Dunn, it has to fill some of our holes too. Dunn's absence will be filled by Krug and Perunovich. Scandella and Mikkola round out the LHD future, with Gunnarsson playing one more year. ROR, Schenn, Thomas, Sunqvist, Alexandrov, and maybe Barbashev (if he's not moved) occupy the center roles. Binnington and Husso will hold the goalie position until Hofer boots both out. The Blues need a LW scorer, and to a lesser extent, a RW scorer (especially since Tarasenko's return play is an unknown). Kyrou, Blais, and (maybe) Kostin can fill out the RW spots, but all only have shown promising ceilings. We need a promising "floor."
This basically means that of the guys New York would possibly consider moving, Kravstov is obviously tops, with Pajuniemi a distant second. None of NY's minor league LWers are very interesting, at least not for a player of Dunn's caliber. If New York really does have interest in Bozak (who definitely is not of negative value), I'd offer Bozak and Dunn for Kravstov, a 2021 1st, and either a 2022 2nd round pick (with retention), a 2021 3rd (with no retention), or maybe Vierling if you think he could play LW. Basically Dunn for the first two, and Bozak for one of the final three.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>You don't think Kostin can do that?
I presume you consider Thomas established then and not in that group.
Still don't get why you guys gave Fabbri away</div></div>
I'm not sure anyone is sold on Kostin quite yet. He's toolsy, yes, but he hasn't shown consistency. Regarding Thomas, yes, he is no longer a prospect. He's a stud in the making for sure, but already a regular. Many of us hated to see Fabbri go, especially for that slug DLR. Then,to makematters worse, Army doubled-down on DLR and re-signed him. Admittedly, you don't find many NHLers that you can get for $700,000, but I would have rather seen that money go to building a bar-b-que facility inside the arena or an addition added for covered parking.