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Forum:
Armchair-GM
2 hours ago
Thread:
Eichel is he worth all that
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil1122</b></div><div>Yeah. It's either super high or super low.
His return would be: 1 "A" level prospect or young player, 2 "B" prospects or young players, 1 "NHL" level player, 2 firsts</div></div>
Its not always great to check off boxes like this. For instance the ror trade: a certain dimwitted former gm got 2 veteran forwards, a recent first round pick, a first round pick, and a second. Quite the haul you say?- well that would be wrong. Berglund and sobotka were sold as useful players but almost immediately revealed themselves to be garbage cap dumps. The recent first prospect was actually the blues 4th rated prospect, but the only thing tage thompson brings unfortunately is height. The future first that most fans treasure, was actually top ten protected (which we found out only when st louis sputtered out of the gate, before going on to win the cup), but that didnt really matter because it became pick 31 when the blues won the cup. I dont know what happened with the second rounder. Just pointing out that while we technically checked all of the boxes, armtrong it seems filled out all of the names in the trade himself.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
5 hours ago
Thread:
eichel trade
Too much quantity. If its 7 pieces, its the wrong pieces.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 hours ago
Thread:
Brady
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>the leafs arent getting hall at 6m and a 3rd for a late first. just absolutely never going to happen. Look at the devils trade with hall last year as a starting point. 1st, 1st round prospect, 2nd round prospect, 3rd and a 3rd round prospect for hall and a 3rd round prospect. You dont sell assets for nothing in this business.</div></div>
https://theathletic.com/2414935/2021/03/01/nhl-trade-deadline-board-jack-eichel/
Copied from avs fan richard88.
It says an nhl exec said that if the sabres retain 50%,
they will get a pick, but it will not be a first. I hope you are right, it only takes two team to drive the price up and one team to pay it of course.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 hours ago
Thread:
Brady
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>no chance that gets you hall. not even close.</div></div>
Really? Did the op change? I figure a late first is what he will cost, although i imagine theres cap coming back in some way, as long as it drops off this year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
9 hours ago
Thread:
hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>From The Athletic today:
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>24. Taylor Hall, Sabres: Hall was pushed down this list for a couple of reasons. One, even on an expiring contract, he’s expensive. Most teams just don’t have the financial flexibility to add $8 million, even pro-rated. <strong>“Buffalo is going to have to eat half the money and I don’t know what pick they’re getting to do it. Maybe a second?</strong> <strong>They’re not getting a first,” said one executive.</strong> “There still aren’t many top-six guys you can add and he’s a top six. No one is going to want to take on the pro-rated $8 million cash.”
The second reason he’s not higher is that Hall has complete trade protection. And according to an NHL source, he’s enjoyed his time in Buffalo and wouldn’t necessarily be eager to waive it. It’s possible that a contract extension is more likely than a trade here.</div>
https://theathletic.com/2414935/2021/03/01/nhl-trade-deadline-board-jack-eichel/</div></div>
Meh. The markets the market. I dont see a problem retaining 50%, ideally you would think retaining brings a sweetener, but probably not in this case. Bonus- its likely that if we trade hall, we wont try to bring him back at 7 years 8 per, which is how i really dont need this to end.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sun at 4:01 pm
Thread:
Eichel for prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div>It would have to be an offseason trade. Dumba being gone is about the only cap that works for MN. Dumba does nothing for BUF though.
$10m in space is hard to come up with for MN. From MN that's MarJo + Bonino/Rask + Bjugstad; those guys and $7.50 with get you a coffee and a donut.</div></div>
I can respect that salary most likely has to come back to facilitate adding a 10 million dollar player, but for the love of god dont give us back marcus johansson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sun at 11:50 am
Thread:
If Botterils bad trades didnt happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>I dont think the pegulas are as involved as anyone thinks, or else the Bills would suck too</div></div>
I thought ror was because they wanted to trade him (if they were going to) before they had to pay his 7.5m roster bonus. That was the rumor anyways. The skinner thing is so bizarre, i just assumed that pegula told botterill "sign this 40 goal scorer, whatever it takes". Skinner had so little leverage- if he wanted to play in or near toronto, we were the only team that remotely fit his narrow criteria, why the hell did botterill overpay him by 3 million dollars a year?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sun at 10:27 am
Thread:
If Botterils bad trades didnt happen
Worst. Gm. Ever. As he is gone, and best forgotten, i think the concern now should be- just how much he made these awful decisions on his own, and how much pegula pulled the strings. I think the ror trade and skinner extensions are most concerning, as these are the moves where it seems most likely that the owner was pushing him to double down on stupid.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sun at 10:17 am
Thread:
If Botterils bad trades didnt happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>I have a lot of regret over that O'Reilly trade, too, but my regret is that I didn't push harder for the Caps to get him. :)</div></div>
Im curious what your offer was. Its not like you could have offered less. We actually paid to get rid of him.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 10:11 pm
Thread:
Rangers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bettman4Pres</b></div><div>the eichel trades on this site crack me up. It'll be interesting to see if he does get moved. Every fan of their team wants to get him for for their 4th or 5th best prospect, 2-3C and a first, but since there will probably be 4 or 5 teams bidding, possibly more, the offer is going to have to beat the others. I know you don't want to give up Kakko, but Eichel is 24, a legit stud 1C who has played on the worst franchise in the NHL and still been great, it would be so worth it to part with him for Eichel for 6 more years. The Ryan O'Reilly still haunts the owners, so they're very sensitive to being embarrassed again and won't give eichel away, especially not to an Eastern conf team. I understand why you want to give up 4 quarters for a dollar, just don't think its going to happen</div></div>
Im not even sure if its 4 quarters
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 9:04 pm
Thread:
Tiburon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JumboFett</b></div><div>The more I research the more it looks like Krueger's trying to run him outta town so they can sign Hall long-term.</div></div>
Run him out how? We've had berglund and Bogosian literally walk away from money to leave here, but neither left 60 million on the table. A buyout is until 2033, and retaining would be 7 years- and you probably, as of right now, would have to retain 4.5m just to get back a 7th round pick and a box of fresh Montana air. It does put a smile on my face to think of Ralph kreuger and Kevyn Adams both putting on ski masks and waiting in the shadows in the players parking garage with a couple of lead pipes- just to put Skinner on ltir. I wonder...
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Sat at 1:53 pm
Thread:
Lune des plus grosse transaction de lhistoire de la lnh
Mais non. Remove eichel and it's fair.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 10:25 am
Thread:
KAs teamnew blood new core
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FreeTacosAreBestTacos</b></div><div>To add to my above post:
Given that Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Shesterkin & probably Miller are untouchables on the Rangers, you're looking at 2 potential offers they might make for Eichel.
1. Prospects based: 2021 1st (looking to be top 10), Conditional 2022 1st (say NYR make it to ECF, otherwise it's a 2nd) Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Robertson, Buchnevich/Chytil, DeAngelo/Smith for cap purposes
2. Zibanejad-based: Zibanejad, Kravtsov/Robertson, 2021 1st Top 10 protected</div></div>
LOL, no thanks
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 1:39 am
Thread:
Tiburon
Also, last year, kreuger wanted skinner to drive play on his own line. Unfortunately the ex-gm gave the coach marcus johansson as the #2 center (he was steaming hot garbage and hadnt played center in years), and some combination of connor sheary, jimmy vesey, vladimir sobotka, and evan rodrigues as wingers. So skinner had very very little to play with. Now kreuger has decided that skinner is going to be a more well rounded player or he will sit. Im not as upset as most fans are, its the coaches prerogative to make his players play his gameplan. Hes not hurting his trade value, hes probably 2 million over market even if he puts up 30g and 20a, which means hes going to be here for awhile. Of course we need goals, skinner should be back in the lineup soon, not sure how far kreuger is willing to take this. Skinner has had this rep his whole career- no defense, probably good for 30g/20a in a good year, not sure at 28 with 60 million guatanteed that hes going to change that now.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Sat at 12:08 am
Thread:
Tiburon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>thewookie1</b></div><div>The real money doesn't really matter in this case; they aren't trading you a Top 10 pick and a 2nd for $4.5mil cap hits for 5/6 years and $10mil in real money for him not to play for Buffalo.</div></div>
Agreed. Retaining 27 million dollars and giving up a lottery first beyond stupid. They would also get a second in a supposedly deep draft and skinner at 4.5m, which historically has been a 20 goal winger.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 11:18 pm
Thread:
Re-rebuild
As a sabres fan that just watched Curtis Lazar as our #1 center last night, I would counter with kaako, chytil, and a 22 first. I can't say Sabres fans would love it, but it checks more boxes for me. The dahlin trade doesn't work for me. Turcotte and a first are certainly nice pieces, but its not enough for dahlin at this time.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 9:11 pm
Thread:
What does skinner cost
I think currently we are trying to make him quit hockey. Theres no world where we retain 4.5 million for 7 years, let alone adding 3 firsts to do it. I genuinely dont think the pegulas are going to pay anybody else to not work for them, so i dont see a buyout either.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 9:07 pm
Thread:
Johnny to Buf
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hwjw</b></div><div>And Dach, Kubalik and a first? Like..... what?
I think Gaudreau is savagely overrated by Flames fans. He’s a good winger who scores a lot, but he’s small and has known to be poor in the playoffs. I don’t think his value is as high as all that.
That being said, this Buffalo return is closer than the other proposals.</div></div>
If these things are equal, i would like to trade the buffalo package for the chicago package please.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 7:30 pm
Thread:
How a superstar is seen by his own fanbase
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SalamiCheese</b></div><div>Tkachuk+ or Stutzle+ this is fair for a player like Eichel, it's another matter whether the team that trades for Eichel wants to do this, but the price and demand will be high.</div></div>
I have trouble seeing ottawa landing eichel. Theres no crappy quantity offer thats going to be accepted, they will be in the same division again soon, and im guessing eichel has most canadian teams on his no trade list that kicks in next summer.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 1:06 pm
Thread:
The Sharks 3 Paths - PT3 - lets rebuild
I wouldnt give up the 22 first for you guys to take skinner. So i have no interest in moving it for okposo.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 12:59 pm
Thread:
Rebuild Retool Re-Whatever Pt 2
I think this is pretty close. I think LA has an advantage over many teams because they have good center prospects to send back. The sabres last night had curtis lazar centering line 1, as eichel was a late scratch. Certainly you wouldnt ONLY insist that the center be the main piece over a winger or a d, but its gotta at least be a consideration.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 12:51 pm
Thread:
If Montreal offered this for Eichel would you take it
No. Its pretty light honestly.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Fri at 9:40 am
Thread:
Anaheim Eichel
Zegras not gibson
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu at 11:08 pm
Thread:
3 Team Eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Not even close for Eichel, And i seriously doubt Zib would waive his NMC for Buffalo.</div></div>
In this case, great. Why gms give nmc is beyond me.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu at 10:59 pm
Thread:
Wild Bill strikes early again
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>Wow this is a impressive thread, like 3 pages. Wild aren't getting Eichel, and this wouldn't be the offer to do it. Talbot is a nice goalie for the Wild but Sabres would showcase the holes in his game. Ultimately Eichel ends up in LA or NY. Rangers and Kings have a lot of nice prospects Wild won't be able to out bid them. Watching the Kings now I think they offer Byfield and a bit more and see what happens. Kings are actually within range of a playoff spot and Eichel might put the Kings over the top for the 4 seed.
Last thought if Wild were to make a offer for Eichel, it probably starts with Rossi and Wild 21 and 22 first and then keep adding. Wild would probably need to move Dumba for cap space and assets to include in the deal, IMO.</div></div>
Agree with everything you said, although i do hope our gm has the stones to stick to his guns if its byfield or laf/kk. Many sabres fans, myself included, thought the worst crime of the ror trade was taking stl 4th best prospect. Hes awful, like just awful, but you cant teach tall. Hope you guys get a franchise center soon, it sucks wandering the desert, these guys never hit the market- trade or ufa, and its a bugger to hit on one out of the top 5.
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