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Feb 9, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil1122</b></div><div>Yeah. It's either super high or super low.
His return would be: 1 "A" level prospect or young player, 2 "B" prospects or young players, 1 "NHL" level player, 2 firsts</div></div>
Its not always great to check off boxes like this. For instance the ror trade: a certain dimwitted former gm got 2 veteran forwards, a recent first round pick, a first round pick, and a second. Quite the haul you say?- well that would be wrong. Berglund and sobotka were sold as useful players but almost immediately revealed themselves to be garbage cap dumps. The recent first prospect was actually the blues 4th rated prospect, but the only thing tage thompson brings unfortunately is height. The future first that most fans treasure, was actually top ten protected (which we found out only when st louis sputtered out of the gate, before going on to win the cup), but that didnt really matter because it became pick 31 when the blues won the cup. I dont know what happened with the second rounder. Just pointing out that while we technically checked all of the boxes, armtrong it seems filled out all of the names in the trade himself.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>From The Athletic today:
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>24. Taylor Hall, Sabres: Hall was pushed down this list for a couple of reasons. One, even on an expiring contract, he’s expensive. Most teams just don’t have the financial flexibility to add $8 million, even pro-rated. <strong>“Buffalo is going to have to eat half the money and I don’t know what pick they’re getting to do it. Maybe a second?</strong> <strong>They’re not getting a first,” said one executive.</strong> “There still aren’t many top-six guys you can add and he’s a top six. No one is going to want to take on the pro-rated $8 million cash.”
The second reason he’s not higher is that Hall has complete trade protection. And according to an NHL source, he’s enjoyed his time in Buffalo and wouldn’t necessarily be eager to waive it. It’s possible that a contract extension is more likely than a trade here.</div>
Meh. The markets the market. I dont see a problem retaining 50%, ideally you would think retaining brings a sweetener, but probably not in this case. Bonus- its likely that if we trade hall, we wont try to bring him back at 7 years 8 per, which is how i really dont need this to end.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bettman4Pres</b></div><div>the eichel trades on this site crack me up. It'll be interesting to see if he does get moved. Every fan of their team wants to get him for for their 4th or 5th best prospect, 2-3C and a first, but since there will probably be 4 or 5 teams bidding, possibly more, the offer is going to have to beat the others. I know you don't want to give up Kakko, but Eichel is 24, a legit stud 1C who has played on the worst franchise in the NHL and still been great, it would be so worth it to part with him for Eichel for 6 more years. The Ryan O'Reilly still haunts the owners, so they're very sensitive to being embarrassed again and won't give eichel away, especially not to an Eastern conf team. I understand why you want to give up 4 quarters for a dollar, just don't think its going to happen</div></div>
Im not even sure if its 4 quarters
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FreeTacosAreBestTacos</b></div><div>To add to my above post:
Given that Lafreniere, Kakko, Fox, Shesterkin & probably Miller are untouchables on the Rangers, you're looking at 2 potential offers they might make for Eichel.
1. Prospects based: 2021 1st (looking to be top 10), Conditional 2022 1st (say NYR make it to ECF, otherwise it's a 2nd) Lundkvist, Kravtsov, Robertson, Buchnevich/Chytil, DeAngelo/Smith for cap purposes
2. Zibanejad-based: Zibanejad, Kravtsov/Robertson, 2021 1st Top 10 protected</div></div>
LOL, no thanks
Also, last year, kreuger wanted skinner to drive play on his own line. Unfortunately the ex-gm gave the coach marcus johansson as the #2 center (he was steaming hot garbage and hadnt played center in years), and some combination of connor sheary, jimmy vesey, vladimir sobotka, and evan rodrigues as wingers. So skinner had very very little to play with. Now kreuger has decided that skinner is going to be a more well rounded player or he will sit. Im not as upset as most fans are, its the coaches prerogative to make his players play his gameplan. Hes not hurting his trade value, hes probably 2 million over market even if he puts up 30g and 20a, which means hes going to be here for awhile. Of course we need goals, skinner should be back in the lineup soon, not sure how far kreuger is willing to take this. Skinner has had this rep his whole career- no defense, probably good for 30g/20a in a good year, not sure at 28 with 60 million guatanteed that hes going to change that now. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>Wow this is a impressive thread, like 3 pages. Wild aren't getting Eichel, and this wouldn't be the offer to do it. Talbot is a nice goalie for the Wild but Sabres would showcase the holes in his game. Ultimately Eichel ends up in LA or NY. Rangers and Kings have a lot of nice prospects Wild won't be able to out bid them. Watching the Kings now I think they offer Byfield and a bit more and see what happens. Kings are actually within range of a playoff spot and Eichel might put the Kings over the top for the 4 seed.
Last thought if Wild were to make a offer for Eichel, it probably starts with Rossi and Wild 21 and 22 first and then keep adding. Wild would probably need to move Dumba for cap space and assets to include in the deal, IMO.</div></div>
Agree with everything you said, although i do hope our gm has the stones to stick to his guns if its byfield or laf/kk. Many sabres fans, myself included, thought the worst crime of the ror trade was taking stl 4th best prospect. Hes awful, like just awful, but you cant teach tall. Hope you guys get a franchise center soon, it sucks wandering the desert, these guys never hit the market- trade or ufa, and its a bugger to hit on one out of the top 5.