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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2022 at 10:01 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Theozler</b></div><div>You can’t just magically make cap room appear. So while teams would love marner , is it worth destroying your depth for him?

As for the wingers, few arguments: all three of those wingers won hart trophies so they are a level above marner. Also let’s look at the team around them: hawks, really the only true exception so I won’t go over them Capitals, ovechkin best player but they never got over the hump until they had two top centers, prior to that they were out round 2 or less every year. Tampa: one, vas is their best player, he just is. And they had comparable stars at c and d. So really outside of Chicago you needed the c and/or d to win the cups. Pens: malkin Crosby, wings: datsyuk, zetterberg, lidstrom. Bruins: Bergeron, krejci, chara, Thomas. Kings:kopitar, doughty, quick. I mean we can go back to the 50s, there are teams that have won with maybe a very good w, but the almost always had better or comparable stars at c,d, and g. But there’s many examples where they had clear stars at the other three positions and the w was maybe their 5th best player.</div></div>

Firstly, I was mostly making a point about how wingers absolutely can be the top stars on teams. It wasn't necessarily to say Marner specifically is able to be the top star of a cup winning team, although I do think he is personally.

Ovi is the only one who won a Hart earlier in his Career than Marner is currently. Kane won his at 27 and Kucherov at 25, meanwhile Marner is 25 and is definately within the realm of winning a Hart if the stars aline (one thing going against him is that Marner success will usually equal Matthews success). I wouldnt say that Marner is a tier below those guys just because he hasnt won a Hart. FYI, he has averaged 102 points per 82 games since his ELC. Kane averaged

In terms of the team around them, it doesnt matter what position the best player is since you need a well rounded team to win in the NHL. You show me a good cup winning team and I will show you a good C and W pairing. Mackinnon/Raantanen, Stamkos/Kucherov, Backstrom/Ovi, even Toews/Kane.. The only exception I can think of is Crosby tbh.

I think something that I should say as well is that sometimes a high end winger will make a good center look great. A final point I will make too, is that I purposely left out that defense isnt important. Defense is by far the most important thing in winning cups imo. I think this can be seen by the Cs you listed that didnt really have elite wingers. Datsyuk/Zetterberg, Crosby, Bergeron, O'Reilly.. They are all defensive centers. The teams that did have elite wingers also had elite defensmen to compensate. Kucherov/Hedman, Kane/Keith, Ovi/Carlson to an extent..

When I say that any team would make room for Marner, he is a top 10 player in the league so most teams getting him would be sending back their best player. No need to make cap room. In hindsight, I will revise my statment, since after thinking about it Edmonton is probably the only team that would not be interested in a Marner trade. So 30/31 teams would be happy to trade for Marner if he were available.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2022 at 4:02 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dls9</b></div><div>I think the best thing for Shane's development would be to go back and play one more year of Junior.

He had 1.5 years of Junior Development ripped away from him because of covid restrictions. He had his WJC ripped away from him because of covid restrictions. I really think the best thing for his development (and also, for him mentally) is to go back and play one more year of Junior/WJC/etc.</div></div>

If you look at his progression over the last season, he caught up quickly. He has a mature size as well at 6'0" 200lbs.

He also only missed 1 year of OHL too, not 1.5 like you mentioned. He has played 121 out of a possible 136 OHL games over two normal seasons. Most draft prospects play less than this when you account for the time missed for the WJC and minor injuries.

He is done with the OHL and it would probably stall his progression if they were to send him back. Ideally, he would spend a year in the AHL but that isnt an option.

One possibility might be to have him play in Seattle until Christmas (about 30 games) and then let him go back to play the WJC and finish the year in the OHL. This would give him the development in the NHL, while also giving him the chance to gain the experience of winning at multiple levels (in my mind he would be traded to the OHLs top team loading up for the Memorial cup). In a perfect world he could even come back to the NHL at the end of the year if Seattle makes the playoffs somehow.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2022 at 3:41 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Theozler</b></div><div>Ok, but you’re missing the other side where it’s extremely undervaluing a guy like weegar.
Here are the issues with the guys presented:
Marner:great player, salary very difficult to move and paid at a rate where he is your top star. Very rarely do you win with a winger as your top star, typically it’s c, d, or g. Position just doesn’t have the effect of the others.

Muzzin: a.ntc b.flat cap makes deal hard to move to a team that would be needing a player like him at his age. Rebuilding squads simply won’t give assets for him.

Tavares:over 30, huge contract, and again wouldn’t waive anyway. If he did, flat cap would make it impossible a team that would want him to acquire him. Rebuilders would not want to give the assets.

Holl:probably gets a couple mid picks. But he’s constantly used to acquire much better defenseman on here which is rubbish</div></div>

Every single team in the league would make room for Marner at his Salary.. to say his contract would be tough to move is crazy..

You say "You rarely win with a winger as your top star" meanwhile you have Kucherov, Ovechkin and Kane who have been the top stars on 5 of the last 10 cup winners...

You are clearly blinded by your Leafs hate.

Also,
The leafs will happily keep Muzzin and move Holl instead if Muzzin doesnt return assets. He is still a quality top 4 defensman and only has 2 years left on his deal. The leaf's don't need a ton of cap space and have multiple options of obtaining it.

Tavares is literally producing the same as he has essentially his whole career. He has always been roughly a point per game player. Is he overpaid? Probably slightly, but he would still fetch $8M-9M on a 3 year deal if he was a UFA today. Again, most teams would give assets if he was available.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 26, 2022 at 3:32 p.m.