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sedin33

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Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 12:35
Thread: Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>I'm not so sure why it's so difficult for you to understand that Sutter is not worth his contract, you're retaining on his deal, and you aren't getting anything significant back - the definition of a cap dump. Edmonton doesn't even have to move Turris to fit Sutter in, so even more reason for Edmonton to NOT include Turris as a "cap dump" as you're saying, while having to also give Vancouver a solid prospect for no reason. Just because you're the one making the deal and clearly not making playoffs doesn't mean that every other team has to help you out. Think of this deal from the other side, if you were an Edmonton fan and not a Vancouver fan.. you'd be outraged to give up a top prospect. It's not just about your favourite team's need, it has to work for both sides. &amp; this trade has no logic to it at all.</div></div>

I'll explain this very simply to you. Vancouver doesn't need to move Sutter. His contract expires in a month! He is only being traded because someone wants him. Therefore, he is not a cap dump. A cap dump is a team that needs to unload a salary. By definition Vancouver doesn't need to do that.

You confusing this with Turris. Vancouver doesn't need nor want him and more importantly can't afford him. However, Oilers' fans keep adding him to a Sutter deal. The post is a response to the multiple trade proposals for Sutter that include Turris. The only way we would take Turris is outlined.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 12:09
Thread: Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>Is Sutter worth his $4.375M AAV contract? No. Are you trading him with retention on his deal? Yes. Are you acquiring any salary or good prospects back in the deal? No. --- that my friend, is the exact definition of a cap dump.

I'm not saying that Edmonton isn't interested in Sutter, all I was saying is that your trade logic is terrible. Turris isn't a cap dump when they can bury 65% of his contract in the minors or taxi squad (they can send him down and only anything over $1.075M counts against the cap - making his cap hit $575K which is less than a league minimum contract). &amp; that is not worth a B prospect who has shown a ton of progression in his game. Regardless if Vancouver wants Turris or not. If they don't want him, don't acquire him. Edmonton could maneuver around the cap without moving Turris. Which goes back to my original point that your trade logic is terrible.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JmoneyTalk</b></div><div>Even if none of Turris' salary was retained its so low a B prospect to move him is to much. Plus McLeod is an above average prospect right now, whom is projected to take the 3rd line center position as soon as need season. Sutter at 50% IF the Oilers can find room works but if not it's not worth losing a good prospect over. If a deal can't be made the Oilers have 3 other players they are pursuing</div></div>

Hockey Nerd. Sutter has 1 month remaining on his contract and Vancouver is not making the playoffs. There is no need to dump the salary. I'm not sure why that is difficult for you to understand.

Jmoney, fair point. As I said, it could be any B level prospect not necessarily McLeod.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar 31 at 11:41
Thread: Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>This entire deal makes no sense.

You say moving Sutter at 50% retained is equal to a 4th round pick (basically a cap dump), but then the price to move Turris who's deal is less at $1.65M but just has an extra year of control costs a good prospect? Both contracts have roughly the same amount of real money left on them so there's no economically value to either side either. You could make a good argument that Sutter retained at 50% straight up for Turris is equal value as it is. Sutter being the slightly better player, but Turris having more team control. But the difference is far from a prospect like McLeod.</div></div>

I can't believe how wrong this post is. First, Sutter is on an expiring deal with one month remaining in the season. He isn't a cap dump. Edmonton is rumored to be very interested in him. The rumored deal is Sutter at 50% for a 4th.

Second, Vancouver is a cap team and doesn't have any room this year and not projected to have any room next year and DOESN'T WANT OR NEED TURRIS. To help Edmonton, we could take Turris at 900K for a B prospect. Maybe insert a different prospect, but the point is the same.

Vancouver would be happy to trade Sutter @ 50% for the 4th.