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sedin33
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Armchair-GM
Mar 31 at 12:35
Thread:
Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>I'm not so sure why it's so difficult for you to understand that Sutter is not worth his contract, you're retaining on his deal, and you aren't getting anything significant back - the definition of a cap dump. Edmonton doesn't even have to move Turris to fit Sutter in, so even more reason for Edmonton to NOT include Turris as a "cap dump" as you're saying, while having to also give Vancouver a solid prospect for no reason. Just because you're the one making the deal and clearly not making playoffs doesn't mean that every other team has to help you out. Think of this deal from the other side, if you were an Edmonton fan and not a Vancouver fan.. you'd be outraged to give up a top prospect. It's not just about your favourite team's need, it has to work for both sides. & this trade has no logic to it at all.</div></div>
I'll explain this very simply to you. Vancouver doesn't need to move Sutter. His contract expires in a month! He is only being traded because someone wants him. Therefore, he is not a cap dump. A cap dump is a team that needs to unload a salary. By definition Vancouver doesn't need to do that.
You confusing this with Turris. Vancouver doesn't need nor want him and more importantly can't afford him. However, Oilers' fans keep adding him to a Sutter deal. The post is a response to the multiple trade proposals for Sutter that include Turris. The only way we would take Turris is outlined.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 31 at 12:09
Thread:
Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>Is Sutter worth his $4.375M AAV contract? No. Are you trading him with retention on his deal? Yes. Are you acquiring any salary or good prospects back in the deal? No. --- that my friend, is the exact definition of a cap dump.
I'm not saying that Edmonton isn't interested in Sutter, all I was saying is that your trade logic is terrible. Turris isn't a cap dump when they can bury 65% of his contract in the minors or taxi squad (they can send him down and only anything over $1.075M counts against the cap - making his cap hit $575K which is less than a league minimum contract). & that is not worth a B prospect who has shown a ton of progression in his game. Regardless if Vancouver wants Turris or not. If they don't want him, don't acquire him. Edmonton could maneuver around the cap without moving Turris. Which goes back to my original point that your trade logic is terrible.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JmoneyTalk</b></div><div>Even if none of Turris' salary was retained its so low a B prospect to move him is to much. Plus McLeod is an above average prospect right now, whom is projected to take the 3rd line center position as soon as need season. Sutter at 50% IF the Oilers can find room works but if not it's not worth losing a good prospect over. If a deal can't be made the Oilers have 3 other players they are pursuing</div></div>
Hockey Nerd. Sutter has 1 month remaining on his contract and Vancouver is not making the playoffs. There is no need to dump the salary. I'm not sure why that is difficult for you to understand.
Jmoney, fair point. As I said, it could be any B level prospect not necessarily McLeod.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 31 at 11:41
Thread:
Fine well take Turris
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey_Nerd</b></div><div>This entire deal makes no sense.
You say moving Sutter at 50% retained is equal to a 4th round pick (basically a cap dump), but then the price to move Turris who's deal is less at $1.65M but just has an extra year of control costs a good prospect? Both contracts have roughly the same amount of real money left on them so there's no economically value to either side either. You could make a good argument that Sutter retained at 50% straight up for Turris is equal value as it is. Sutter being the slightly better player, but Turris having more team control. But the difference is far from a prospect like McLeod.</div></div>
I can't believe how wrong this post is. First, Sutter is on an expiring deal with one month remaining in the season. He isn't a cap dump. Edmonton is rumored to be very interested in him. The rumored deal is Sutter at 50% for a 4th.
Second, Vancouver is a cap team and doesn't have any room this year and not projected to have any room next year and DOESN'T WANT OR NEED TURRIS. To help Edmonton, we could take Turris at 900K for a B prospect. Maybe insert a different prospect, but the point is the same.
Vancouver would be happy to trade Sutter @ 50% for the 4th.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 6:44
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>Motte is a year from FA and being overpaid. I'd rather have MacEwen who's an RFA</div></div>
True, but Motte is a good trade chip and a better option for the playoffs. MacEwen is not even a replacement level player yet.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 6:16
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>If Virtanen is gone Pettersson, Boeser, Miller, Horvat, Gaudette, Lind, and MacEwen are protected. I wouldn't protect Motte over any of those guys</div></div>
Motte > MacEwen. I think Motte > VIrtanen as well.
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Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 5:48
Thread:
Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>Virtanen is gonna be traded and Motte probably goes to Seattle. I'd also rather sign Oleksiak instead of McCabe</div></div>
0 chance Motte goes to Seattle
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 5:39
Thread:
Next season
I think Demko gets <$4M on a 2 year deal. You're not buying any UFA years on that term.
I think Pettersson gets a little more than Barzal on a 3 year deal. Maybe $7.5M/year. I think Hughes gets less than Pettersson. You could be right on these two, but that would represent quite a bit of salary inflation for bridge deals and I don't see that in a flat cap world.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 1:41
Thread:
Trade Deadline
Vancouver declines easily
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 11:09
Thread:
Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mattkenn</b></div><div>Why would they not lol? They not making the playoffs. Sutter isn't worth that much on the market.
They get:
- An RFA protected decent 3rd liner that will not cost much.
- Potentially Turris turning things around with a home coming on your 4th.
- A High pick for taking Turris salary next year
Do you prefer a 5th round pick?</div></div>
A high pick for taking Turris’ salary? A 7th round is the lowest pick you can give. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes a 5th round pick would be preferable
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 30 at 10:51
Thread:
Deadline
why would Vancouver do that deal? Easy pass
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 6:51
Thread:
Dahlin
Title should read "Why we hate Leafs fans"
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 6:21
Thread:
Its worth thinking about
Ambulance chaser!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 4:16
Thread:
next year
Can't afford Kerfoot. Pass
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 2:50
Thread:
2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zmach</b></div><div>How do you know what the Canucks will be in 2022-23?</div></div>
Didn't recognize that this was for 2022-23. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore this thread cause it's inane to me.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 2:16
Thread:
2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fedorov91</b></div><div>Yup best insider in the nhl or some random guy who doesn't think a team would do this. I'll go with logic and fridge</div></div>
LOL, the Canucks aren't buyers at the TDL and certainly won't pay a 2nd for Khaira because it doesn't make sense logically.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 2:11
Thread:
2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fedorov91</b></div><div>I think I would go with fridge and his insight over the cf world</div></div>
Or you could use logic
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 2:08
Thread:
2022-23
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fedorov91</b></div><div>From @FriedgeHNIC's 31 Thoughts: the Glendening trade market seems to be well-poised for Yzerman to get a solid return, especially if Edmonton's worry is being outbid. I don't think a 2nd round pick is out of the question.
Gonna pay more per fridge</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fedorov91</b></div><div>Go read fridges column today and all the talks are he's going to get a 2nd or 3rd and edm is in the lead. You should set yourself up for disappoinment if you don't want it to happen</div></div>
Not for teams that are going to miss the playoffs and don't have a lot of cap space.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 1:57
Thread:
I need help
Sounds cliche, but take a deep breath and don't think about the future. Focus on the present. Listen to music, go for a walk, spend some time in nature. Everything passes.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 12:01
Thread:
Sutter In
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tarlam01</b></div><div>Bad contract? 2m is a bargain compared to a lot of your guys rn. Might just take what you could have for Sutter and try moving a guy like Beagle to a tyeam this summer (With only 1 year left to his contract I'm sure someone will be interested like tbh as a habs fan I'd take him if it wasn't for his 3m contract)</div></div>
You're making my point. We already have enough bad contracts and can't afford Turris or Khaira. Also agree that Beagle might be tradeable.
Would rather retain 50% of Sutter this year than take any contracts for next
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 10:14
Thread:
Go for it this year
Why does Benn need to be waived?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 29 at 8:41
Thread:
Sutter In
Vancouver declines. Team can’t afford to take on bad contracts for next year.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 27 at 8:51
Thread:
crazy ideas
Not sure what a Vancouver is getting in that deal. Easy pass
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 26 at 8:02
Thread:
22 Stop Gap Contenders
Switch Roussel for Beagle and then maybe
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 24 at 11:16
Thread:
Cheaper bottom 6 and D changes
Huge overpay for Demko.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar 23 at 3:09
Thread:
Eichel during off season
Rather have Miller
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