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Forum: Site DiscussionFri. at 2:42 p.m.
Thread: Resolved Draft Pick Conditions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>&gt;&gt;&gt; Brandon Hagel trade on March 18th, 2022

Tampa's 1st round pick for 2024 is outside of the Top 10

Chicago received Tampa's 2024 1st.



&gt;&gt;&gt; Nils Lundkvist trade on September 19th, 2022

Nils Lundkvist failed to accumulate 55 points during the 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 regular seasons

Dallas sends their 4th round pick for 2025



&gt;&gt;&gt; Patrick Kane trade on February 28th, 2023

Nils Lundkvist failed to accumulate 55 points during the 2022-2023 and 2023-2024 regular seasons

ARI received NYR 3rd round pick for 2025



&gt;&gt;&gt; Tyler Bertuzzi trade on March 2nd, 2023

Boston's 1st round pick for 2024 is outside of the Top 10

Detroit received Boston's 2024 1st



&gt;&gt;&gt; Anthony Beauvillier trade on November 28th, 2023

Vancouver received Chicago's 2024 5th



&gt;&gt;&gt; Nikita Zadorov trade on November 30th, 2023

Calgary received Chicago's 2024 5th</div></div>

These picks have all previously been update to no longer show conditional and have their updated owners.

The only one I don't follow is the Patrick Kane trade. The condition is Arizona will receive the better of either NYR or DAL 3rd round picks. This won't be known until next year.
Forum: NHLThu. at 5:09 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 1:57 p.m.
Thread: Looks like a trade for Chychrun this offseason is all but certain
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>No one’s is gonna pay more then what it took you guys to acquire him, especially since you guys got him with 2 yrs left not just a potential rental.

I think Chychrun is starting to get very overrated, everyone hyped him up so much and then he got traded for half the return everyone thought Arizona would get even though there was lots of teams interested in him so maybe that goes to show what GM’s around the league value him at.

That being said I do really like Chychrun but I think he’s a better #3 then top pair dman unless he’s got a very solid d partner</div></div>

I think a top 12 pick and two 2nds, one of which had the potential to convert to a 1st, was good compensation for Chychrun. I dont think Ottawa would be looking for more than what they paid either.

This package has Samoskevich who is in no way better than the 12th pick Ottawa gave up or But who was picked in that slot and the 2nds arent better than the 2nds Ottawa gave up either so I'm not sure how you could make the argument that this is more than what they gave up.

If a trade is made this offseason whatever team picks him up has the same opportunity to re-sign him that Ottawa did and I'm sure he would be willing the same way he's willing to sign in Ottawa. But if someone like Walker can get a 1st back as a rental then I think it's reasonable for Ottawa to expect a decent return at the deadline and that an entire season of Chychrun should net a bit more than that.

I still wholeheartedly think he should be re-signed because I agree that he's a great 2nd pair guy and Ottawa has Sanderson on the first pair so the role should be perfect for him. Should move Chabot instead.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:09 p.m.
Thread: big offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>1. If we trade Chychrun, the other team will be getting a full season out of him + an extension.

Vegas only got Hanifin for about 20 games before extending him.



2. Chychrun produced more than any other Sens defenceman on the powerplay both per 60 minutes and throughout the course of the season.

IMO, that should make him the best Sens defenceman on the PP.



3. If Ottawa completely flops on trading or extending Chychrun, then Steve Staios is Pierre Dorion 2.0.</div></div>

I think the primary point of value in both the hanafin &amp; cychyrun deals (if they are both signing 8 year deals) is going to lie in the 8 years of contract they are signing, not the 20-40 or 60 games they play before that. Its maybe a small added bonus, but not the primary value of the deal.

chychun may have produced the most, but i dont think he was at all the most valuable piece on the PP. Our PP structure relies on the defensemen being able to facilitate play from the middle, and to me he was the 4th best at doing that behind chabot sanderson and even brannstrom in his super limited PP time. His PP value lies in his shooting, and because hes a shooter hes likely going to get more points than the facilitators.

I dont think you can at all put staios (whos likely not going to be the GM anyways) into the same conversation as dorion if a chychrun trade flops, especially given people on this website are setting insane expectations on what a return is going to look like. PD pigeonholed him by acquiring a d-man we didnt need at an insane price, hes just cleaning up the mess and situating this team for a better outlook