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Forum: Armchair-GMJun 23 at 1:23
Thread: Fair Eichel Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bdb</b></div><div>Appreciate the feedback but..... :)

All of TB players also have the advantage of playing on the deepest most talented team in the league. I agree sergachev is a top 4 dman and Cirelli looks like a top 6 forward but there are many players in the league like that. Will they become more? Eichel is one of the few franchise players in the league.

Coleman is a nice player but a UFA in a year makes him expendable, could easily be a different player that helps make the cap work for TB.</div></div>

How do I put this......

Tampa doesn't do that for McDavid. It doesn't matter how deep the team is. You are asking for 4 players under 25 years old, 3 of whom we can argue forms the next core of the team, and seem to have chemistry because they produce.

No team in their right mind moves that sort of depth for a single player. No team. Karlsson (who at the time of that deal was one of the best in the NHL) didn't come remotely close to garnering that package.

You're assesment of the market is off, as is your worth of Eichel's value to Tampa. Brisebois isn't going to blow up his team because Eichel is a possibility. Because after that deal...... Tampa is left with what to go around Eichel?

Again..... take everyone's feedback and rework the deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 23 at 1:06
Thread: Fair Eichel Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bdb</b></div><div>Disagree on the overpay sentiment, Sergachev and Cirelli are nice pieces but still relatively unproven. Point is a beast but Eichel is on another level.

Tampa gets better too in this deal. Be curious to see what sabres and lightning fans think.</div></div>

I would hardly call Sergachev unproven at this stage of his career. He has absolutely estavlished himself as a top 4 defenseman - and at only 21, there is everybreason to believe he will be top 2. I might agree with you on Cirelli.

However, to ask for both Cirelli <em>and</em> Point is simply overstepping the bounds of making this deal fair. To add Coleman just makes it ridiculous.

I think we all understand it is going to take an outstanding package to land Eichel if he was to move, but if I was Brisebois I would be blocking Kevyn's number after that. Eichel to Point is about a 30 point difference, and certainly doesn't justify the numerous additions.

In short, you asked a Cirelli too much, and offered a player too little.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 2:13
Thread: Ideal Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheJoeMan</b></div><div>Obviously I disagree. His point-totals look okay, I guess, but it's play that's striking to me. He shows a clear lack of effort these days and all the losing doesn't seem to bother him. That's unacceptable from your captain. I mean if he actually wanted to play another year at like 3 mil that would be that big of a deal but at that point I feel like you'd be doing it just for old time's sake. Better to just move on and use that money and roster spot on someone younger and pass the torch to the next captain.</div></div>

I am a strong proponent of moving him now. But, as it's been pointed out he doesn't want to go. Which if your oberservation is correct, seems odd.

But, if he doesn't want to go, then make lemonade. Depending on the development of Steel at al., I would be open to a 1 year deal. Could do far worse.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:56
Thread: Leafs 20-21 One trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>No reason Mango needs to go. Smart positioning can alleviate all but if someone needs to go there are other options. Plus Dubas tends to do well on trades (People try to retcon this fact but it is true) so I fully trust he will get good value. Certainly more than this site (who thought Nylander was worth a 2nd and Jensen) thinks.

Additionally, Mango played on Matthews wing all last year. He can hang full time.
It also isn't potential that a team would be paying for. He was hampered by injuries all year but he has already shown what he can do. All he needs is his health, not growth (not that I'd complain if he continued to grow).</div></div>

Would live for him to stay. Just don't see that in the cards, despite how good the Dubas camp has been in managing cap and getting return on deals.

All I can say is that given Mango's body of work, I think you maybe over valuing him. I can see the Arvidsson comparision, but he has yet to reach that level - citing injuries that will hamper value a little too.

What I can say definitively is this: you see in Johnsson what I see in Kapanen. I don't see it as necessarily wrong. It's a function of gauging a messed up market because of a flat cap.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:44
Thread: Leafs 20-21 One trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Yeah, listening to CF's opinion on player evaluations is your first mistake. Listening to CF's opinion's on Leafs trade evaluations was your second mistake.
Mango can play on a 2nd line and is basically a discount Victor Arvidsson. Even at his low point right now (thanks mostly to his injury troubles this year I will remind) he easily gets a 2nd.
His real value is much higher though so I wouldn't move him until next year so he can recoup value, or for a team willing to pay full value (late 1st +).</div></div>

Lmao! I don't listen to CF opinions that much. Most are out to lunch lol.

Yes, Mango can play 2nd line, but it has yet to be proven that he can on a full time basis. Given that a contract has to move, and the depth on the left side, Mango is likely to go, selling lo nor not.

Evaluating Johnsson is a balance of where he is (me), and where he maybe (you). Teams won't pay much more for potential in a 25 year old. That's just reality.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:35
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:32
Thread: Ideal Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheJoeMan</b></div><div>Is that a joke? Getzy's game has declined hard. I love him and will be first in line for his jersey retirement one day but if his play continues to decline I will be pretty upset if he gets another contract from us. But then again I'm convinced he wants to play behind next year anyway.</div></div>

Not a joke. Not saying he is worth $8 million anymore, but a 40-50 point season at 35 years old is still very effective. Hell, those are better numbers than some 2nd line centres in the league. Not that far off Thornton numbers at that age despite inferior linemates.......

Obviously his game is in decline. He's 35 lol. But if he can come out this year and put up a similar season next yeat, would a 1 year deal at around $3 million be the worst thing the Ducks could do? I think not.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:18
Thread: Leafs 20-21 One trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random_guy159</b></div><div>nah the defense is good enough. If we want an RD he should be a top 3 defenseman who would be good with Rielly. Trade johnsson for a better 3rd Centre</div></div>

Not sure Johnsson gets you a "better" 3rd line centre. Think that's the issue. Kerfoot for my money was fine last year considering his linemates were in constant flux. Where I would normally agree that playing with different linemates is part of the game, just seemed that 3rd line was an ongoing experiment trying to recapture a Kadri-unit lile offense, which probably won't ever happen. The Leafs could certainly look for a cheaper option, just not sure it's a better option.

I really like that Johnsson deal frankly. Given the depth the Ducks have on the wings I am not sure they do it, but the offensive upgrade Johnsson represents they certainly consider it. Deslauriers is a great option on the 4th line. It's outside the box, which is 100% refreshing.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:09
Thread: musings
Robertson is such an intriguing prospect, but I really don't think he should be on the team next year.... loaning him to a Euro team next year to play a season among men would be a much better direction as to not rush him. It's not as if the depth isn't there to properly develop him.

Also, Engvall will make this team - whether that be on the 3rd of 4th unit. His transition play is strong, and would add an element to either line.

Not too sure what this fascination is about a RD. Dermott and Holl may not ne the most ideal solution, but both were playing top 4 minutes and doing so well. Have become a proponent of not making a move on the blueline and letting things play out, as trying to upgrade in every scenario thins this team's bottom six out. A starving Peter to save Paul situation.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 17 at 12:36
Thread: The boys are back in town
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MG1986</b></div><div>The fact that Luke Fox even gave any credence to such a thought, the Leafs taking back Bozak, is quite ridiculous, in my opinion. The Leafs had every opportunity to match the Blues offer when Bozak had hit free agency, and he and his wife were very happy in Toronto, yet Toronto chose to go in a different direction because of the salary cap problems they were having then. Just look at the cap problems they are having now. They could find a much better, cheaper and younger center to fill 3C duties.</div></div>

In all fairness, when there is no news you have to create news.🤣🤣🤣

Next week he'll be writing about how Drake Berehowsky would be a solution on the Leafs right side🤣🤣🤣🤣
Forum: Armchair-GMJun 14 at 7:05
Thread: Habs Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>The trick with the Staal line's offense is their often put out with Dougie Hamilton and Jaccob Slavin, who will overtake a game. Dzingel - Haula - Necas was a solid line early in the season, probably our best line early. I don't actually think Trocheck is the biggest of upgrades on Haula. It was a nice trade because Haula was gone at the end of the season, but it's not world-beating. Trocheck's had injury issues and had a tough time getting back to the career year he had. It's not an ideal fit for a 2C. He's a nice RH forward for a team that only had RH forwards without him, Necas and Williams. Another scorer is needed if you expect him to just put up the numbers he has done in the past 2 years he had with Florida.</div></div>

Hard to say no to that. I just have a lot.of faith that Necas is really that guy. But, insurance policies are always nice. Gotta think Skjei can land a decent top 6 guy...... wonder if Palmeiri could be had for Skjei and some nice qindow dressing🤔🤔🤔🤔