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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsThu at 1:04 am
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 29 at 7:53
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 27 at 5:57
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>How are you discussing points and comparing a defensive player to a top line winger? doesn't make sense

Bouchard is also better then Sandin hands down....don't know anyone who would rather have Sandin over Bouchard. There is a reason one was drafted in the top 10 and the other almost didn't make the 1st round. Now, there development paths are different and they are different types of players but Bouchard should by all accounts at this point be the clear better player.</div></div>

Im using points to demonstrate value. That is perfectly applicable for a forward. A 90+ point forward has incredible value, therefore Marner has incredible value.

Bouchard is also not universally accepted as a much better prospect than Sandin.

The three prospect rankings i could find all have Bouchard lower than Sandin.

Corey Pronman of The Atheltic who specializes in prospects has Sandin listed as the 10th best prospect in the NHL as of about 5 weeks ago. He ranks the players as well as classing them in tiers. Sandin is in the High-end NHL prospect Tier which is define as - Projects as a first-line forward, a top-pair defenseman or a top 10 starting goaltender. Bouchard is in the tier below and is number 22 on the list. falling in the very good NHL prospect tier, defined as - Projects as a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or starting goaltender in the NHL.


Craig Button (not the best at ranking in my opinion) as of Jan 8th has Sandin ranked as the 6th best prospect in the NHL and Bouchard doesn't even make his list of top 50.

TheHockeyWriters.com Prospect Specialist has Sandin at number 17 and Bouchard at 25. Sandin rose significantly compared to the last edition and Bouchard fell slightly from his previous position.

Those are the three ranking i could find and they all have Sandin above Bouchard. If you don't like those list, i would argue that Bouchard and Sandin both have at least equal value.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 26 at 9:47
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 26 at 1:58
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Leafs fans need to come to grips that investing 1/2 your cap in 4 forwards isn't a winning forumla...it's really that simple. That said, not sure which 4 makes the most sense to move, I'd say Marner but certainly I am far from the best judge.

I hear what people say about developing prospects and that is important but let's be honest, what top 3 guy do the Leafs have on D as a prospect? It's a pretty all order to assume Liljegren is the answer. He may end up being a very solid #4 guy, and realistically, I could see that happening which is great, but who else is in the system that can be a top 3? Why not go after one of the Oilers top prospects like Bouchard or Broberg?</div></div>

Sandin has a higher ceiling than Liljegren as of now. I would be happy with Liljegren playing a top 4 role in a year or so. He will be a solid bottom pairing D next year. I think Sandin has top pairing potential.

I like the idea of going after Bouchard. I dont think trading one of Nylander or Marner should be the cost though. If Bouchard was guaranteed to be a top 4 from next year on and grow into a top pair I would think about it, but i wouldn't want to risk Bouchard not reaching his potential.

I want to leverage Nick Robertson and picks/middle six forwards into a highly touted defense prospect. I want Soderstrom or Lundkvist or Bouchard, etc. Lundkvist might be the most available since the Rangers seem to have a jam at RHD, if they choose to keep DeAngelo.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 16 at 3:04
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb 16 at 2:24