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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:33 p.m.
Thread: Young players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tkecanuck341</b></div><div>Doughty has never played a single game on the left in his career. Why would you want to put an elite defenseman anywhere other than where he is the most comfortable?



I've never understood this argument. Just because there may or may not be enough room for certain prospects doesn't mean that the Kings are going to throw them away for less than their value before they've had their chance to peak. Especially with the recent surgery news, Chychrun isn't worth 4 valuable pieces. I'd concur with the others that the best I would do is a conditional 1st + Turcotte + Walker.</div></div>

Doughty can play defense from a forward position, he will likely always play LD, my point is with the emergence of all these RDs, our need is actually a veteran shutdown left-defenseman. Chychrun and Roy would be fantastic together, but long term I'm happier staying pat.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:20 p.m.
Thread: Young players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PuckLuck_77</b></div><div>Like csick said above, the three you mentioned play the opposite side.

There's no doubt Chychrun would help LA's team right now. And if the Kings came out of the trade without giving up one of Vilardi or Turcotte, I'd say that's a win. I'd take this deal if I was LA. Pinelli might be good, but he's likely never going to compete for 2C. And the Kings have plenty of 3C. The only two pieces I'd really miss here are Spence (who's easily replaceable since Clarke, Durzi and Grans are all part of LA's system) and the 1st round pick, because like everyone else I'm very high on this year's draft. Walker is the odd-man out, but helps both the LA salary position, as well as giving the Coyotes an NHL-caliber play to ice while they go through their rebuild... It's nice to tank and all, but there are still 82 games that need to be played.

At the current price, though, I doubt Arizona accepts this.</div></div>

Remember Roy played time on the left-side just fine. We are just seeing the beginning of what Clarke, Durzi, and Spence can provide at budget contracts, we need time to see these players and really identify who has the best ceiling. Roy, Walker, and Doughty have each played their offside and we still have Bjornfot, Moverare, and Nousiainen coming.

My question is would you be ok moving Spence after he as a first year pro exploded on the scene for 3-2.5 years of Chychrun who could continue to decline offensively? I think we have to hold on to Clarke, Durzi, and Spence. We have the ability to wait and this team was still solid defensively playing these young guys.

Also didn't Chychrun have 2 surgeries in the offseason?
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 12:00 p.m.
Thread: Kings wrap up their rebuild but wont in reality
Kings finish their rebuild, become competitive and you have them retain 8.9M in cap space, take on nearly $15M cap hit for goalies, Lose their top line center, lose two of their best defensemen in Roy and Doughty, and greatly depreciate their center depth and force Byfield into playing bigger minutes before he is ready. Big No's here.

Brown, Doughty, Kopitar, and Quick were asked at the begining to the rebuild if they wanted to play elsewhere during a rebuild. All declined, all are committed to winning again with the Kings. Each of these 4 players have played their enitre career for the Kings and are likely to get their number retired. No way Blake would do such an unpopular move as Quick played our starting goaltender in every playoff game, Kopitar played top-line center and led the Kings in points for most of the last decade (including last season), and Doughty was on-track for his best season in a decade before going down with his injury. This is not only veteran presence and established leaders, these are still the Kings best players until their replacements take their job from them you can't entertain moving them. And even then there isn't much time left on the contracts other than Doughty.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 6:26 p.m.
Thread: Chychrun run 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Yeah, it makes for solid chemistry, but I wouldn't call them elite by any means. If the goatending turns into a pumpkin, and it very well could, that could hurt some of their numbers as well</div></div>

It doesn't need to be elite, the Kings have always been stingy in allowing goals having two Selke caliber forwards to support defensive efforts is why the Kings were in the bottom 10 of teams in goals allowed, if they can continue that and improve offensively (hopefully yes moving from Athanasiou to Fiala) this should still be a playoff bound team. I think for this season my concern is more on grit, goaltending, and the team gelling offensively. Defense proved last year lots of combinations, the system works.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 6:12 p.m.
Thread: Chychrun run 3
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>Better shape defensively? I guess from a health perspective, but we don't know if Durzi will necessarily take a step. Plus, it's hard to say how Walker will perform after a year being injured</div></div>

The Kings even decimated by injuries were a top-10 <a href="https://www.statmuse.com/nhl/ask?q=nhl+team+with+best+defensive+ranking+2021-2022" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">defensive team</a>, offensively they struggled, but having a healthy Doughty and Walker should not be understated.

To give you an idea of the injuries, here are the games played by Kings Defense last season:

Tobias Bjornfot: 70
Matt Roy: 67
Olli Maata: 66
Sean Durzi: 64
Mikey Anderson: 57
Alex Edler: 41
Drew Doughty: 39
Jordan Spence: 24
Jacob Moverare: 19
Troy Stecher: 13
Kale Clague: 11
Christian Wolanin: 8
Austin Strand: 8
Sean Walker:6
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 5:07 p.m.
Thread: keeping me up at night
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lambchopz</b></div><div>Why does everyone think Roy is a necessity to pickup? He is a slightly better but more expensive Holl. Averages less TOI/GP, has slightly better analytical results, less points, less hits and blocked shots, has a worse giveaway-takeaway ratio, and his microstats aren’t better. I would rather have Roy than Holl, but a 1.25 mil pay gap is barely worth it. Roy is very similar to Holl but a little more less prone to giveaways with an even lower offensive value provided</div></div>

Matt Roy isn't for sale, but I think I can answer the why.

Matt Roy took over Drew Doughty's role last season and had some incredibly hard assignments. Matt Roy is a pure defensive defenseman and would be seen to open up a more offensive type player (Muzzin or Morgan). To put it into perspective 36 year old Alex Edler rebounded offensively the moment he was paired with Matt Roy.

If you are looking to move Muzzin next season, Roy would artificially boost his defensive numbers and set him up better offensively. Unfortunately, Matt Roy is one of the few defensive defensemen we can rely on against extremely tough competition, so it's a no go.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 7:55 p.m.
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