Mar 25, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyplayer1</b></div><div>The players that Chicago has signed as European free agents came to Chicago because they believed they'd get a real shot at playing games in the NHL. And they all did.
Panarin, Kempny, Kampf, Rutta, Kahun, Gustafsson, Raanta, Tikhonov, Rasmussen, even Nilsson got 2 games and he's a bottom 6 AHL guy. And these are just players in the last 5 years.
Tikhonov and Rasmussen are not NHL caliber players and probably never were. But they all got a real shot at playing in the NHL with the Hawks.
Kempny had a rough go but ultimately the Hawks traded him into a position where he could excel and he has and got paid. Rutta got paid by the Hawks for no reason last year and then was traded. Raanta is a starter in the NHL now. Gustafsson struggled to get a lot of ice time under Q for reasons everyone is aware of, but he still played 41 games his first year.
The rest of the players are going to have decent and well paying careers in the NHL. That is what players are looking for when they come over from Europe as UFA.</div></div>
Some just looking for a chance, but not all by far. Panarin, Kahun, Gus, Wedin, Mikheyev and many more, they have options, in some instances as many as 20-30 teams chasing them.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Kahun played for Germany at worlds and Kubliak Czech. However, they did play together in Sudbury. I get what you're saing. I am indeed curious about how the European players would view CHI. Panarin is clearly an outlier, but he's not mad at all. Even bought Kane a Rolex because Bowman played him in the 82nd second game of the year (which he didn't have to). Yes it took the very last game for Panarin to make his max bonus. Kempny also got a big extension and Rutta's made Millions. I actually think they view CHI quite favorably still. no?</div></div>
Kahun, has German citizenship, but he is CZ.
Yes, Panarin did buy Kaner a Rolex, but this is because Kaner went out of his way to help him get his bonus, so did the coach, not sure about GM thou. (Kane and Bread are friends and had chemistry and that is not small thing). He never hid his dislike about being traded to CBJ, he is a professional and he wants to succeed and he knows business is business, but if you read between the lines, its obvious. Given the right circumstances would he come back? Probably. But we are not even talking about him, we are talking about others that are looking to come in.
Yes all players you mentioned, did make money one way or another, but there are some kids that want to come here to play on the team they like, not just to play in the NHL. No everyone is out for the money, otherwise Mikheyev would have never picked cap strapped TOR. (most good Suiss and KHL players make more than ELC anyways).
Just saying it will be hard to get new talent to sign, if CHI gets this sign-and-flip reputation, cause they have many options on the table, thats all.
I thought the reason Kubalik was eager to sign with CHI was the fact that Kahun was there (his country man and old body from minors). I guess we will have to wait and see, but I don't like how Stan handled Panarin situation and now now Kahun. Players and agents are looking and taking notes, CHI might have a hard time bringing new talent in from Europe if this sign and flip show continues.
Otherwise, I like this trade. Kahun is great player and has potential, but to be fair he didn't show much playing without Cat and/or Kane on same line. I think he will do fine in PIT, but I don't expect miracles.
Maattaa, might be injured a lot, but should he get healthy he can proof to be a nice shutdown, shot blocking D, CHI has been missing since Hammer departure. I think its a win win.
If anything Kahun is a 3rd - 4th liner, and CHI has plenty of those. It probably shows that CHI is on the move to acquire a winger for 1st line and or C for second and moving Strome to wing. and will be drafting a C, probably Turcotte.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jregs23</b></div><div>Seabrook: Yes he has stated he wants to stay here but looking at the future of the defense there is no room for him on it and he might realize this. What is it going to cost to move him? Who knows but he will ultimately get traded. If he cares about the organization and the future it is heading, then he should waive his NTC.
I just don't think Gus is worth a 1st round pick, especially since he will be commanding a lot more than 1.2 million after the season and he is really only known for his offensive ability and only 1 season where he had 60 points, what if he only has 30 points next season? Is he still worth a 1st? We have a log jam at D and I ultimately think Gus isn't in the hawks future plans. Might as well sell him when his value is at its highest.
The real question with Marleau is would he waive to potentially win a cup or waive to for family reasons? Keep in mind he's in the last year of his deal and if bought out it wouldn't affect the hawks cap. They would still have to carry his full cap hit since its a 35+ contract. So why buy him out when you can use him on the third line?</div></div>
Well, yes, that is the thing if Seabs is not good enough to be 7th D on CHI, he is not likely be good enough to be on any other team and at $7m hit, it will cost CHI a ton of assets to give up. That is if he waives.
CHI will buy out Marleau because it will be part of the deal, since he doesn't want to play here. CHI will be pass thru team, CHI will eat $6m and buy him out so he can sign with LA or SJ at min salary. And that is why CHI will have to demand huge return for this service, since they will not be using Marleau at all.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Foppa21</b></div><div>They're doing their due diligence, as well they should. Top-5 picks don't happen every year for a team...unless of course, you're the Oilers. But I guarantee they'd rather be at 3 and have their choice than be at 10. Same is true for the Avs. As for not getting Turcotte, the Avs made it to the western conference finals this year. A top-5 pick is just the cherry on top. I'll be more than happy with Byram or Dach</div></div>
Yes, they are doing a due diligence, and you know why, because they want to know if those players want to play for them or not. Last thing you want is to draft a player in top 10 and then lose him after 4 years of college to UFA. It happens sometimes. The reason this trade could work with COL, is simple fact that if COL rejects, CHI could make a trade their #10 with LAK#5 (and give all those goodies you were going to get to LAK). Now knowing that CHI is at #5, Turcotte can easily tell COL, don't bother picking me at #4, I have no intention playing for COL and you will have to pretty much draft Duch at #4, which is a way too high for him, the consensus he will go 8-10. So, that is exactly the reason why sometimes you see the draft and wonder, why didn't Team X got Player Y at #Z and that is exactly why, players also have a say and ignoring it is not smart. (not saying that this is what happening, but Turcotte is a CHI boy, grew up cheering for Toews and Kane and attended Cup parades, etc, its his dream to be a Blackhawk).
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jregs23</b></div><div>Q and Seabrook are going to be reunited one way or another. Whether it is this year or down the road.. Also I believe when Seabrook was drafted Tallon was the GM. i would gladly take a either a high draft pick or a High end prospect for Marleau, who is on the last year of his contract and we have the space to take it on. Anisimov is going to get traded (have you even been following the rumors?). Gus will be commanding a big contract and you still have to pay Strome and Debrincat so i think he will be traded</div></div>
So by your reasoning, Boston should grab Lucic while they can because they drafted him? But you right Q will reunite wit him, but it will be in 5 years on a golf course. Seabs is a bad contract but he is staying in CHI and probably until he decides to retire. And even If by some miracle he will agree to go to FL, and FL will want him there, it will cost us a lot more than what you proposing. FL will not be giving as Pysik and 4th, but rather it will be us giving them at least Krys + 2nd + something else just to take him.
Its not AA that I was unhappy with, its Gus, you giving away 60 point producer for 2nd? we can do more, especially if he puts up another good season at TDL we can get 1st ++
And Marleau I'm ok with taking, but they will have to give us someone like Kapanen to take him and buy him out, so he can sign with LA, SJS or AR for maybe $1M
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Foppa21</b></div><div>Take a look at what Ottawa did with the first that they traded us, they kept the 2018 1st because it was a known quantity. A 2020 1st, while potentially decent value, is unknown. You have no idea what value you're getting. Might get you a UFA at the deadline, but we also have our own pick for that. Furthermore, after Kakko and Hughes, Byram and Turcotte are tier 2, with the other players you listed at tier 2.5 if not 3. So if I'm Joe, I'm taking the known value and holding onto pick #4.
That's great that you like Perlini, but again, he's not a need for the Avs. He's an average middle-six winger who gets offensive zone starts for the most part and generally can't control the puck. Just look at his <a href="https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/perlibr01.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">stats</a>. The Avs need a strong two-way centerman or an offense creating winger. Perlini solves neither of those needs.
So to sum it up, we're getting an arguably less promising draft prospect at #12, an unknown quantity in the 2020 1st (not saying it's not valuable), a lower tier prospect, and a defensive liability in Perlini for what could be a top-2 defenseman in Byram or a top 2C in Turcotte. So yeah, that's a no for me.</div></div>
Its #10 not 12. and secondly you make it sound like there is such thing as too many 1st round drafts. 10th gets one of of Duch, Coufield, Krebs, Boldy all are good and similar to Turcotte value. The only reason I want him because he is local boy, that is all. #4 thru #10 is not huge difference this year, and def worth 2nd Wing and Mid 1st rounder in 2020. The agrument is if you really need that exlosive 1D than yes, Byram is your guy at 3, but 4-10 its all good, and either can be a bust, even Turcotte, he already had a serious injury at the age 17, so you know.