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Forum: Armchair-GM9 hours ago
Thread: messing around
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gregb569</b></div><div>franchise goalie for soon to be 30yr old top 6 winger, yeah</div></div>

Zucker turned 28 like a week ago...

Murray has a .900 sv% and is in a tandem with Jerry currently, they also have DeSmith in the AHL. Murray has been better the last few games he's played, but he'll be gone this offseason.

I agree Murray shouldn't be traded during the season. Pit, better than any team knows, the importance of having an insurance policy at goalie come Playoff time. I just wanted to see a different Pit/Zucker trade that wasn't 1st+prospect+Bjustad/Chucky.

Andersen went for a 1st+2nd a few years ago; which is the only goalie to bring back anything in trade return that I can recall in the last few years. Which is basically what Pit/Wild fans agree on for a Zucker trade. Pit just gets to keep those assets and gets rid of an expendable player instead for a player the GM wants (almost desperately it seems).
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 11:14 pm
Thread: Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I think if you move Dumba you'd hope you find a GM sees the last 4 years of his NHL career and values him based off that rather than the first 4 months of this season. I know he had the injury and that's definitely a factor, but everything Dumba used to be is still there if you watch him. Seems like it's all in his head IMO. I also kind of disagree with your right shot winger point. I see really three true centers in the top 10 this year: Byfield, Rossi, and Lundell. Byfield is a pipe dream and likely won't happen and Lundell strikes me as a similar player to Eriksson Ek and I'm sick of these defense-first centers. We need a go-to offensive stud down the middle. To me, that's Marco Rossi. So basically if we don't get Rossi, it's a winger or a D (not that that's a bad thing because I like all of them) meaning I really would push for a center prospect in a hypothetical Brodin or Dumba trade if a prospect is the main piece. Doesn't have to be a right shot, but ideally it would be. Otherwise a hybrid C/W like Necas intrigues the hell out of me if Waddell is as hot on Brodin as it sounds he is...</div></div>

I'm not interested in Rossi with a top-10 pick. He's small and one of the oldest players in his draft class.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:51 pm
Thread: Multiple moves to keep assets in place while landing some talent
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nights_King93</b></div><div>I just don't see it that way. JJ has been an extremely solid NHL player this year. I just don't trust him with the speed of the east in the playoffs. I think he could fit better in the muck it up west, honestly. I always hated the idea of JJ for Rask. I think Rask turned into a borderline NHL player being paid like a 2nd or 3rd liner. I know Rask has missed some games, but he and Johnson have the same offensive numbers.. Not good. JJ is plus 7 this year but that might be a bit off because he is playing with Letang quite a bit. That pairing also shares a lot of time with the top lines. But he hasn't been a liability. He has value and I certainly don't think the Pens have to package a pick with him to get him out. I'd keep him as a 7th D before I'd ever attach a pick to trade him.

Like I said. Maybe you add a first round pick on or add Poulin, but I could see a deal that is very similar to the one above (at least as a starting point) get done if the Pens make a big splash.</div></div>

There you go. How you see Rask is how other fanbases see JJ. Seriously Suter, Brodin, and Soucy are all better LD than JJ. Pateryn = JJ, JJ &gt; Seeler, but the cap hits make it closer in value. Hunt is the opposite of JJ and fits better with Seeler or Pateryn on the 3rd pair. Menell and/or Belpedio are on their ELCs and can fill in the 3rd pair if needed.

In a cap world when Suter/Spurgeon will cost $15m combined for the next forever, and Dumba makes another $6m/yr, a $4m/yr bottom pair/7th d-man is awful use of the cap.

JJ at $2m a year would be okay and most teams could make that cap work, but the extra $2m with the term makes him a big cap dump, NHL player or not.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:24 pm
Thread: Multiple moves to keep assets in place while landing some talent
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nights_King93</b></div><div>I don't disagree with that. But he is a competent NHL player. A bit overpriced, but the Pens are clearing nearly 10 mill for the Wild. They can take a third of that back. He can fill Brodin's cap hit and Minny still saves money. You would take someone with cap back. I think it would be Johnson or Bjugstad.</div></div>

The Wild don't need to clear cap space. And the trade for both players is awful.

Björkqvist is interesting, but not a grade-1 prospect and a mid 1st is nice. That's Brodin's about value alone (Muzzin trade as a comparable).
It'll cost a 3rd or more just to get rid of JJ.
So Zucker is free in this deal.

The trying to sell JJ as a player with any value is like MN trying to sell Rask as a player with any value. NHL players, yes; worth their contracts, not at all.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 8:34 pm
Thread: Moves EDM CAR PIT TOR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BLIvingston33</b></div><div>That core is likely if no moves are made but they're gonna be made regardless. You're gonna get a pick and prospect back for Zucker and Brodin no matter what. I'd rather just re-sign Foligno and get rid of Greenway. Greenway should be better than he is and someone is gonna pay us for him.

In my scenario you're looking at a future roster/core of:
Boldy-2020 1st-Kaprizov
Fiala-Khovanov-Bokk
Parise-Hallander-Zucc
Foligno-Ek-Kunin

Suter-Spurgeon
Soucy-Dumba
???-???

Kahkonen/Robson
UFA backup

Puljujarvi being a complete wildcard with the potential to take a spot? Give him a shot.</div></div>

JEE will be the top-6C, not the 4C.
Kaprizov/JEE/Kunin - a better Zucker/Koivu/Granny line, or a lesser-Bergeron line.
Boldy/???/Fiala -find an offensive center Haula (UFA) or RNH (UFA) would be the low end of want, Zibby would be ideal. Get Necas or Nylander for Dumba could work out great, but it's a hard sell to the other teams.
Parise/???/Zucc (stuck with them, o-zone 3rd line, Donato/Rask as the placeholder center here, but not ideal)
Greenway/Strum?/Hartman (high end all purpose 4th line).

The d-corps should be fine for the foreseeable future.
I'd do Poolparty for Donato or Poolparty+35oa (valuewise) for Zucker and take a chance it works out, but I think EDM would win either of those trades in the long run.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 7:41 pm
Thread: Moves EDM CAR PIT TOR
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BLIvingston33</b></div><div>Gotta move out wingers at some point, Hartman can be sacrificed for a guy that can play in the AHL if needed.
Greenway is the same situation and seems to really need a change of scenery since he can't move up the Wild lineup with the amount of wingers. I'll take the guy with the higher potential in Puljujarvi.
Taking Bjugstad gets a bit more back from the Pens in a Zucker deal, just buyout Rask. He's a stopgap until the next season anyway, you can give him a shot with no risk.
Disagree with Bokk, he's already playing pro now.
Rossi is just a name, could be Byfield if we get lucky, could be Stutzle, could be Perfetti. If the guy we draft isn't NHL ready then move up Ek and give Sturm a shot. I don't buy Sturm as an NHL centre either.
In the end, you gotta make moves and can't just sit on the current roster with Kaprizov and think anything changes.</div></div>

The thing is you're just reshuffling the deck with the wings, not really moving any out.
Hartman is the ideal 4th liner. You don't trade that for an AHL player that isn't needed.
Buying out Rask is a bad move. He's fine as a bottom-6 center, just overpayed. But a buyout and then filling the position elsewhere is a cap neutral move at best.
At worst Greenway is Foligno's replacement in the future. A guy that can chip in 10g/10a year, while being a pain to play against. Poolparty is an "all the tools and no tool box guy".
Bokk is playing in the SHL and not really lighting it on fire. The AHL is a step up from the SHL and it will give him time to get used to the smaller ice. Let him tear up the AHL for a season and use him as a callup.

Smart moves need to be made, not moves to make moves. I'm fine with selling off Donato, Zucker, Hunt/Pateryn, Brodin/Dumba, and Foligno but it needs to be fore something they need: top wing, top-6 center, and a goalie.

This is the core to build around for the next 5 years:
Boldy/JEE/Kunin (one of Greenway, Donato, Zucker is a placeholder for Boldy until he's ready)
Fiala/???/Kaprizov
Parise/???/Zucc (because we're stuck with them)

Suter/Spurgeon (because we're suck with them)
Brodin/Dumba (keep 1/trade 1)

goalie (we have a couple decent ones in the system, but most goalies are either boom or bust).