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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:59 p.m.
Thread:
Based on the latest rumors
Canucks aren't going to take less for Lindholm than they gave up lmao.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:52 p.m.
Thread:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>so what you have here is the random speculation of one reporter i've never heard of that maybe some guy would get more if there was an extension in place? From 2021....that's the best you can do? just some vague sentence about a raised price point? sure. i'm on board with that. turns a 3rd into a 2nd. just like i said.
and let's not make this out like i just randomly asked for insider reports. you brought that up as your primary point. and ya, i think it raises the price too. fractionally. I think with Lindholm they probably tossed in the throw away prospect as a result of those negotiations. it's never anything major though. it's a rental price and a kicker.</div></div>
If you've never heard of Frank Seravalli, you're either brand new to hockey and don't know what you're talking about or lying because you've been proven wrong. Given your post history, it's clearly the latter.
You were incorrect and I've shown you proof. Admit you were wrong, learn from it, and move on. It's the best way to learn.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread:
Crazy Jeremy
The 2nd and 3rd should go to Pittsburgh, not back to Vancouver. Why is VAN giving up Lindholm, Podkolzin, and Raty and getting Guentzel, a 2nd, and 3rd back? Makes no sense.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:46 p.m.
Thread:
Walker per Friedman
It's a 1st+ for Walker
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:44 p.m.
Thread:
My stab at Henrique and Carrick
25% of that contract is gonna cost you a 4th at least.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:35 p.m.
Thread:
Could This Work
Any deal with Vancouver for Guentzel has to include one of Lindholm or Mikheyev going out. You're also not getting Hoglander.
Swap Cole with Mikheyev, Hoglander with Podkolzin.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:31 p.m.
Thread:
Pens three way trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikescott22</b></div><div>Rutherford is in your organization. No prospect is unavailable</div></div>
Allvin has specifically said that Lekkerimaki and Willander are staying with the team.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>oh, so these aren't reports, it's just your guess work?
Moore was not LTIR, he was buried in providence and was a multi year cap dump.
So let's look at what it actually was
Lindholm 50% retained for, 1st, prospect that the bruins had given up on (where he was drafted doesn't matter, he stunk), 2nd+2nd+multi year cap dump.
now, so long as these aren't actually insider reports that you suggested and just stuff we're making up, we don't know how much the money side of things played a role. It may well be that those two seconds were for retention and taking on a multi year cap dump. I think that's a stretch, but I think it's probably pretty fair to assume that the cap dump and retention cost more than a 2nd round pick. Vaakainanen was a bit of a throw in at that stage, so lets say the finances were a 2nd and him. does a 1st and a 2nd for a number one d man sound like a clear "they paid up for the extension," scenario.
so i guess i would say if there are insider reports, please share. if we're going to guess, let's get the facts straight.</div></div>
You wanted an example, I gave one using your team.
Moore played 18 games between the NHL and AHL, he was on LTIR at the time of the trade and never played for the Ducks or Gulls. He was on LTIR.
You said the difference would be a 3rd. I have shown that the difference is a top prospect + 2nd. It isn't guess work, it's a direct comparison between two players traded to the same team, one with an extension in place and one without.
But since you keep refuting it without an insider proof:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/john-klingberg-worth-trade-contract-extension/
"So the baseline for Klingberg in a trade would seem to start with Ristolainen and Faulk, two fine defenders who you'd likely put beneath Klingberg on a depth chart. Ideally, the Stars would find a trade partner who could sign Klingberg immediately to an extension, and thus drive the price up further."
"The price for Klingberg probably starts at a first-round pick and a top prospect in the system, then goes up if Klingberg can work out a re-sign as part of the deal. His agent is talking to teams, after all."
https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/trade-targets-noah-hanifin-is-holding-the-calgary-flames-hostage-in-trade-talks
The Hanifin file has been a grind for the Flames, as Hanifin’s camp is more or less holding the trade process hostage, flexing his power as a pending free agent to sway interested suitors. Officially, Hanifin can only block a trade to eight teams via his limited ‘no-trade’ clause. In reality, all Hanifin’s camp has to do is quietly signal to an interested party that he will not be willing to sign there long-term and it effectively kills the potential of a deal... The net result may be a return the Flames feel isn’t commensurate with his value.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 1:02 p.m.
Thread:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>show your work. lets see these reports. start with one.</div></div>
Hampus Lindholm is an excellent example, he signed an 8-year extension the day after his trade.
Lindholm for 1st + 2017 1st round pick (Vaakanainen) + 2nd + 2nd + John Moore (LTIR)
Compare that to Dimitry Orlov, who was designed to be a rental:
Orlov for 1st + 2nd + 3rd + Cap Dump
The difference is, a top prospect + 2nd round pick + no cap dump
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 12:47 p.m.
Thread:
Pens three way trade
Lekkerimaki is unavailable.
The Penguins' choices for prospects are Podkolzin, Bains, Raty, Woo, Mynio, Johansson, and McWard.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 12:45 p.m.
Thread:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>that doesn't impact the price much. we have a lot of data on this. does it bump a third to a second? sure. does it add a major piece to the trade? absolutely not.</div></div>
All the reports from insiders indicate a rental vs. long term contract significantly impacts the return. Why would you pay nearly the same amount of assets for a guy who will be with you for 30 games vs. a guy who will be with you for 300? It's a lot more than a 3rd round-pick difference.
You will get more assets for a player willing to sign with the other team than you will for a player unwilling to sign.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 11:04 a.m.
Thread:
TDL 2024
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>The Jets shouldn't consider downgrading Stanley going into the playoffs.
Nor should they consider paying more for Lindholm than Vancouver did.</div></div>
This isn't more than Vancouver gave up for Lindholm.
Brzuterwicz = Chibrikov
Kuzmenko >> Kupari
1st = 1st
3rd/4th, Jurmo >>>
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 6 at 11:00 a.m.
Thread:
Flipping Lindholm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LPProductions</b></div><div>Package the Bruins are giving up is more than you're sending for Guentzel</div></div>
I expect it is because the Lindholm trade includes a negotiated extension, you're not getting a rental. 8-year extension > UFA rental. Calgary is experiencing the same problem right now with Hanifin, teams will pay more for the extension, and Hanifin doesn't want to sign an extension, so the teams drop their offer to a much lower amount.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 10:50 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>You are quite something.
You sent that post in response to my comment buddy. Holy crap</div></div>
I can see that this is going over your head, so we'll just end it by agreeing on the fact that Miller is a Top-10 scoring centre. Have a good day.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 10:25 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Hi. This is the post I quoted buddy.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>We had a top 10 SCORING center LAST year</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Further proof</div></div>
A small chirp really set you off, huh?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>westleysnipez</b></div><div><a href="https://i.imgur.com/47CMQ0K.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Right, my bad Miller is definitely not a Top-10 scoring centre in the league right now that's just some other guy named JT MIller who is 4th. </a></div></div>
This is the comment you quoted and replied to. I'm not sure why you're trying to pretend you didn't.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 9:18 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>That was not in your initial post that I quoted (which you then quoted).
You said he was a top 10 center, which he obviously is not</div></div>
My comment, which you quoted directly, clearly said Top-10 scoring centre. There's an argument to be made that Miller is a Top-10 centre overall, too. I know it's been a while since your Sabres have had anything Top-10 outside of a draft pick, but Miller is what a Top-10 scoring centre looks like.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 9:05 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>No one said anything about top 10 scorer, they said top 10 center</div></div>
Please re-read.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>westleysnipez</b></div><div><a href="https://i.imgur.com/47CMQ0K.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Right, my bad Miller is definitely not a <strong>Top-10 scoring centre</strong> in the league right now that's just some other guy named JT MIller who is 4th. </a></div></div>
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 3:46 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Oh cool, so the only measure of best is points?</div></div>
I don't know about you, but when I want to see who the best <strong>scorer</strong> is in the league, I go by points. Do you go by +/- or FO%?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 3:39 p.m.
Thread:
buch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>This isn't even matching what Lindholm got though.</div></div>
2025 1st + Podkolzin + Mikheyev is better than what Lindholm got.
Lindholm earned 2024 1st + Brzuterwicz + Kuzmenko + 4th + Jurmo; Jurmo and the 4th are inconsequential, Mikheyev is better than Kuzmenko and Podkolzin is a better prospect than Brzuterwicz.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 3:35 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>imawesome</b></div><div>Miller is not a top 10 center. He's very good but not top 10.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>I agree its a bad trade, but top 10 center made me laugh out loud. Holy crap</div></div>
<a href="https://i.imgur.com/47CMQ0K.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Right, my bad Miller is definitely not a Top-10 scoring centre in the league right now that's just some other guy named JT MIller who is 4th. </a>
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 2:55 p.m.
Thread:
Byram for Miller
Why are the Canucks trading a Top-10 centre AND a 2nd round pick for a 2nd-pairing LHD?
Just terrible.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 2:49 p.m.
Thread:
buch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>You know I looked at the Cap and thought this was for 24 TD. Value would be a lot less next year but still more than offered in this package.
I don't agree with his value being less than or equal to Lindholm simply because Lindholm is a center. Buch is a better player overall and would be higher ranked compared to other wingers than Lindholm would be to other centers. The market would also have something to do with it. Buch is by far the most valuable winger to target in rather slim winger market, especially now that Guentzel is hurt. Plus it has been confirmed that Buch is not being shopped today, but calls are being taken and he would only moved for a package that wows. So he either doesn't get moved this season or there is a blue chip prospect involved.</div></div>
Again, OP made this for 2024-25, not for this season. I'm not sure why you're trying to point to Buchnevich's value this season when the hypothetical is for next. This is for Buchnevich as a rental.
Over the past three seasons, Lindholm has more goals (77), equal points (185), and more games played (220) than Buchnevich has, while being a Selke nominee. Buchnevich's value would certainly be less than Lindholm's regardless of their positions, though the centre vs. winger dynamic compounds on that. Buchnevich is not worth more than Lindholm if both are rentals.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 12:57 p.m.
Thread:
buch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>Any trade with Buch to Vancouver is going to have to include Willander. Maybe Lekkerimaki, but most likely that wouldn't be enough.</div></div>
Not sure if you noticed, OP has this for 2024-25. You're not getting a blue-chip prospect for a rental. Buch's value would be far closer to the Lindholm trade, and less than Lindholm due to Buchnevich not being a centre and not being Selke-nominated. You'd be looking at a 1st + b-tier prospect + cap dump. Horvat is the other template to use, both were done by GMPA. 2025 1st + Podkolzin + Mikheyev would be my estimate.
If it was for this season, I think you'd get an extra high pick or b-tier prospect for the additional ~30-40 games. 2025 1st + Podkolzin + Mikheyev + Mynio + 2nd
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 12:43 a.m.
Thread:
canucks fans would you accept this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>OTT could probably get more for Chychrun but don't think Canucks trade Willander no matter what</div></div>
Doubt it. Chychrun is worth a 1st + 3rd, that's worth less than Willander alone.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 22 at 12:34 a.m.
Thread:
Happy Hour Jimbo
No, the Canucks are not going to trade Mikheyev for a worse player who is signed longer.
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