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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 2 at 9:03 p.m.
Thread:
Cup Contenders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Do you think this trade could happen tomorrow or even after the All-Star break?</div></div>
I think so, the stove is pre-heated at this point. Rumors are the Flames want a 2nd + for Tanev without retention and I don't see how the Canucks wouldn't need retention unless they're sending cap back (don't see that happening). Tanev for a 2nd + Karlsson/Klimovich/etc. would be pretty fair, I think the extra pick to a 3rd party might be tricky though.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1 at 11:26 p.m.
Thread:
Cup Contenders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>This trade is too risky.
I can't see this trade happening.</div></div>
Allvin and Rutherford were just trying to trade for Tanev yesterday. How can you not see this happening?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1 at 11:22 p.m.
Thread:
perfecting the roster before march 8
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Vancity2196</b></div><div>Why would Canucks want Nic Dowd?
Is the WSH-VCR trade necessary?</div></div>
Likely because Canuck fans are sentimental.
Also likely that he's another RH centre in case of injuries.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1 at 8:35 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>No, they aren't. The difference between the 25th and 27th pick overall is negligible. The 3rd round pick is something but not a ton because Vancouver struck quickly and well before the trade deadline thus not creating a bidding war and the only criticism by analysts was whether calgary should have held out longer to extract more value. Furthermore, you are also missing the attribute in this trade that Vancouver needed to move Kuz to make the cap work for Lindholm and thus, does not increase the value of Kuz but decreases his value. So at the very most, Kuz is considered worth a 2nd and 3rd in this trade....but never a 1st as you suggest and because of needing to move cap out, versus the O'Reilly trade, I would argue Kuz was only worth a 2nd in this trade.
Also of note, notice Chicago wasn't going to give up a 1st for Kuz, because if they were willing to Vancouver would have gone that route first and given them more valuable assets to work with in a trade to acquire Lindholm. Like we've all been saying, Chicago was never going to give up even a 2nd to take a risk on Kuz.</div></div>
29+76 for 25th in 2018
29+70 for 26th in 2017
28+87 for 26th in 2016
Yeah, they are.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1 at 12:10 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>LMAO no, Kuz isn't worth a 1st.
Van gave up a 1st round draft pick. That is the most valuable asset in the trade. The prospects cancel each other out. So Kuz's value is a 2nd as many people said on this website.</div></div>
You're skipping over the difference in the weight of the pick at the time of the trades and the 3rd round pick. Those are both big factors.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Feb. 1 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Now you understand what Kuz is worth. For a rental for a few months, they paid Kuz, a 1st and two prospects. In other words, Kuz was never worth a 1st or more as you suggested here and what everyone was telling you</div></div>
What do you mean? This is directly comparable to the O'Reilly trades last year (both recent Selke nominees having down years). Plus Lindholm was the best centre available this year in a very limited market.
O'Reilly for a 1st (25th), 2nd, 3rd, b-tier prospect (Abramov), d-tier prospect (Gaudette) - I'm not including Minnesota for the other retention.
Lindholm for a 1st (27th+ as of trade), b-tier prospect (Brz), d-tier prospect (Jurmo), 4th, and Kuzmenko
B-tier/D-tier prospects cancel each other out.
The difference between 25th OA and 27th+ OA is a 3rd-round pick. So that essentially becomes a 2nd + 3rd + 3rd as equal value to Kuzmenko + 4th
Reference the Canes-Kings trade of 2021 or the Canes-Wild trade of 2020, we can see a 3rd + 4th = late 2nd, so two 3rds (minus the 4th) would be about a mid-2nd, Flip the two 2nds for a 1st. Heck, even a 2nd + 3rd can equal a 1st (See CBJ-TOR 2015).
Kuzmenko is worth a 1st. I'll concede that it may have been a slight overpay from Chicago, but again, the Hawks were the ones reported to be keen on Kuz.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 8:21 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You're the only one saying Kuz is worth a 1st+. Most VAN fans don't even say that. Most have been wanting a 2nd...which won't happen. Some reasonable posts say a middle 3rd and D prospect. Some even say a 4th. No one is suggesting a 1st+ is reasonable.
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4856403
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4856389
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855614
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855357
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855323
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4854922</div></div>
Sounds like Vancouver may just be sending Kuzmenko for Lindholm directly lol.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 8:20 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Insults because you are making things up. You have not provided the source where Friedman says Hawks are willing to pay a lot for Kuz and yet we have all read the same thing and provided the source where HE didn't say that. You are literally making up stories....link the article where he said something differently than everyone else saw....burden of proof is on you pal</div></div>
What are you talking about? I've provided quotes directly from Friedman in this thread. Others have linked the YouTube video. I don't know what more proof you would want.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 2:06 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You're the only one saying Kuz is worth a 1st+. Most VAN fans don't even say that. Most have been wanting a 2nd...which won't happen. Some reasonable posts say a middle 3rd and D prospect. Some even say a 4th. No one is suggesting a 1st+ is reasonable.
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4856403
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4856389
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855614
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855357
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4855323
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4854922</div></div>
Haha, how many Canuck fans are in the comments putting those trades on blast? Too many.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:56 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Really? Kuz is literally 6th on the team in ATOI and Per Friedman "No question they're looking for a top 6 forward". So VAN believes Kuz shouldn't be 6th or higher in ATOI. That's just 1 quote and math. Sure he goes on to say a position/player than can move around the lineup. No doubt about it, but that doesn't mean VAN isn't trying to move his contract to actually get a top 6 forward.
For the record. I wouldn't mind acquiring Kuz at all! Just has to be for the right price. Hawks aren't in a position to be sending picks away. Like zero 1st and zero 2nds. AWFUL move for the Hawks if EITHER a 1st or 2nd gets moved. But something reasonable...ok. Another post just had the OTT 3rd and Teply. I can yield to that. fine. middle 3rd and an ECHLer.</div></div>
Kuzmenko is a Top-6 forward, but he can't play centre. The Canucks have a gluttony of talented wingers (8 forwards on pace for 20+ goals) and need a reliable 2C so Petey can play on the Lotto line. Kuzmenko is the one teams have been calling about (Chicago and Nashville the most) more than any other player. The idea behind moving Kuzmenko is to earn futures for that reliable 2C because Allvin and Rutherford have explicitly said they don't want to trade away the top prospects. Many fans think a 1st + Kuzmenko is the answer, but teams like Calgary, Pittsburgh, or Anaheim don't want Kuzmenko because he doesn't fit their ask (futures). Moving Kuzmenko to a team looking for scoring assistance (like Chicago or Nashville) that earns the futures we can flip to those teams. Either VAN moves Kuzmenko to a team like CHI for futures and then flips those futures for a 2C (Lindholm, Vatrano, Henrique) or for a lethal first line winger to replace Petey on the 1st line (Guentzel).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:49 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You're RIGHT! Kubalik was let out of his contract. That's another 30+ goal scorer that had a down season and couldn't even get a 3rd. Which is why a 4th or late 3rd isn't the worst.</div></div>
Do you remember how choked Hawks fans were about losing Kubalik and Strome for nothing? The Hawks didn't offer sheet either player because they wanted to tank. There are dozens of threads here, on HFBoards, and the Hawks subreddit about how terrible the asset management was with both of those players.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:42 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>That's not ME putting the emphasis on the Have. That's a quote from Friedman. You are the one saying Friedman is the gospel. You are the one putting in all the quotes. So fine, I'm all for playing by YOUR rules, BUT if we're quoting Friedman...then we going to quote all of it. Not just picking/choosing the parts that best suit you.
"The Canucks have repeatedly said they're not wanting to move Kuzmenko unless it makes sense. " Now this quote is from you...and you're the one making assumptions on what makes sense. How about you just trade Kuz for Bedard. Does that make sense to you? Of course VAN is going to want to maximize value, but if were believing Friedman...Kuz is not a top 6 forward. So why in the world are the Hawks sending a st and a 2nd for a $5M bottom 6 forward.</div></div>
I've not said that Friedman is gospel, I said he's one of the most trusted insiders. You put the have in caps and bold. That's not how he phrased it. I didn't pick and choose the quotes or emphasis certain parts, I included all pieces where he talked about Kuzmenko and Chicago.
Yes, I wrote that, based on interviews with Allvin and Rutherford about Kuzmenko.
Obviously, Kuzmenko is not worth Bedard, Asking for a late 1st + late 2nd for a 30+ goal scorer on a down year whose signed for 1.5 seasons isn't a ridiculous ask. Lindholm is having a down year and is still commanding a 1st + top prospect.
What do you mean "if we're believing Friedman... Kuz is not a top 6 forward." He specifically mentions "Kuzmenko is a [30 goal scorer], he can score, we know he can score." Friedman wouldn't have said that if Kuzmenko wasn't a Top-6 forward.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:27 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>klassic</b></div><div>Did you actually listen to what Friedman said. He said if HE was the Hawks he would be in on Kuzmenko. At most Chicago would trade Ottawa 3rd for Kuz. Don't like it, find another trade partner to take you salary.</div></div>
I did listen to what Friedman said, that's why I provided the direct quotes about what he's referring to.
No, a 30+ goal scorer on pace for 20 goals on a down season is not worth a 3rd round pick.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:25 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>High school reading comprehension scores in Canada lag the US according to data published by both countries :)</div></div>
I'm here trying to have a civil discussion and all you Hawks fans can come up with are insults because you have no other rebuttal. It shows how ignorant you are.
Please, provide sources that counter what's being reported, and then we can have a real discussion.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 1:20 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Well let's be careful with the quotes because Freidman said "I just think that if it's going to be Flames Canucks, for a guy like Lindholm you guys (Vancouver) are going to have to pay a little more than some other teams will." So NO, he's not referencing CHI would have to pay more for Kuz. He's actually doing to opposite. He's implying Kuz is NOT a top 6 guy because Vancouver is "No quesiton they're looking for a top 6 forward"
Friedman again "I think the Canucks are going to be looking to open up some cap room. For you to go out and get a player like a Guentzel or a Henrique or a Lindholm or anyone else, there's going to <strong>HAVE</strong> to be money going out. Look we all kinda see where this is going with Kuzmenko". He's implying something that's not good between VAN and Kuzmenko, but doesn't explicitly state anything. He's the one saying VAN HAS to shed cap...so your words vs his?
I'm not sure where you're getting your information. It really feels like you trying to piece different quotes together to prop up value. If you truly listed to Freidman and believe him...then it really sounds like Vancouver is trying to DUMP his contract. NOT that he's some valuable piece to VAN. Seems more like a Jason Dickinson move than a JT Miller move...IF YOU believe Friedman.</div></div>
Thanks for repeating what I had quoted. Of course, Friedman is not referencing Chicago when he's talking about Calgary. He talks about Kuzmenko and Chicago afterward.
Now whose making things up? You're putting far too much emphasis on the have. There have already been conversations around retention that Vancouver can still make the money work.
I'm getting my information from Friedman and other insiders. The Canucks have repeatedly said they're not wanting to move Kuzmenko unless it makes sense. The only way that happens is if it gives the Canucks assets to help acquire an upgrade.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 2:36 a.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>You are deriving facts from something that was never said</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>He was free, not at all relevant to this crazy AGM you created! lol</div></div>
I've provided the quotes directly, this was said. Beauvillier was definitely not free, he cost Chicago a 5th round pick.
Kuzmenko >>>>> Beauvillier. That means he will cost >>>>> 5th.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 2:32 a.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JK74</b></div><div>Way to double down. You should be a politician!</div></div>
My guy, I provided the quotes directly, I'm uncertain how you can be so confused by it. I understand you're upset that your team is asking about Kuzmenko and you disagree with what the experts are saying, but don't attack me for it. I'm providing the details based on the reports I've heard. If you want to continue to stick your head in the sand and only listen to the opinions of Lazerus and Pope, by all means, go ahead, but you won't be getting a complete picture of the dynamics of the league.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 31 at 2:21 a.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>I appreciate your quotes and I do believe those are accurate quotes. I want to give you credit for that. Do you not see the leaps you're trying to make from those quotes? Do you not see the other quotes talking VAN needing cap space to make a Lindholm work? I could apply what you're doing and show that Kuz is worth future considerations because the Las Vegas Knights had a Vezina winning Goalie and the Hawks needed a goalie to which they got him for essentially future considerations. JT Miller isn't the baseline for any trade.</div></div>
The Canucks can already acquire Lindholm and Guentzel without shedding salary, they'd pay an extra pick for retention or double retention.
The point that Friedman raises behind trading Kuzmenko is to get futures to move for Lindholm/Guentzel, "[Vancouver] has the ability to make trades with [Calgary] but you have to pay a little bit more [references the Zadorov trade]." Friedman references the Top-6 guys and then goes on to talk about how Kuzmenko would work to help facilitate those deals.
There's also the other tidbit that Friedman mentions, that Chicago has been the one asking about Kuzmenko, <em>not Vancouver.</em> In the examples that you gave (goalie to the Hawks) it was the other way around, Vegas shopping their goalie to the highest bidder to clear cap space. The Canucks don't have that same concern because Kuzmenko is still performing. The reason that they'd move him out is to improve short-term (ie. getting the assets to acquire better players on expiring deals).
That's why the Miller, Ristolainen, and Reinhart trades I referenced before follow the closer suit. It was not Tampa, Buffalo, or NYI going out and offering these players, it was Vancouver, Philadelphia, and Edmonton reaching out to buy. Chicago falls into the latter category based on the reports far more than Vancouver does in the former.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:44 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>So you minced words on what was actually said.....got it...you were wrong....Chicago, a rebuild team, isn't giving up the draft capital you suspect.....MAYBE a 2nd rounder at most</div></div>
I didn't mince words at all. I wasn't wrong in what I said.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:41 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Yeah. This dude is just making stuff up to support his argument. Friedman didn't say anything like that either.</div></div>
I'm not making stuff up. You don't like what's being reported so you're trying to call me a liar. I'm making a post around comments based on a well-respected insider. Just because it isn't coming from Lazerus or Pope's biased Hawk take doesn't mean it's not real. This isn't coming from a biased-Canucks reporter either. Friedman's as neutral as you can get. You guys cried about overpaying on Beauvillier too, when you expected that he'd come with a 2nd like Dickinson.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:38 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>No he didn't... Like at all. He suggested that if he were CHI's GM he would be interested. The end. No one is moving valuable assets for a player that is floundering, is a pending UFA that will be 29 when his next contract begins, and has a cap hit of $5.5M. Especially not a rebuilding team. I'd be willing to bet what he meant was that, if VAN needs to move his cap hit in order to add to their roster before the deadline, CHI should be interested. And that implies that he is a cap dump. In which case, yes, CHI should be interested in getting assets to take on a player that they could possibly flip next year. But paying valuable assets is out of the question.</div></div>
Yes, Freidman did. I've put his direct quotes a couple responses up, along with other examples of basement teams moving out picks to improve their team while still in the basement.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:35 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Friedman is a hack and looks for clickbait. Why in the world would the move "prominent draft capital" for a rebuilding team that is 2 or 3 years from competing and meanwhile Kuz is a rental for next season? Logic has to prevail here, makes zero sense UNLESS they can get him for a 3rd or 4th (MAYBE 2nd) and flip him at the TDL next year for a 1st or better. That's the only reason the Hawks would look to give up draft capital for him.</div></div>
Just because you dislike what he's talking about doesn't make him a hack. He's been one of the most accurate insiders over the past decade+.
Why did Vancouver move prominent draft capital for JT Miller when they'd not made the playoffs in 4 years? Because they thought it would help the team.
Why did Edmonton move prominent draft capital for Griffin Reinhart? Because they thought it would help the team.
Why did Philadelphia move prominent draft capital for Rasmus Ristolainen? Because they thought it would help the team.
Teams seek success in the shortest way possible. If the Hawks GM thinks that moving out a late 1st and late 2nd for a 30-goal scorer will help Chicago, that's on them.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:30 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JK74</b></div><div>Being discussed is a LONG WAY away from pestering.</div></div>
If a buyer contacts you multiple times over a matter of weeks about an item you have that could be for sale, I think that's closer to pestering than it is to discussion. With multiple people confirming that to be the case with Freidman (regarding Chicago asking Vancouver) it's safe to say it is more the former.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Ok, so I just listened to his on Donnie and Dahli...he did NOT say CHI has been pestering them all season. He did say that after his thoughts podcast some unconfirmed sources have said there was potential discussion and they've done the AB deal...so they could do one, BUT it was all in the context that VAN is trying to free up capspace for a better top 6 forward. I agree its a decent fit. But it DEFINITELY didn't sound like the Hawks were desperate and he's just trying to find cap situation where VAN could send that contract. NOT that CHI was willing to send anything serious for him.</div></div>
"We all see where this is going, and if you look at [Chicago] they are looking for guys who don't have a lot of term, they just extended three guys. [They're willing to pay] and Kuzmenko can score, he's struggled this year, but he can score."
"Ever since I blurted it out on [32 Thoughts] I've had people telling me it's [more than] that, they think Chicago has looked into the possibility of [acquiring Kuzmenko]."
"There's a lot of circumstantial evidence. It makes a lot of sense for both the Blackhawks and the Canucks."
So according to Freidman, they're willing to pay to get Kuzmenko. Kuzmenko can score. If you look at similar deals that have gone down in previous years, you'll see its pretty fair. The Canucks are a prime example. In the middle of a rebuild, they sent out a 1st + 3rd + prospect for JT Miller at 5.25M for 4 years left when he was considered a cap dump on Tampa. People screamed about overpaying. Turns out, it was a great trade for Vancouver. Same thing can happen with Kuzmenko with Bedard in Chicago.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 30 at 4:57 p.m.
Thread:
Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Did he really say a 1st and a 2nd was Kuz value???</div></div>
He said Chicago has been pestering Vancouver throughout the season for Kuzmenko, mentioned Chicago's draft capital and that they've a lot and they'd be willing to part with early picks to get an offensive player to get their offense going. They want someone who's signed short term (2-3 years) who can help Bedard produce and take some of the offensive pressure off of him. Kuzmenko fits all of that. For the Canucks, he said they've been denying Chicago's requests so far, but Vancouver could do it if it meant allowing them to bring in a guy like Lindholm or Guentzel.
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