Sep 21, 2019
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SlickWilly</b></div><div>I definitely think Stutzle has shown a lot in a mens league as well, but Raymond and Holtz have played in men's leagues, and when they competed in tournaments with their own age group they have done really well, as opposed to padding stats in a junior league in which they are clearly far superior from their opponents. Its hard to say they havent shown anything because thats not necessarily true. They have both shown similar production to Kakko in similar leagues, if not a better one</div></div>
I definitely like that Raymond and Holtz are both playing in the SHL, I think it does so much more for prospects who play in men's leagues before they're drafted then those that don't. But Raymond's 9 points in 31 games does not impress me. He didn't really have an outstanding WJC either. 4 points in 7 games in that weak bracket they had doesn't really jump out at me. IK it's not all stats driven but still. Raymonds 9 points through 31 games sits him 14th all time in PPG of draft eligible players who played in the SHL in their draft year. Holtz is 3rd at .53 PPG. I just think there's a lot of hype around Raymond that isn't all warranted. He had a great under 18's that really garnished him a lot of attention, especially that gold medal performance, but I feel like ever since then he's just been riding out the wave and hasn't really lived up to the hype. I get he's 17 and I get he's on the smaller side playing on a really good mens league team, but when you have guys like Stuzle putting up nearly a PPG in a mens league (DEL is no laughing matter) and Rossi behind only McDavid and Kane (and Gagner somehow) and ahead of guys like Marner, Tkachuk, Hall, Tavares, Stamkos in OHL PPG for draft eligible's, how do you justify picking Raymond over them?? In my mind I can't, which is why he's 6th on my board. IDK tell me if you disagree, and IK not everything is about just production, but when you have all these other guys putting up insane points...I cant pick Raymond over them, I just cant.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stevierebz</b></div><div>Outside of Larkin, even that 2014 draft was real bad. Holland got a lot of credit for drafting solely on the late round gems of Pavel and Hank, but he really didn’t hit any gems the last decade. I haven’t lost hope on Ras, he’s looked pretty good in GR this year and in a weak draft class, getting a potential shut down C with power play proficiency, even as a 3C, is not terrible. I was high on Cholo this year but he’s starting to remind me too much of B Smith; flashes of greatness derailed by bonehead mistakes. The Svech draft kills me the most though, there was so many studs in that class, to think we could have had Aho, Boeser, Cirelli, White, Koneky... the list goes on, and we prob didn’t even get a NHLr</div></div>
I agree with everything except the 2014 draft. You only need one to two picks to become NHLers to have a draft be a success, so to get our 1C and future captain that's a great draft haha. Doesn't matter if any of the other picks even played an NHL game, 2014 was a huge win.