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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2022 at 1:25 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>im literally looking at it right now, it doesn't include this year it includes 18-19 to 20-21 and it says darnell nurse's WAR was 25%. it would literally be nearly impossible to for him to get into the 60th percentile he would have had to had a WAR of over 90% this season which i know he didn't have because his defence was well below average this season and WAR also takes in a large account for shooting and goals which also went down dramatically nurse had 9 goals with a 4.4 shooting% this season in 20-21 he had 16 goals with a 10.4 shooting% which would mean his PP, EVS, G/p60 and Finishing % would go down. Almost all his analytics and stats went down from last season to this one.

Goals, Points per game, shooting % , Point shares etc he had actually quite the down year compared to 20-21 if anything his WAR% went down</div></div>
1. He was in the 86th percentile this year with a huge improvement in defence
2. The three years weighted average shows 62 WAR%
3. In JFresh's player card, finishing is indeed shown for defenceman but is not included in the WAR calculation in Patrick Bacon's model. The reason being that defenceman shooting percentage are much more random than forwards.
4. His PP actually got better going from 19% in 2020-2021 to 34% in 2021-2022 and G/60 is also shown on the card but isn't used for the WAR calculation and that is for forwards and defenceman
5. Also the card your looking at also included his horrible 18-19 season in which he was in the 11th percentile in WAR so getting rid of that year for the three year scale helps his case.

Now if you still think I'm lying about the stat well... this is my twitter account: If you want DM me and I will DM you the Player Card.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 12, 2022 at 4:27 a.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dekes</b></div><div>theodore is a much better. theodore was in the top 99% for WAR where as nurse was in the bottom 25%. the only thing nurse has on theodore is he is more physical(but he takes way way more penalties) and he has a harder shot(but over last 3 years theodore still has 5 more goals then him).
look up JFRESH player cards and you will see their is a massive difference between the too. so ya it is worth it for edmonton to do because they save nearly 4 mill if they can move dadonov and they get a way better dman, i highly doubt vegas even considers this deal</div></div>

So I actually have acess to JFresh's player card since I'm a donor on patreon to him, so I know that what you are saying is BS. For the last three years Thedore is in the 84th percentile for WAR and this year has actually been is worse year being in the 61th in WAR due to a bit of a down year in offensive play driving, dropping to 99% in EV OFF to 91% in EV OFF. Nurse while it is true that he was 21th in WAR last year, he was actually in the 86th percentile this year in WAR% and that due to a large jump in his EV DEF Going from the 3rd percentile which is trash to a really respectable 79th this year in EV DEF.

My original statement was referencing to the fact that they are both Offensive defenceman who usually really struggles on defence. While it is true that Thedore is better offensively and is a god on the PP Nurse had an intriguing jump in defence that if he can keep up might turn him into a solid top pair option down the road for the Oilers like he was this season for them.