Nov 29, 2017
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Forum: NHLJul 5, 2018 at 9:35 We as Leafs fans watched Nylander for 2+ years now (at NHL), I am not so sure if he deserves 5M+ yr up to this point of his career.
Yes he may have stats for it to argue that he is worth 5M+ but...
For last 2 yrs, he has mostly played beside Matthews and yes he has been good at time but not as consistently.
Especially when he is taken out of Matthews line (at a time when Matthews was injured) I really do not think he has the poise to drive a line.
By comparison, Marner who played mostly with Bozak, JVR in his 1st yr and half of last yr, really came along after put into Kadri line which they had tougher assignments and match ups and also had to be more DEF conscious.
I see Marner getting over 7-8M for 8 yrs and Matthews getting close to 9-10M for 8 yrs but Nylander at 7-8M as people suggest? Hell no.
If I am a GM, I will bargain hard to sign him at around 5M max for long term, for 2-3 yr bridge deal maybe 4-5M range.
If he wants more than that, I will really try hard to trade him to get RD and prospect.
If Leafs do not have substitutes at Wing then maybe forced to sign him to lucrative deal but with Brown, Kapanen, Johnson, Grundstrom, I rather trade him then to sign him to what I think is overpaid contract.
Maybe make a deal to get M.Dumba, J. Trouba and pay them 5-6M for 7-8 yrs.
Now that JT signed with Leafs, we do not need more C so Nylander will play W and I really do not think it is worth it to invest a lot of money in him unlike to Matthews and Marner.
So what do you guys think?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>A solid NHL Dman as you suggest gets more in return than Brown and Carrick. I'm sure Edmundson is a LHD. I agree with jordan89 about the veteran leadership, and think Grunstrom deserves to be a Leafs.
Maybe even Borgman gets time LHD, thought the Leafs still have capable players with Reilly, Gardiner and Dermot on the left side.
Actually I wouldn't mind signing Winnick. He's a Toronto boy/resident. He might be OK signing with the Leafs if other teams bypass him. He might be Marlie though, if he's OK with that.</div></div>
I agree. Leafs do not need more LD. They have tons of LD in their system. (Rosen, Borgman, Nielson, Hainsey...list goes on)
If there are someone better in D-zone with similar quality to J.Gardiner, I will trade him but I look at other RDs around the league, I dont see many RDs who seems better than Zaitsev with low CAP.
For Forwards, they do not need to add anyone. The 4th line will get less than 5min per game in 5 vs 5 so they just need cheap Big Faceoff Specialist at Centre (F.Gauthier) and PK specialist at wing (Grundstrom, Brown/Kapanen). Even they can double shift top 3 centres (really do not need 4th line centre)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStone67</b></div><div>The issue I see here is that there is no certainty that OEL would stick with the team when his contract ends next year. Unless there is guarantee that OEL signs for a long term deal at a reasonable price - given the HEFTY amount we'll be paying Matthews (not to mention Nylander and the others) - then I just don't see this deal working out for Toronto. Besides, I think that Toronto management is looking for a short term fix on right side of the top four, if they're really looking at all. If anything I'd want Gardiner to be traded to upgrade and find a right handed D partner for Rielly who's around the same age or just solid defensively *cough* Parayko *cough* and put Hainsey beside Zaitsev.
In the end, I don't see this being a fair deal for Toronto. I think it's just too much to ask for without any certainty that Toronto comes out with something longterm, and it's just too much in general. Yeah, Marner is struggling a bit this season but everyone KNOWS what he can do if he's on his groove, and a lot of good players have slumped in their second season. It's not time to trade him.</div></div>
I totally agree with your comments.
I thought about maybe they go for Franchise D-man like Doughty or Karlsson but, if you look at Marlies,
Dermott and Liljegren is developing fine and may make the team next year as 5~6 D-man and 2 seasons later they might be 3~4 D-man with Rielly + Zaitsev as 1~2.
Also, I like how Borgman is playing so they might go for Stay-home RD who is faster than POLAK and more physical/dependable than CARRICK for a rental or someone with 1~2 yrs of terms left. (Gudbranson, Petrovic, L.Schenn(?))
If Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott and Liljegren don't develop as well, then go for Doughty or Karlsson when they hit FA.
By that time, it will be more clear about Marner and Nylander ceiling as well.