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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 5, 2022 at 1:35 p.m.
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Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 25, 2022 at 2:47 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Late 1st + Zary for Horvat 50% retained would be a steal. I would expect at least another 2nd and maybe another Prospect for the retention. At just 27, Horvat is in his peak years and he's Canadian, so is more likely to sign &amp; stay in CGY = less of a Flight Risk.

Boeser has better size, but he's soft and lazy compared to Garland who would be a much better fit on the Flames even though he's on the smaller size. Boeser is a one-dimensional offensive player afaic. If we did bring him in, it'd be for the 1RW position, but again, I'd prefer the Canadian Centre or Garland more.

Horvat &gt;&gt;&gt; Kadri at FaceOffs, so have him take the FaceOffs and then move &amp; play RW like MTL is doing with Monahan

I'd have Mang compete with Garland for the 1RW. Toffoli just doesn't have enough foot speed to be on a line with Huby &amp; Lindy. He should be used on the #1 PP and with Coleman &amp; Backlund imo or sent to VAN for Horvat, Garland or Boeser, but I don't see Sutter letting his Lucky Charm go</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yycofred</b></div><div>It would be a steal, but so unlikely. Especially in division.

Again, Boeser and Garland could be argued until you're blue in the face, either or would be a great acquisition.

There are significantly more responsibilities to be a C than taking faceoffs, I get it's important but a 4% swing isn't worth having guys swapping positions mid shift because one of the projected worst teams in the league is doing it with a coach that has notoriously said he just wants the guys to play as opposed to the anti-Marty St. Louis structural guru that Sutter is.

I mean Toffoli is at a point per game clip right now.. it obviously doesn't sustain but if he's producing at a .70 - .75 that's still 55+ points while playing a really really strong defensive game that pairs well with Lindholm and let's Huberdeau take risks in the OZone that line shouldn't be touched at this point. That DNA line is seriously too good to break up right now.</div></div>

Good thoughts here, appreciate the feedback. The original goal of the post was to show a general return for Horvat though as a rental. It really doesn't have to be Calgary as the recipient. Any contender will work.
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Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 7, 2022 at 4:10 p.m.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>You just said they peak 24-31 &amp; defenceman peak later without any data at all.

Yeah, and I backed up this point. I didn't say they peak between 23-28 because I googled "NHL Player Peak Age", click the first link, and say where the lines were the highest. I wonder if you actually read the methodology for the chart instead of demanding everyone else post data. It's 5-6 years out of date and WAR has evolved since then.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>
What are you talking about? You'd come to the conclusion that there aren't many defenceman playing at 21-23 and the only guys playing are your top tier talents like Doughty/Karlsson/Makar/Heiskanen etc... There's a dropoff because most of your mid to late round picks debut at 24.

Maybe look up what "face value" means. The "Defenseman" line as a very clear decline between 24 and 30. Without any additional information, you would derive the conclusion that defenseman peak at 23 and get worse through 24-30. The chart doesn't provide the information regarding sample sizes for each age or the overall ability of players at each age or the number of new players debuting at each age. You'd have to go to the article page to get that information which you haven't posted.

A better way to convey the information would be to determine the change in WAR between players who debut at certain ages. Players who debut at 18 versus those who debut at 24 will have different career paths and that's not reflected on the chart.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>
"I don't see what's wrong with saying this" because it's usually not true. The only defenceman that seem to be able to keep it up in their 30s are HOF talent guys. I wouldn't be surprised if Makar could be an exception. Weegar isn't that.

Weegar is a guy I'd take a bet on to play well into his 30s. A lot of guys do fall off but there definitely is a handful of top 4 guys in their 30s who are still decent and Weegar could easily join them.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DongLord23</b></div><div>
Because bloating your cap space with guys out of their prime isn't how you build a good team. That's how you become the Sharks/Preds. Making the playoffs every year but not sniffing the cup.</div></div>

Would've been better to use examples of teams that haven't reached the Stanley Cup Finals using this strategy but whatever.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 7, 2022 at 2:14 p.m.