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29 minutes ago
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I feel Brossoit extends in WPG pretty much easiest job being behind Hellebyuck\</div></div>
Brossoit signed in Winnipeg because it looked like Hellebuyck was done after this year and he wanted to win a starting job. He played great this year and will have many teams offering him 1B or better money. He hasn't shown any indication that he wants the "easy job" so that is a lazy take.
“It is a bit bittersweet. If I could choose, and if it didn’t mean halting or stalling of my career, I’d prefer to stay here,” says Brossoit.
“I’m very comfortable here, I don’t think we’ll probably go the rest of our career having this good of a relationship (with anyone else), with the age and the similarities that we have. It will be sad to go, if I do, but it’s the nature of the beast.”
Fact is, there should be several teams lining up this summer to make Brossoit an offer he simply can’t refuse, with the kind of money and term given to a guy who will, at the very least, be competing for a platoon role as the top dog.
“I would expect my phone to be ringing on July 1,” says Petkau (his agent).
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/featured/2024/03/18/no-masking-this-relationship
I should have included Stolarz in that mix of good UFA's too.
Any team needing a goalie that signed Brossoit-Stolarz could have an amazing tandem on their hands and probably spend around $7 mil or less to get it.
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NHL
11 hours ago
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kdawg32086</b></div><div>Which playoff teams does everyone think is gonna make a trade for a goalie in the offseason?</div></div>
Of playoff teams it seems that there are 3 in the market for starters and 2 for backups.
LA
Toronto
Edmonton (if they can free up space)
Boston (if they move Ullmark, I could see them getting a veteran 1B)
Winnipeg (if they don't re-sign Brossoit will need a B/U)
But there are also a few good UFA's to consider too: Brossoit, Nedeljkovic, Lankinen
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NHL
Fri. at 10:55 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Probs go internal with Guy Boucher till next season when Sullivan gets canned
But would be surprised if Berube is off the market unless TOR shifts to Brind'Amour which based on Weeks report I think is a real big possibility
As I dont think TOR would hand Berube a bigger deal than Babcock. Brind'Amour though 50/50 especially if you are bringing his staff to</div></div>
That's kind of my point. Toronto, if they focus on Brind'Amour could see Berube sign elsewhere in the meantime. Then Brind'Amour could stay or go to Seattle leaving TML with plan C.
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NHL
Fri. at 12:10 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Carolina yah better meet Rod's demands money wise and personnel wise soon
As there be a team ready to break the Babcock record per Weeks
And his assistants will also be compensated to ;)</div></div>
What would Toronto do if Berube and Brind'Amour were both off the market? Who would their next choice be?
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NHL
Thu. at 12:51 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Nope and neither does the NFL, NBA or MLB.
You certainly don't understand the structure of these leagues
The individual teams make or lose money. The league doesn't The "league" is just an "administrator" of the rules.</div></div>
They are not just an administrator of the rules, nor are they a non-profit that just breaks-even.
The NHL itself, "the league", not the Owners also gets a share of the revenues generated by the league (teams and the league collectively). This occurs in EVERY league, both pro sports and in US collegiate sports (NCAA). The league builds a pretty substantial amount of money actually. I don't know what the % is but I believe it is less than a full team share but I could be wrong about that as it is not public knowledge.
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NHL
Wed. at 6:31 p.m.
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What would you rather have during the Stanley Cup playoffs ?
C. None of the above. Best series regardless of team's hometown
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NHL
Tue. at 10:05 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>No Devon Toews and Nichuskin seems to have taken all the wind out of Colorado, they looked pretty dead last night</div></div>
It shouldn't be an excuse because we still have a lot of firepower and got Drouin back last night. But I guess the Val thing happened right before the game, like he did morning skate, practices, and team meetings then was pulled either in the locker room or right before.
I think the shuffling of the D pairs was what really threw them off last night. Our Defense is the engine of the team and fuels the breakout and puck possession. Putting Walker on his offhand with a partner that he is unfamiliar with (Makar) and then having a 3rd pair of Jack Johnson-Caleb Jones was really disruptive. They played Girard-Manson alot to make up for it. I don't know that there was a better solution, just that it wasn't ideal.
MacKinnon was his "pre-Cup" frustrated self and wore his emotions on his sleeve; which probably gave Dallas encouragement that they had him rattled. Rantanen has been pretty lost all series for some reason. Lehkonen was a difference maker but his chances were inches away instead of going in and Drouin drove some good play but the Stars have done a great job pushing the Avs to the perimeter. With no Val Nichushkin to open it up the top lines struggled. Miles Wood did well at it but lacked the support to finish.
I seriously would put Wood on a top line in place of Val just to get that physical wrecking ball in to give the skill guys more room to work.
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Mon. at 11:08 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>Avs look like toast</div></div>
Yep. They look like pre-season Avs not post-season
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Mon. at 12:44 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>edeangel84</b></div><div>The Brits and Poland are definitely on the rise to varying degrees. Norway is another one that I really want to see take the next step. France and Italy are probably the most frustrating because if they cared more they could put together teams comparable to the Germans and Swiss. I don’t know why Estonia and Lithuania can’t follow Latvia’s example? Most of Europe could be at least competitive if the interest grows. As far as Asia goes, Japan would be great but if that was going to happen I think it would have followed the Nagano Olympics when the country went into love move with Hasek and Jagr.</div></div>
Yeah good call on Italy too. With the 2026 Olympics and some new arenas hopefully they'll get a bump up in interest and resources especially in Milan, Turin, and Northern Italy.
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NHL
Sun. at 3:37 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>I mean, we had the big 5 before (Canada, US, Sweden, Russia, Finland), now it's a big 4 but Czechia, Slovakia, Germany, Switzerland are all sneaky teams that can produce upsets, we are kinda missing some more sneaky teams though</div></div>
Latvia, Denmark, Norway, France, and Austria are getting more competitive they just need those couple of elite players or quality depth like Germany and Switzerland to have a cinderella type run in a tournament.
England, Poland, and Japan would be awesome countries for ice hockey too
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NHL
May 10 at 9:15 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>
And nobody confronts him on physical play because he’d break them in half too.</div></div>
Look Benn is a physical force but this statement is utter BS. Manson ran him several times after the Toews hit. Put him on his ass on his own bench even. Don't sport crap that isn't true
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NHL
May 10 at 11:19 a.m.
Thread:
New 3v3 league with 30m salary cap
I also just saw that the 3ice league is continuing again this year also. Too many "fringe" hockey leagues will certainly water down the demand and talent.
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NHL
May 10 at 11:17 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Carolina just doesn't seem to have that clutch factor to put them over the edge, 4-3 loss, 4-3 (2OT) loss, 3-2 (OT) loss, so close yet they just can't get the goal they need</div></div>
And in a way this was the Rangers issue in the past also. The teams that don't give up when they hit the wall are the ones that finally break thru. Sometimes it is just coaching/motivation and sometimes it is team construction/chemistry; most likely a strong cocktail of both.
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NHL
May 10 at 11:15 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Carolina just doesn't seem to have that clutch factor to put them over the edge, 4-3 loss, 4-3 (2OT) loss, 3-2 (OT) loss, so close yet they just can't get the goal they need</div></div>
Yet Leafs fandom want to break the bank to get RBA there when that was their same issue as a team; just exposed in round 1 regularly not rounds 2 & 3 like Carolina.
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NHL
May 10 at 11:08 a.m.
Thread:
New 3v3 league with 30m salary cap
The Major League of Hockey could find a foothold with that type of financial backing but the gimmick of 3v3 and 24 minute games I think won't find as much of an audience for them as they think. Obviously this is geared towards a TV/streaming audience with that type of format.
I think they would be better served by doing a "real" hockey league with new rules implemented and 8 teams in North America in large non-NHL markets and 8 teams in Europe in the major markets there. They would attract better talent that way and probably engage more fans.
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NHL
May 9 at 4:24 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>If what's being said about Paul Coffey on twitter's correct for what he did yesterday
Should be fired
Like there has to be a camera that would have caught what he did in the Canucks arena</div></div>
If there was a derogatory gesture then there should be consequences.
I don't know what a "racist hand gesture" is however? Seriously. Guess I'm naive about that
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NHL
May 9 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>All the leaf fans I usually chat with seem super happy about this.
Is berube a favorite?
Quenville? Too soon?
Cooper would be cool but apparently he’s got another year that people didn’t know about or it was misreported.</div></div>
Not a Leafs fan. Quenneville is way too soon and that is too big of a profile market to do that.
Cooper, Sullivan, and Brind'amour are NOT going to TML. This is fantasy; Leafs just need to get over those guys.
Berube, Boudreau, Gallant, Evason, and maybe McLellan are the options
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NHL
May 8 at 11:50 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WJC_Enthusiast</b></div><div>I feel like they could've waited a but longer to sack Hakstol. He didn't do that bad of a job with a underwhelming roster in terms of talent</div></div>
I think that they had success 2 years ago with a really well executed system of play. A "mid" roster but was deep and they could roll lines and everyone pretty much was interchangeable parts.
The flaw in that thinking is that once teams scouted and executed how to beat their system they became a lower mid team since they lacked the elite talent to adapt and make adjustments.
It was a great way to get competitive right away but it isn't going to get them into the next tier of teams. Big risk that they fall backwards, but Ron Francis is gambling they can get the right coach to take them to the next level without the elite talent.
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NHL
May 7 at 9:42 a.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Never look at those look at the comparable and Liligren's comparable rn be Bear due to the similar situation of both guys
Guy signed a 2m x 2 year extension then a 2.2m extension than a 2.05m extension
Remember this happened last time and then he signed 1.4m x 2 when everyone said he would be getting 3m
While 3m x 3 years is ok I see a 2.25-2.5m x 2 years if he gets more your playing him top 4 which is unwise</div></div>
Where are you finding your comps?
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NHL
May 6 at 10:12 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Domi's said numerous times if he stays he is willing to take a discount of course open market he can get more but if he stays its on a discount like what Paul did with TBL
Wouldnt be surprised if its a 3.15m x 7 year deal like Pauls was
Liligren is not gonna get to much. Guy didnt have a super great season and does not have a tonne of leverage see a 2 year 2.25m deal as rn he's a third pair guy who can do a bunch of little things but not excel at them. Basically Liligren got a Bear deal</div></div>
You might get Liljegren on 1 year at that AAV but if there is term it will be around $3m AAV. I dont see any reason to argue against this analysis: <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/maple-leafs-predicting-rfa-defencemen-next-contract/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Predicting Maple Leafs’ Expiring RFA Defencemen’s Next Contracts</a>
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May 6 at 3:42 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>So I did the math.
Bertuzzi will probs get around 4.75m-5.5m and Domi 3-4m both on 5-6 year deals
TOR then has enough to bring in a 4-6m Dman (Roy, Demelo, etc.), Lybushkin at around 1.5m, and a 2m goalie to backup Woll
Its tricky but doable as they have seen some guys step up and graduate
Robertson, McMann (was hurt the series so who knows what we would have seen when healthy), Benoit, Dewar, Holmberg, etc.
Like man it sucks McMann got hurt as he was snakingly becoming a B6 weapon who could score off the rush or just drive the net</div></div>
I think Domi will get more, even as a low end 2C or as a 2nd line winger he is probably in the same range as Bertuzzi. His play down the stretch and in the playoffs has helped him alot.
Also, where did you value Liljegren?
I think there is only room to bring in 2 out of 3 of Domi, Bertuzzi, and a 1st pair RD.
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NHL
May 6 at 3:14 p.m.
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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Apparently per Friedman
Both Bertuzzi and Domi and the TML have mutual interest in a return
TOR is talking with McCabe on extension
Berube is the front runner for HC
Doing the math on if bringing those two back and doing other things is do able and getting what we want but yea its not bad so far.</div></div>
I can't see how much changes for TML if they don't add a high end top 4 RHD. With Pesce, Montour, Roy, Walker, and some others likely on the market they'll need between $5 and $7 million available in free agency; all of those re-signings would use up their cap space along with Liljegren RFA and goalie deals.
Their offense being only created from the top 6 forwards is the most predictable attack; if they got better transition and offense generated from their defense they would be a much more dangerous and consistent team.
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NHL
May 6 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>If I were on the leafs board I would vote to give it one more go.
Worry about Marner/Tavares in 12 months. If one of those 2 approached and wanted out, would facilitate, otherwise, no.
With Utah’s existence; added buying pressure of available on ice talent as well as numerous teams looking for coaches, it is a bad offseason to voluntarily become a buyer of both. Everything is locked up, can focus on building a better team. Can deal with the headaches in a future friendlier environment. Maybe take a shot at a coach if there’s one guy that really moves the needle but if I didn’t get my guy I wouldn’t dump what I have for second best.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I feel rn they have 2 plans
1. Ask either if they would be willing to waive
If yes then they make a move
If no on to plan B
2. Same **** build around them and see</div></div>
Yeah the coaching decision is the front and center (another HC let go before extension?)
Player wise there really is just a few things that can do to improve the team vs "change for change's sake".
Pick 1 UFA: Max Domi or Tyler Bertuzzi
#1 RD in Free Agency
Goalie (1A or 1B) in Free Agency
Beyond that it is coaching/execution/systems and the role of the youth movement: Knies, Quillan, Minten, Cowan, Grebyonkin, Niemela, Hildeby getting any meaningful roles in 2024-25.
Predicting/expecting anything major beyond that requires 2 or 3 "steps" to come together that are impossible to determine today at this stage
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NHL Signings
May 6 at 12:39 p.m.
Thread:
Detroit Red Wings signed Axel Sandin Pellikka (3 Years / $1,450,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Josebel</b></div><div>One more year for ASP to gain muscle and elevate his overall game and good luck he might be NHL ready.
I have also have fingers crossed for Andrew Gibson to make it NHL eventually.
He could be a beast!</div></div>
Yeah a solid 3rd pair guy at a minimum. Also should include Shai Buium on the left side; he could be in the mix as well.
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NHL Signings
May 6 at 11:38 a.m.
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Detroit Red Wings signed Axel Sandin Pellikka (3 Years / $1,450,000 AAV)
The sooner he gets to the NHL, the sooner Seider can be used more effectively and the team's overall defensive production will improve.
The left side of the future is pretty much: Edvinsson, Walman, Wallinder/Johansson they really need ASP to become a 2nd pair staple as soon as possible.
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