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Philadelphia Flyers signed Ivan Fedotov (2 Years / $3,275,000 AAV)

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May 5 at 5:54 p.m.
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you are just hell bent on bad points. Do you really think anyone needs to jump through hoops to get a young military age male out of Russia right now?
Are you kidding me? You realize they have been bolting for the door for some time now. Those who can get out.....wisely do. Hell there are pictures all over the internet of them flocked to Dubai, Indonesia, Georgia...etc. So yeah it's pretty odd to give a guy who's never played in the NHL that much. Or claim doing so helps bring another guy, who you admit tried to dodge military service over.
I have no doubt that guy wants to bolt the hell out of there.
I also think you are the one kidding yourself if you think in Russia, you need to hand that money over to someone to "help" you in any kind of legitimate way. You don't need to bring another guy over to bribe someone in Russia.
Anyway, my view is still the same, they paid a lot of money for a guy with not one game of NHL experience. Who they could have left sit in russia at that point. If they really needed a goalie that bad, it's not like there were not options. The problem for the Flyers was that the front office didn't want to pursue those options which probably cost them a playoff spot this year. Just like NJ.
But lets not pretend there aren't options. Like people want to pay guys in the AHL 4.5 mil salaries when they are heading into a cap crunch.
I'm just being honest about the whole situation, you are trying to take a square peg and shove it into a round hole and think everyone else should look at it and say, oh yeah that's normal.
It's not.
Which is why the vote count up there is HUGE in the NO vote section.
It's you that aren't willing to recognize that.... not me.


Jump through hoops to get him over here? What are you even talking about? It’s well documented we tried to get him over here years ago and couldn’t. Not sure why you can’t admit that one?
But really in the end it’s actually not a lot of money! That’s your whole point and it’s literally nothing compared to what most teams are paying their goalies, Florida and Knight included! If we were in a cap crunch and really needed every last penny or were even legitimate playoff contenders then you can make an argument. But we’re far from that so the risk is next to nothing.
I mean if they do just want to give us Knight for pennies then trust me I’m all for it but I’m simply making the case that they won’t just give him away at this point, which is reasonable.
Your scenario? Not very reasonable actually to imagine one of the best run teams in the league to sell so low on a guy his age with that much upside.
We didn’t lose a playoff spot because of anything other than the Hart situation completely screwing us over. We were sellers at the deadline for a reason.
Either way I’m glad we’re picking at #12 instead of closer to 20. Good for the rebuild.
You are obviously very clueless about how Russia works. It’s all about money there, has been for a long time. Laughable you can’t admit that. I’m not saying it’s a huge factor or anything was just something to note that it doesn’t hurt hooking up the guy that’s going to help get Michkov over before his contract is up, which can be difficult in certain situations.
I don’t care there are a bunch of no votes, people love to hate on the Flyers. I love it. I also never claimed it was normal. This is one of the weirdest situations with a player from overseas I think I’ve ever seen before.
May 5 at 6:01 p.m.
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Jump through hoops to get him over here? What are you even talking about? It’s well documented we tried to get him over here years ago and couldn’t. Not sure why you can’t admit that one?
But really in the end it’s actually not a lot of money! That’s your whole point and it’s literally nothing compared to what most teams are paying their goalies, Florida and Knight included! If we were in a cap crunch and really needed every last penny or were even legitimate playoff contenders then you can make an argument. But we’re far from that so the risk is next to nothing.
I mean if they do just want to give us Knight for pennies then trust me I’m all for it but I’m simply making the case that they won’t just give him away at this point, which is reasonable.
Your scenario? Not very reasonable actually to imagine one of the best run teams in the league to sell so low on a guy his age with that much upside.
We didn’t lose a playoff spot because of anything other than the Hart situation completely screwing us over. We were sellers at the deadline for a reason.
Either way I’m glad we’re picking at #12 instead of closer to 20. Good for the rebuild.
You are obviously very clueless about how Russia works. It’s all about money there, has been for a long time. Laughable you can’t admit that. I’m not saying it’s a huge factor or anything was just something to note that it doesn’t hurt hooking up the guy that’s going to help get Michkov over before his contract is up, which can be difficult in certain situations.
I don’t care there are a bunch of no votes, people love to hate on the Flyers. I love it. I also never claimed it was normal. This is one of the weirdest situations with a player from overseas I think I’ve ever seen before.


"You are obviously very clueless about how Russia works. It’s all about money there,"
I mean this really says it all.
you think everyone knows nothing and you are some grand sitting on a pillar talking down to people" are you an ivy league school professor?
Well here is one for you professor. You don't need a legitimate way to bribe people in Russia. You can just send a check to their back account, no questions asked.
I know you think the rest of us don't know how it "works" over there, but clearly you're a little behind the 8 ball.

You just paid a military age Russian a ton of money to help him flee russia. You can't figure out you didn't need to do that?
Don't really know what to say there. You should have offered him league min and let him earn it. If he says no, cool, stay and get drafted. Good luck with the drones.

You just don't seem to get what everyone voting above realizes. I'm done trying to help you figure it out.
May 5 at 6:24 p.m.
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Edited May 5 at 6:39 p.m.
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"You are obviously very clueless about how Russia works. It’s all about money there,"
I mean this really says it all.
you think everyone knows nothing and you are some grand sitting on a pillar talking down to people" are you an ivy league school professor?
Well here is one for you professor. You don't need a legitimate way to bribe people in Russia. You can just send a check to their back account, no questions asked.
I know you think the rest of us don't know how it "works" over there, but clearly you're a little behind the 8 ball.

You just paid a military age Russian a ton of money to help him flee russia. You can't figure out you didn't need to do that?
Don't really know what to say there. You should have offered him league min and let him earn it. If he says no, cool, stay and get drafted. Good luck with the drones.

You just don't seem to get what everyone voting above realizes. I'm done trying to help you figure it out.


Nothing wrong with doing things nice and clean like Danny did here though. We likely would just write a check if it was that simple. But it’s not.
Anyways, you might have to overpay some guys (see how I’m admitting again that we’re overpaying?) to get them to come over. I think you probably know this but just don’t want to admit it for some reason.
Shipachayov, Gusev, Panarin to name a few weren’t coming over on a league minimum prove it contract. Have to give them comparable to what they would get overseas or they just won’t come over.
It’s not that complicated really and again it’s not even that much money. Hell the Leafs had to give Jonas Gustavsson like 2.5m to come over too and that was like 15 years ago. So quit acting like this is unprecedented or something.
May 5 at 6:38 p.m.
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Nothing wrong with doing things nice and clean like Danny. We likely would just write a check if it was that simple. But it’s not. Anyways, you might have to overpay some guys (see how I’m admitting again that we’re overpaying?) to get them to come over. I think you probably know this but just don’t want to admit it for some reason.
Shipachayov, Gusev, Panarin to name a few weren’t coming over on a league minimum prove it contract. Have to give them comparable to what they would get overseas or they just won’t come over.
It’s not that complicated really and again it’s not even that much money. Hell the Leafs had to give Jonas Gustavsson like 2.5m to come over too and that was like 15 years ago. So quit acting like this is unprecedented or something.


Shipachayov, Gusev, Panarin weren't trying to escape a war that has 500k dead or seriously wounded russians.

Stop pretending there is anything normal about it. You have it in your head they NEEDED to do this. They didn't.
You'd be a horrible negotiator.
May 5 at 7:27 p.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
Shipachayov, Gusev, Panarin weren't trying to escape a war that has 500k dead or seriously wounded russians.

Stop pretending there is anything normal about it. You have it in your head they NEEDED to do this. They didn't.
You'd be a horrible negotiator.


He’s not trying to escape a war either there buddy lol he played 50 games in the KHL last year and could sign again for a comparable amount if he didn’t want to pursue the NHL.
You are just rambling at this point, at least try to make a little sense. The war in Ukraine has nothing to do with this now, no need to talk about casualties my goodness man.
You need to get over this idea that it's possible to get top proven players from across the pond that are over 25 years old for a minimum NHL contract. It doesn’t happen. I gave you plenty of examples but you’re still stuck thinking it’s some how different, it’s not man.
May 20 at 10:32 a.m.
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"You are obviously very clueless about how Russia works. It’s all about money there,"
I mean this really says it all.
you think everyone knows nothing and you are some grand sitting on a pillar talking down to people" are you an ivy league school professor?
Well here is one for you professor. You don't need a legitimate way to bribe people in Russia. You can just send a check to their back account, no questions asked.
I know you think the rest of us don't know how it "works" over there, but clearly you're a little behind the 8 ball.

You just paid a military age Russian a ton of money to help him flee russia. You can't figure out you didn't need to do that?
Don't really know what to say there. You should have offered him league min and let him earn it. If he says no, cool, stay and get drafted. Good luck with the drones.

You just don't seem to get what everyone voting above realizes. I'm done trying to help you figure it out.


Well it appears what I was talking about may have some truth to it. Information is coming out of Russia the last few days and it appears the Flyers are trying to get Michkov over ASAP, maybe even for this upcoming season. It’s also been brought up that in order to buy him out of his current KHL contract the Flyers can’t just write a check. The money has to come from Michkov or his agent. Wanna talk again now how it might be a good thing we gave that same agent a few extra dollars?
May 20 at 7:56 p.m.
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Well it appears what I was talking about may have some truth to it. Information is coming out of Russia the last few days and it appears the Flyers are trying to get Michkov over ASAP, maybe even for this upcoming season. It’s also been brought up that in order to buy him out of his current KHL contract the Flyers can’t just write a check. The money has to come from Michkov or his agent. Wanna talk again now how it might be a good thing we gave that same agent a few extra dollars?


Again I don't think people fleeing Russia has anything to do with any of that.
He wants out. They just passed a law on transporting citizens for their labor shortages due to the war casualties. I'd be trying to get the hell out now too if I was him.
So I wouldn't be trying to connect dots man. Life is way more complicated than that.
May 21 at 10:53 a.m.
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Again I don't think people fleeing Russia has anything to do with any of that.
He wants out. They just passed a law on transporting citizens for their labor shortages due to the war casualties. I'd be trying to get the hell out now too if I was him.
So I wouldn't be trying to connect dots man. Life is way more complicated than that.


Wow. All I can say is wow. Can’t concede one little bit lol I get it you’ve come this far you can’t really turn back now. Even though exactly what I said is very likely happening and just a few months after this Fedotov contract was signed it appears we are going at it from every angle to Michkov over here way before anyone thought we could. Go ahead and bring the war up but it has nothing to do with it. NA players are going over to Russia to play and Russians are coming over here to play, quit trying to over complicate things.
Tue. at 6:09 p.m.
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Wow. All I can say is wow. Can’t concede one little bit lol I get it you’ve come this far you can’t really turn back now. Even though exactly what I said is very likely happening and just a few months after this Fedotov contract was signed it appears we are going at it from every angle to Michkov over here way before anyone thought we could. Go ahead and bring the war up but it has nothing to do with it. NA players are going over to Russia to play and Russians are coming over here to play, quit trying to over complicate things.


you are so out of touch you are just making things up.
No one is going there to play, no one. It's a known issue.
People are fleeing left and right to the point they have huge labor shortages all across the country and are mobilizing by law, people to be transferred across time zones to fill jobs.
Most people are terrified of being drafted and here is you, trying to speculate some point on a player trying to get the hell out of dodge into some imaginary circumstance.

Like here is a clue man, They are fleeing, getting out any way they can.
His agent is no more than a cartel person trying to get money for shuffling people over boarders.
That's it at this point. If he had any others he could do that for and get paid he would. It has nothing to do with what you paid someone else. It's just opportunism for people trying to get the hell out of dodge.
Tue. at 10:13 p.m.
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you are so out of touch you are just making things up.
No one is going there to play, no one. It's a known issue.
People are fleeing left and right to the point they have huge labor shortages all across the country and are mobilizing by law, people to be transferred across time zones to fill jobs.
Most people are terrified of being drafted and here is you, trying to speculate some point on a player trying to get the hell out of dodge into some imaginary circumstance.

Like here is a clue man, They are fleeing, getting out any way they can.
His agent is no more than a cartel person trying to get money for shuffling people over boarders.
That's it at this point. If he had any others he could do that for and get paid he would. It has nothing to do with what you paid someone else. It's just opportunism for people trying to get the hell out of dodge.


You have literally no idea what you’re talking about. There were 3 Americans, that were drafted by NHL teams, that signed with KHL teams literally TODAY. You are the only one making stuff up. Maybe pay attention to what’s actually going on with the KHL and not what you’re seeing on the nightly news and all the war stuff. KHL free agency is open and players from all over the world are signing.

And you are just simply wrong about Michkov’s agent. The Flyers are not allowed to simply write a check for the supposed cost of getting out of Michkov’s current contract which is being reported to be 400k. The money has to come from him OR his agent. This has been reported. Put the 2 pieces together my friend, it’s not hard.
Tue. at 11:36 p.m.
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You have literally no idea what you’re talking about. There were 3 Americans, that were drafted by NHL teams, that signed with KHL teams literally TODAY. You are the only one making stuff up. Maybe pay attention to what’s actually going on with the KHL and not what you’re seeing on the nightly news and all the war stuff. KHL free agency is open and players from all over the world are signing.

And you are just simply wrong about Michkov’s agent. The Flyers are not allowed to simply write a check for the supposed cost of getting out of Michkov’s current contract which is being reported to be 400k. The money has to come from him OR his agent. This has been reported. Put the 2 pieces together my friend, it’s not hard.


I have no idea what I'm talking about, this started in mass 2 years ago and has not reversed.
Not only does it have to do with everything that is going on over there but on top of it.
It has a whole ton to do with the fact they are paid in Rubles that are damn near worthless and that they can't exchange anywhere.

But keep stretching conspiracy theories. Keep thinking things are "normal."

You are really clueless as to the world you are living in. There is a documents trail of proof of guys getting the hell out the KHL. All you have to do is use google to prove that.
foreign players left a long time ago. They don't want to be the next Brittney Griner. But go on there dude. Tell willy wonka there in phantasy land in your head hi for me.
Wed. at 9:30 a.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
I have no idea what I'm talking about, this started in mass 2 years ago and has not reversed.
Not only does it have to do with everything that is going on over there but on top of it.
It has a whole ton to do with the fact they are paid in Rubles that are damn near worthless and that they can't exchange anywhere.

But keep stretching conspiracy theories. Keep thinking things are "normal."

You are really clueless as to the world you are living in. There is a documents trail of proof of guys getting the hell out the KHL. All you have to do is use google to prove that.
foreign players left a long time ago. They don't want to be the next Brittney Griner. But go on there dude. Tell willy wonka there in phantasy land in your head hi for me.


Just making more stuff up lol. I’ve proved you wrong over and over and over again. And when Michkov comes over you’ll be proved yet AGAIN.

Luke Johnson, Josh Brook and Scott Wilson; The 3 North American NHL drafted prospects that literally just signed with KHL teams yesterday. And no doubt there will be more this week.
Nikita Zaitsev, just finished an almost 10 year stint in the NHL, is one of the most attractive free agents that’s heading to the KHL. Along with Plotnikov and Grigorenko.
Do you want me to keep going? Because this is what you get when you ‘google’ KHL.
Like you know the KHL operated completely normal last year? And like half of the top 10 scorers in the league were from North America? But yeah something something no one wants to go there because Britney Griner… lol you seem to be speaking from your butt cheeks sir.
Wed. at 9:30 a.m.
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
I have no idea what I'm talking about, this started in mass 2 years ago and has not reversed.
Not only does it have to do with everything that is going on over there but on top of it.
It has a whole ton to do with the fact they are paid in Rubles that are damn near worthless and that they can't exchange anywhere.

But keep stretching conspiracy theories. Keep thinking things are "normal."

You are really clueless as to the world you are living in. There is a documents trail of proof of guys getting the hell out the KHL. All you have to do is use google to prove that.
foreign players left a long time ago. They don't want to be the next Brittney Griner. But go on there dude. Tell willy wonka there in phantasy land in your head hi for me.


Just making more stuff up lol. I’ve proved you wrong over and over and over again. Looks like I have to keep going lol..

Luke Johnson, Josh Brook and Scott Wilson; The 3 North American NHL drafted prospects that literally just signed with KHL teams yesterday. And no doubt there will be more this week.

Nikita Zaitsev, just finished an almost 10 year stint in the NHL, is one of the most attractive free agents that’s heading to the KHL. Along with Plotnikov and Grigorenko.

Do you want me to keep going? Because this is what you get when you ‘google’ KHL.
Like you know the KHL operated completely normal last year? And like half of the top 10 scorers in the league were from North America? But yeah something something no one wants to go there because Britney Griner… lol you seem to be speaking from your butt cheeks sir.
 
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