Rossi is available, but not in the way where the Wild are just trying to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him. He had a very good rookie season, and in order for the Wild to move him, it would take something that they feel improves the roster long term, or is a better fit from a play-style standpoint.
Per Russo:
What are the chances Marco Rossi gets traded?
Higher than you’d think. If the Wild could trade Rossi for the same level of high-end prospect, but one who’s bigger and faster, there’s a real chance they’d pull the trigger.
For instance, the Wild were interested in Cutter Gauthier before Philadelphia traded his rights to Anaheim. That is the type of trade they might consider for Rossi.
It doesn’t have to be a center, either.
Recently, on a podcast he also mentioned a few other guys as examples of what the Wild might be looking for if they trade him, from Columbus, Marchenko, Sillinger, Johnson. He also stated it would likely be for guys that are in some way on the outs with their current club, whether they don't fit, aren't happy, etc. Obviously most of these guys won't apply, but we also didn't know Gauthier was on his way out until he was.
***This means that they're not looking for your package of lesser parts, and they're not looking for your high cost pending UFA.***
I've taken the liberty of putting together a list of some more guys they could explore.
Keep in mind:
1) If your team/player isn't listed, it's most likely because you have nothing that works
2) Your team/player being listed doesn't mean your team/player is bad or you have nothing of value, it just means you don't have what Minnesota is looking for in this deal
3) Just because your guy is listed, doesn't mean you or your team would actually move him, in fact most of these guys aren't going to be available in real life (In other words you don't need to tell me your guy isn't available, I know)
4) Players listed are not all 1 for 1 swaps, in some cases the Wild add, in some cases your team adds, in some cases it may be a 1 for 1 swap. I'm not focused on finding an actual trade here, just showing examples of candidates I (the Wild) would/could/should go after
Trades
1.
MIN
Cutter Gauthier
Leo Carlsson
Mason McTavish
ANA
Marco Rossi
2.
MIN
Daniil But
Josh Doan
Dylan Guenther
ARI
Marco Rossi
3.
MIN
Jiri Kulich
Dylan Cozens
BUF
Marco Rossi
4.
MIN
Connor Zary
CGY
Marco Rossi
5.
MIN
Calum Ritchie
COL
Marco Rossi
6.
MIN
*Kent Johnson
*Cole Sillinger
*Mirill Marchenko
Yegor Chinakhov
*These three were mentioned specifically by Russo on the podcast as other examples
If you were containing it to "just pieces on their way out of their organizations" then you should have limited the list to players for which there are actualy rumors of that happening. There's zero for any of Anaheims players and the majority of the rest of your wish list.
Like Cutter Gauthier, whom he was floated around for before he was moved to Anaheim.
Again, that's what he's available for. He's not just available for the sake of being available.
People can't grasp what you're saying and I think it's hilarious. The Wild don't trade Rossi without a similar or better player coming back (with additions from Minnesota).
I think you lose people when listing guys like Cozens and Carlsson though. It would take a sizeable add from Minnesota for those pieces, like a piece that is worth more than Rossi.
People can't grasp what you're saying and I think it's hilarious. The Wild don't trade Rossi without a similar or better player coming back (with additions from Minnesota).
I think you lose people when listing guys like Cozens and Carlsson. It would take a sizeable add from Minnesota for those pieces, like a piece that is worth more than Rossi.
Yeah, I'm sure, but Cutter Gauthier would have probably been in the Leo Carlsson tier before he was moved for Drysdale of all people (an undersized offensive defenseman with not a lot of offensive and less defense who's oft injured).
I wanted to include a range of players, player types, values to give a more holistic view of the pieces. That's why Carlsson and Cozens are on there to represent the high end, and a guy like Greig is on there to represent the low end.
At the end of the day, I've been pretty clear that I'm not making proposals for these guys, especially 1 for 1, as things stand, but that when we say Rossi is available, he's only available if guys like this become available from their teams. And that's what no one seems to be able to comprehend.
4 pages, one Rossi trade. Some teams might take a flyer on him but they aren't going to trade better pieces for him.
One Rossi trade in four pages right now. Don't tell me there haven't been dozens more in the last few days, because I've seen them.
You still don't seem to be comprehending the point here. Teams won't be "taking a flyer on him" because he isn't actually available for those "take a flyer" offers. Minnesota is not giving him away just to give him away. When it's said that Rossi is "available", it means he's available if a similar or better piece also becomes available from another team. A la Cutter Gauthier. That's when Rossi becomes available.
Like Cutter Gauthier, whom he was floated around for before he was moved to Anaheim.
Again, that's what he's available for. He's not just available for the sake of being available.
I thought you were floating the Cutter trade as an example of the type of trade Minnesota wants.
But I would not expect a player like Cutter in return.
Seems more likely Guerin ends up as the Philly side, sells Rossi for two lesser pieces (and doesn’t start an unwanted contract) than getting a guy like Cutter, Carlsson, Guenther, etc. Kent Johnson perhaps the high water mark. Arthur Kaliyev probably the bottom of the range. Kasper, Wood, or Miro maybe in plausible in one-for-one swaps.
I do agree with you that if rossi is moved it will be for high value, but I don't think teams will just do a young player swap with you just for the sake of doing it. I could more likely see picks and a good caliber NHLer unless a prospect needs like a change of scenery
I thought you were floating the Cutter trade as an example of the type of trade Minnesota wants.
But I would not expect a player like Cutter in return.
Seems more likely Guerin ends up as the Philly side, sells Rossi for two lesser pieces (and doesn’t start an unwanted contract) than getting a guy like Cutter, Carlsson, Guenther, etc. Kent Johnson perhaps the high water mark. Arthur Kaliyev probably the bottom of the range. Kasper, Wood, or Miro maybe in plausible in one-for-one swaps.
I'm not "excpecting" a guy like Gauthier, or Carlsson, in return. I am telling people those are the types of players that would make Rossi available. Gauthier and Carlsson on the high end, obviously Rossi is available for them. It's not to suggest that's Rossi's value or that those deals end up happening or that those players end up becoming available. Kaliyev is a no go. Kasper, Wood, Kent Johnson, Miroshnichenko all in the acceptable range somewhere, as I have them listed here.
I don't see Rossi being traded if it's for a package of a much lesser piece and a 2nd, like Gauthier for Drysdale was. And I, as the ACGM, certainly wouldn't make that move.
I do agree with you that if rossi is moved it will be for high value, but I don't think teams will just do a young player swap with you just for the sake of doing it. I could more likely see picks and a good caliber NHLer unless a prospect needs like a change of scenery
I'm not expecting a swap just for the sake of a swap, I'm expecting a swap if there's another guy out there in the acceptable range that becomes available from his team as well, for whatever reason.
One Rossi trade in four pages right now. Don't tell me there haven't been dozens more in the last few days, because I've seen them.
You still don't seem to be comprehending the point here. Teams won't be "taking a flyer on him" because he isn't actually available for those "take a flyer" offers. Minnesota is not giving him away just to give him away. When it's said that Rossi is "available", it means he's available if a similar or better piece also becomes available from another team. A la Cutter Gauthier. That's when Rossi becomes available.
I hope this helps.
Then why make this post if he's not being shopped? This is a place where you make a mock team full of signings and trades but you make a post about trading someone who isn't being shopped?
I'm not "excpecting" a guy like Gauthier, or Carlsson, in return. I am telling people those are the types of players that would make Rossi available. Gauthier and Carlsson on the high end, obviously Rossi is available for them. It's not to suggest that's Rossi's value or that those deals end up happening or that those players end up becoming available. Kaliyev is a no go. Kasper, Wood, Kent Johnson, Miroshnichenko all in the acceptable range somewhere, as I have them listed here.
I don't see Rossi being traded if it's for a package of a much lesser piece and a 2nd, like Gauthier for Drysdale was. And I, as the ACGM, certainly wouldn't make that move.
I would just skip the 1-for-1 part…and just say he will be used in a package to upgrade roster.
Also, I wouldn’t limit to guys who are in the outs with their team. I would look at undervalued guys (down year) or guys heading to RFA or positional swap (like for dman).
4 pages, one Rossi trade. Some teams might take a flyer on him but they aren't going to trade better pieces for him.
Are you f***ing serious, right now?
If you haven't seen them, then you're not paying attention.
There's been at least a dozen within the past 24 hrs. That's at least 10 pages of accumulated ACGM posts bar minimum in that time frame.
And that's when it's non-rush hour traffic on-site during the weekend.
Fact is, it's been closer to 30-40 posts over the course of the week, and around 100 for the past two.
Last week it was Habs fans. Today it was all the Leaf fans and their ridiculous Marner to Minnesota trades. Of which, which player was apart of those trades?
This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, don't understand why everyone has trouble with it. I could see Florida kicking the tires if they feel they can't get Lundell signed cheap enough or agree scarred of an offer sheet.
He is better than Rossi at the same age and pretty much equivalent to him now while being bigger
I mean Rossi had just missed an entire season with myocarditis when he was Roy's age and he's definitely not equivalent to him now. If that were true why are you asking me about him? Just keep him and enjoy.
I mean Rossi had just missed an entire season with myocarditis when he was Roy's age and he's definitely not equivalent to him now. If that were true why are you asking me about him? Just keep him and enjoy.
Cuz you asked for an equivalent prospect. I gave you one more realistic than the guys you putted up there
Then why make this post if he's not being shopped? This is a place where you make a mock team full of signings and trades but you make a post about trading someone who isn't being shopped?
Because there are reports of him being available, and people on this site have been misinterpreting the circumstances under which he's available, and inundating Wild fans with nonstop threads for days.
If you don't care about Rossi, and you haven't been involved in those threads, then this thread is not for you, and I have no idea why you're still here trying to tell me it isn't happening.
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