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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 12:26 a.m.
Thread: Berube
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>Tkachuk has been so much better than Marner only in the playoffs since moving to FLR (last 2-years). Of course, a lot of GMs would rather have Tkachuk for the type of player he is and the value he brings but that doesn't mean he's better than Marner.

Again Marner is not overpaid. Since signing his deal (last-5 years), there are only 7-players with a higher PPG rate, Kucherov, Panarin, and Pastrnak being the only wingers. Last 3-years:

Kucherov 1.55
Panarin 1.29
Marner, Patrnak, Rantanen 1.27
Kaprisov &amp; Tkachuk 1.25

After that, there's a big drop off. Either all of those guys are 11M wingers now or there all overpaid because Kucherov makes 9.5M and is producing at a rate of 21+pts/season.</div></div>

But how much of his production is based on Matthews and Nylander? We don’t know. That is a huge risk considering his contract. Pasta has proven his value even being away from Bergeron. Notice the only player on that list that hasn’t done anything in the playoffs…Marner. Kaprizov is the outlier bc his team has not been consistently good enough to make the playoffs.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 12:14 a.m.
Thread: Berube
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>I was thinking the same thing except one of the other wingers instead of Texier. Wouldn't be rewarding the Leafs anything, there's a lot of risk with Laine (his injury and they can't negotiate an extension so he could be a 2-year rental), and Boqvist and Texier are change-of-scenery candidates. So, it's probably pretty even in terms of risk, I do think it would have to be someone with more upside than Texier (like Chinakov), and probably a condition on the 2nd pick that it upgrades to a 1st if the Leafs miss the playoffs and the Jackets make it.

Something like KJ+Laine could work like Viqsi suggested, but I wouldn't imagine that happens until Laine plays some more games. By then CLB might not be willing to move either guy or Marner could already be traded or re-signed.</div></div>

The Jackets will not move Chinakhov and Laine. It would defeat the purpose. The Jackets are trying to get to the playoffs and finally become a contender.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:54 p.m.
Thread: Berube
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>For the sake of the OP, let's assume that Marner to the Jackets is actually plausible. In such a scenario, Jiricek is a nonstarter. Other nonstarters include the 4th overall, Werenski, and Fantilli. And Jenner is also one for all practical purposes, but y'all should know that already given how many times we've had to reiterate that.

Having three wingers paid about $30m is not going to be a thing here, so you would be obliged to take back some kind of significant cap. Which pretty much means Laine. But Laine is our house money guy; if he's in the deal, it's because if he bounces back he's a top-line scoring winger. So he would not be a "cap dump" inclusion; he'd have to be considered as part of the value proposition of the deal for Toronto. So you're looking at, as a basis, Laine+ for Marner. If that's not acceptable then all discussions are already over.

Where to go from there is negotiable. We've had productive discussions along the lines of KJ+Laine for Marner before, for example. But there are some lines that really won't be crossed in this stuff, because at the end of the day, we're not seeking Marner. We'll take an interest in the opportunity if it's cost-effective and practical, but he's not someone the Jackets would be falling all over themselves to get.</div></div>

Realistically, the only trade that would make any sense for Marner would be Marner for Laine, Boqvist, Texier, and 2024 2nd. That is it. I would want the Jackets to do the leg work on an extension and not reward the Leafs. We take the risk of him leaving while testing to see if he is a fit long term.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 11:50 p.m.