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Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: I should be GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>It’s a reality that will be used as part of the compensation and it’s tied to the team of his choice.

If he’s signing with that team, he’s incented to make it hard for you to secure a lot of talent from that team which is the hard part.

It will likely be a star for star type deal with a player you didn’t think was available, but Florida did it to bring culture and leadership in with Tkachuck. My assumption is Toronto will try to do the same thing.

You say he’s a top 5 wing. I believe I can get up to around 9 wings that teams wouldn’t trade for Marner. There is value in that, but any team that signs him has to give up 11.5 to 12.5M in cap space long term depending on what’s going back to Toronto.</div></div>

That's more rationalization. Players don't worry about that. Tkachuk didn't think about the return for Calgary. He thought about where he wanted to play. Teams made contact and he probably gave his GM a few places he would be open to signing with and then the best offer won. It'll be the same for Marner. RFA vs UFA doesn't matter. It's young stars in their primes. It's the same. Anyone saying otherwise is making up stuff to rationalize their desire to see Marner go for nothing.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: I should be GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Leverage is kind of a strange thing. I believe it is often misrepresented by fans. Teams are always going to have flaws. Marner’s presence doesn’t prevent Toronto from building a roster. While I believe they can do better with a trade, they don’t have to give him up.

Ultimately, a trade will come with the bells and whistles tied to an expiring contract as well as having the prerequisite cap room to fit him in.</div></div>

It's the same at Tkachuk, he has a NMC, he will decide where he goes and that will absolutely mean a contract will be involved. So the "1 year" issue is pure rationalization. Why would he waive his NMC to go to a team he doesn't want to sign with?

It's really easy to spot the holes in the "Marner has no value" argument. It's a bunch of made up nonsense.
Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
Thread: I should be GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>To be fair, trades are hard to complete. I don’t believe these are close in value to what other teams would accept.</div></div>

Look, we all understand the bias we fans all have towards our favorite teams. Where this gets dumb is when people have a massive bias against a team as well. And that's what this is. If ever Ovie when he was 27, was made available, everyone would try their best to get him. Literally any other star player, people would be clamouring over themselves to get it down if they can. 1 year left of Marner somehow gives him less value than rentals for this past deadline, none of which come remotely close to as good a player Marner is. It's all made up nonsense to lower the price, all to fuel the negative bias you have towards the Leafs. The closest comparable is Tkachuk, none of you will admit it but it's true. He dictated where he went, and he didn't have a contract at the time. No one was going to trade for him without a contract in place. Same would happen for Marner and if you need to move cap to make it happen, many teams will do so. Because you almost never have a chance to get a top 5 player at their position. Ever.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: What is Marners Value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mferraro</b></div><div>In reality, pretty low for a player of his level unless the perfect situation arises.

The Leafs won't trade him for scrap and he can make it really difficult on us to trade him using his NMC. Obviously he is a top winger in the league but he controls his destiny here. He could end up one of the most hated athletes in Toronto sport history if he makes it difficult for us to move him and then leave in FA. I don't believe that will happen but I'm operating under the assumption that he plays his hand that he does not want to leave here, submits a trade list that make it difficult to trade him and then signs an extension at some point.

The time to trade him was last year if you're in the boat of getting rid of him. That ship has most likely sailed. I could potentially see options with VGK, WPG, PHI, NSH among others but I'd label them as longshots at best.</div></div>

This is the way leaf fans think, or at least too many of us. If Marner wants to stay and refuses a trade and then Treliving lets him walk for nothing to save cap, Marner will be hated. Not Treliving for bungling the situation.

Willy is hated by many for taking 11.5 when Treliving could have had him for 10 before the season started but wanted to play hardball. Treliving sucks, he's going to ruin the Leafs.