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Forum: NHL Trades8 hours ago
Thread: (TBL/NSH) - McDonagh for Myers, Mismash
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>1. Tampa never bought out Philippe Myers.

In this thread, you implied repeatedly that it was going to happen.

It didn't.




2. You also said, "Trade value is irrelevant if a NTC blocks a team from extracting it".



McDonagh had a NTC and specifically asked for a trade back to Tampa.

Much like Tarasenko having a NTC and specifically asking for a trade to Florida.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nhl/predators/2024/05/21/barry-trotz-ryan-mcdonagh-trade-nashville-predators-tampa-bay-lightning/73788303007/



Knowing that they were asked by Nashville to re-acquire McDonagh, Tampa could have decided not to allow Nashville to extract any trade value.

Given that McDonagh was traded by Tampa to Nashville for next to nothing besides the cap space.

They decided to give Nashville a 2nd round pick instead.

Trade value is relevant.




3. You said, "there is an opportunity cost for them to acquire McDonagh, which is they now tie up 27 million on him that could have been used on a different player".

Why should Tampa have to pay a 2nd round pick for the opportunity cost of acquiring McDonagh while Nashville didn't have to pay anything ?

Doesn't seem fair.

This is like Patrick asking Spongebob for the opportunity cost of borrowing a quarter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeTbIa-OsMQ




4. You said, "If Tampa can make better use of that 27 million than they would by keeping McDonagh, the trade is a win for them."

Apparently, they couldn't.




5. Trades aren't supposed to be win/win situations.

Trades are supposed to be zero sum games.

Everything else is spin.

It's very simple stuff.</div></div>

If your main point here is that Tampa overpaid by giving Nashville a 2nd-round pick to re-acquire McDonagh in 2024, I agree with you on that (assuming McDonagh asked for a trade to Tampa and Nashville felt that keeping him wasn't a good option), but that doesn't make this 2022 trade a mistake. They needed to shed cap hit at the time, and they thought trading McDonagh was the best way to do that (though as I said in my comments at the time, he's not the first person I would have tried to move for that). Since then they've shed some other contracts and the cap has gone up, so now they can afford to take his contract back.

I disagree with your claim that trades aren't supposed to be win/win. Teams go into most trades thinking it's going to make them better at some point, so if both teams get what they think they're going to get out of it, it's a win/win. Sometimes it's more about minimizing a loss, like getting whatever you can for a pending UFA before the deadline, but minimizing a loss can also be thought of as a win.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago
Thread: Retool
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