Yeah, because that's what competitive hockey players who want to do anything they can to help their team win on the ice do... This part is stupid as players play through stuff bc they want to win and they believe they provide their team the best chance to win...

I love how you ignored that I mentioned past playoffs, Matthews has been better than Willy and everyone else...

It is. It's a window into his mind and it's not good. He sees himself as bigger than anything else. He's probably a decent teammate but he's pretty immature. He's gotta go.

Take a look at a few cities and decide where you want to go. But its not here anymore. Doesn't matter if you are a local boy, god complexes are for somewhere else.

Oh I will, when he is the one that made the mistake. But that play is not on him. Rielly and Samsonov shoulder the blame there. Not Marner.

Other things he did definitely deserve scrutiny but certainly not that. It's the same as blaming him for a goal against after a line change when everyone was in good position but mistakes by those players resulted in a goal. The guy wasn't even on the ice.

For the OT winner, had Marner chased pasta, pasta could have back handed it to the point where no one was now defending and the leafs would have been out of position and chasing the play. Who knows what could have happened but in that instance, a dump in from centre to that corner is the defencemans responsibility. Rielly hesitated for a second and changed directions. (Hence why I think he expected the puck to go behind the net). It hits the stanchion and bounces to Pasta who Rielly should have been closer too by then. Samsonov drops to his knees and hugs the post and didn't move until pasta was nearly at the far post.

Samsonov lost focus on that play. He should have stopped it.

It's the picture perfect play as to why he never should have been given the number 1 role. The guy makes saves he has no business making sometimes and that excites people. But then goal 1 and 2 happen. The first goal he was just out of position and the puck went in. If he was square to the shooter it hits him. Woll would have stopped that. Woll would have challenged pasta and either poke checked or slid over in time.

Samsonov I would say cost us more than anyone else apart from Keefe.

And really, anyone expecting high scoring games was ridiculous. Boston doesn't let in much. They defend better than almost every other team. To beat them you have to do exactly what Florida did. Pressure them and force some odd man rushes. Which TO did rarely but look at their goals, most of which were transition plays. Off the cycle they had nothing. But Keefe stuck to that system. Take it up ice, get it into their zone and then maintain possession and cycle until they make a mistake. Well Boston just didn't make any. And their goalie was awesome. Boston didn't make it easy and we Keefe made it easier on them by not adjusting to what they were doing.

As I keep saying, I am not opposed to trading Marner if you get good value. I say this because while it can't be denied he's a world class player, I am not sure he has the mental fortitude to handle TO. So would I trade him? Yes, if I got fair value for him.

If the best we can do is Parayko or some other 2nd pair defenceman who's already 30 years old and signed for another 6 years, then it's stupid to trade him. And you can't let him walk. So if no good trade comes to fruition then you keep him and hope a new coach can employ a better system that provides some offence in the playoffs.

Another thing to add, it’s not like it just slipped out. If you watch the interview you can see he says “here in Toronto… (he paused and tried to think of the right word), we get treated, well, like Gods”. This wasn’t a misspeak or it just slipping out. He knew exactly what he was saying. And that makes it 10 times worse

Come on, don't he condescending. I live in Canada, I know what he's talking about athletic celebrity. But to use the word "god" says more about him than it does about the situation. Feeling like a rock star is fine, cool. But God, that's him saying how he feels in TO. And nah, you're a tool if you think you're a god among men.

I am sure he'd roll his eyes and say that's not what he meant but words have meaning and I see that as another strong indicator of Marner's mental immaturity. He's never going to be what I hoped he'd be and I think moving him for something else would benefit the team. Domi seems to be able to help Matthews enough and Willy doesn't need Marner either. I'd either hope for a up and coming 2C. And picks or whatever. If you can find a defenceman who's 25-27 years old and right handed with #1 potential, go for it. But I doubt that's available.

After those comments though, he needs to go. Sure the media is intense but God complex Marner constantly feeling sorry for himself does him no favors. He sees himself as larger than life, why doesn't everyone worship him?

Unless he somehow turns on a dime and becomes a better team player he's done.

Look,you can explain all you want whether Marner had responsibility for Pasta or not but Keefe admitted (I think it was after game 1, not sure) about having Marner out on the ice when Pasta is out there and basically needing Marner to make sure Pasta doesn't get grade A chances.

Thinking of that reminds me how poor a playoff series Marner actually had because Pasta still managed to be a difference maker while our guys couldn't figure it out.

I mean we have seen it time and time again these guys are idolized here

Look at Kawhi to stay TOR restaurants were offering free food for life and an expensive apartment offered him a penthouse suite

In TOR some people are calling Matthews the best hockey player alive rn forgetting McDavid is a few provinces over

We can deny it but its not wrong

The media and the fans can often go overboard with their view of things.

Again, I get the celebrity of it all. As I mentioned, saying you are a celebrity, or a rock star, or an idol is all fine. The most extreme way to take that is to say you are treated like a god. Cheering for someone is one thing, no one is worshiping Marner. He doesn't seem to get that. And it makes all sense when you use this light to look at how he handles the media. He's a huge brat who thinks people worship him. Nah, get out of here with that ****. You are mortal like the rest of us, see yeah later.

Do you hear anyone else saying they are treated like a god? Those specific words? I don't.

He should have worded it a bit better but he's also not that far off with how a lot of people idolize them and or sometimes worship certain players

No joke still remember Baynes of the raptors had a twitter cult worshiping him lul

Like I have seen it at times it can get a bit crazy especially in the media capital of the sports world

Anyways as said before not excusing the playoffs its more so a wait and see. But man Tkachucks shots at the Canadian market may have not have been as crazy as some thought as were witnessing it first hand rn lul

Should be interesting thats all I can say

It will be.

I hope we get a fired coach, president and GM in the next few days

Firing the GM would be incredibly stupid. Guy just got here and we started to see changes in playstyle that are something to build on. As Leafs were no longer getting bullied by the rest of the NHL physically. The fact he came in that late and brought in guys who helped in one of the area's is progress

They need to build off that and improve in other areas to go for more success.

Keefe for sure is gone along with some of the assistants, Shanahan probs wait for deal to expire then no replacement

Time for Brad to go to work.

Well sweet we can look forward to see the Leafs become the flames now b

I mean Flames were good in the past. Went to the second round and may have gone further if Markstrom didnt forget how to stop beachballs in EDM. From almost invincable in R1 to bleh R2

Still if TOR could get a Flames like Dcore hell yea

Man I would have killed for a top 4 of

Hanifin-Tanev
Weegar-Andersson

With Zadorov as a third pair guy with Liligren or something.

Roy will go a long way towards that. I think he's Tanev comparable. Need one other RD

One of these combo's would be acceptable

Roy + Tanev

Roy + Walker

Roy + Demelo

Demelo + Walker

Tanev + Walker


But lets see as I also would not be opposed to other options to along with trades are also open

Yeah I certainly wouldn't mind Chabot from Ottawa

Fans will chew him out fast. Guy cannot play defense to save his life.

You thought Klingberg was bad just wait for him

We need more 2-way guys than 1-way

Yah, I understand what point he was trying to make but the fact that that actually came out of his mouth is pathetic. What a slap in the face to your fans man

Marner - May 6 2024.
"It means the world. Obviously, we're looked upon as kind of gods here, to be honest, and (it's) something that you really appreciate...and the love that you get here from this fan base and it's unlike any other."
https://x.com/MikeInBuffalo/status/1787512637644734818

I didn't view it like that at all. I think if anything he was trying to make a point of the fan support in the city - especially when you win (mentions the love for the raptors)... Of all the things to get worked up about, this ain't it, imo

I didn't view it like that at all. I think if anything he was trying to make a point of the fan support in the city - especially when you win (mentions the love for the raptors)... Of all the things to get worked up about, this ain't it, imo

It was a deliberate statement. No Mitch, no one is worshiping you. You are just a hockey player, people love the team and want to see a winner and those players will be legendary but you are not being worshiped. That is a clear window into how he perceives himself. It makes how he gets all ****y with the media more understandable. It also makes it clear that he has to go.

Yah but it just gives off this attitude that he’s above everyone else. It’s not the end of the world but it’s a really bad look