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Team: 2024-25 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: May 10, 2024
Published: May 10, 2024
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  2. Östlund, Noah
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (BUF)
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  2. Söderström, Victor [RFA Rights]
  3. Vejmelka, Karel
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (EDM)
  5. 2025 2nd round pick (TOR)
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  2. 2025 2nd round pick (BUF)
  3. 2026 2nd round pick (CAR)
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May 12 at 10:06 p.m.
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Quoting: mv21227
Teravainen and Svechnikov are less talented than Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, and Lafferty? You sure about that?

Pettersson and Aho have also had very similar xGA/60 over the last 3 seasons
23/24:
Aho: 2.46
EP40: 2.47
22/23:
Aho: 2.39
EP40: 2.45
21/22:
Aho: 2.7
EP40: 2.6

Aho also had a career year offensively and only matched Pettersson’s points when Pettersson struggled and played through an injury for a month+ so that’s not exactly the argument you think it is


You think Aho was fully healthy all year? Oh buddy, that's cute. Aho didn't have a career year, he just rectified what could have been without the pandemic. EP40's got 2 70+ point seasons, Aho has 5. Aho's also clearly better defensively, as you so kindly pointed out with the xGA stats.

Aho never played with Teuvo, and very rarely played with Svech. Usually it was some combination of Martinook and Necas. But EP40 played on that lotto line, with Miller... is Miller now less talented than Necas?
May 12 at 10:17 p.m.
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You think Aho was fully healthy all year? Oh buddy, that's cute. Aho didn't have a career year, he just rectified what could have been without the pandemic. EP40's got 2 70+ point seasons, Aho has 5. Aho's also clearly better defensively, as you so kindly pointed out with the xGA stats.

Aho never played with Teuvo, and very rarely played with Svech. Usually it was some combination of Martinook and Necas. But EP40 played on that lotto line, with Miller... is Miller now less talented than Necas?


The xGA numbers are very similar, not enough to say Aho is significantly better defensively. They are very close defensively

Pettersson is above a PPG in his career while Aho is 40 points below a PPG. Pettersson is clearly better offensively

Most common lines this season
Aho:
Teravainen-Aho-Svech: 226.4 minutes
Guentzel-Aho-Jarvis: 181.7 minutes
Teravainen-Aho-Jarvis: 104.5 minutes
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis: 83.3 minutes
Svech-Aho-Fast: 75.5 minutes

Pettersson:
Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Mikheyev: 181.5 minutes
Pettersson-Miller-Boeser: 123.9 minutes
Lafferty-Pettersson-Mikheyev: 107.2 minutes
Hoglander-Pettersson-Boeser: 81.1 minutes
Hoglander-Pettersson-Suter: 76.1 minutes

But Aho never plays with Teuvo and barely with Svech though right? If you’re gonna lie about who Aho plays with then you should make sure the data isn’t easily accessible
May 12 at 10:21 p.m.
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The xGA numbers are very similar, not enough to say Aho is significantly better defensively. They are very close defensively

Pettersson is above a PPG in his career while Aho is 40 points below a PPG. Pettersson is clearly better offensively

Most common lines this season
Aho:
Teravainen-Aho-Svech: 226.4 minutes
Guentzel-Aho-Jarvis: 181.7 minutes
Teravainen-Aho-Jarvis: 104.5 minutes
Bunting-Aho-Jarvis: 83.3 minutes
Svech-Aho-Fast: 75.5 minutes

Pettersson:
Kuzmenko-Pettersson-Mikheyev: 181.5 minutes
Pettersson-Miller-Boeser: 123.9 minutes
Lafferty-Pettersson-Mikheyev: 107.2 minutes
Hoglander-Pettersson-Boeser: 81.1 minutes
Hoglander-Pettersson-Suter: 76.1 minutes

But Aho never plays with Teuvo and barely with Svech though right? If you’re gonna lie about who Aho plays with then you should make sure the data isn’t easily accessible


My guy pulled out the powerplay lines... I'm dead. Yes, Svechnikov, Aho, Teravainen, Burns, and a rotation of Necas and Jarvis was the first powerplay unit. If you're going to try and dig up data, maybe keep it 5-on-5. Going from this, his most common linemates were Guentzel, deadline acquistion, and Jarvis. Soooo.... not only did Aho do that, he did it better with a forever rotating cast of linemates.... stop it buddy, there's no argument here anymore. Aho's clear
May 12 at 10:35 p.m.
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My guy pulled out the powerplay lines... I'm dead. Yes, Svechnikov, Aho, Teravainen, Burns, and a rotation of Necas and Jarvis was the first powerplay unit. If you're going to try and dig up data, maybe keep it 5-on-5. Going from this, his most common linemates were Guentzel, deadline acquistion, and Jarvis. Soooo.... not only did Aho do that, he did it better with a forever rotating cast of linemates.... stop it buddy, there's no argument here anymore. Aho's clear


It’s the 5v5 minutes actually. That doesn’t include the powerplay minutes. His most common 5v5 linemates were Svech and Teravainen. If Pettersson was consistently playing with guys like Svech, Teravainen, Guentzel, and Jarvis rather than the offensive black hole Ilya Mikheyev he would have easily had 100+ points again. Pettersson is better and it’s not really close. Much better offensively and same tier defensively

Here’s the link showing it’s even strength linemates and not powerplay linemates: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/sebastian-aho/car
May 12 at 10:38 p.m.
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It’s the 5v5 minutes actually. That doesn’t include the powerplay minutes. His most common 5v5 linemates were Svech and Teravainen. If Pettersson was consistently playing with guys like Svech, Teravainen, Guentzel, and Jarvis rather than the offensive black hole Ilya Mikheyev he would have easily had 100+ points again. Pettersson is better and it’s not really close. Much better offensively and same tier defensively

Here’s the link showing it’s even strength linemates and not powerplay linemates: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/sebastian-aho/car


I also don’t think Höglander scores 24 playing with Aho
May 13 at 7:59 a.m.
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It’s the 5v5 minutes actually. That doesn’t include the powerplay minutes. His most common 5v5 linemates were Svech and Teravainen. If Pettersson was consistently playing with guys like Svech, Teravainen, Guentzel, and Jarvis rather than the offensive black hole Ilya Mikheyev he would have easily had 100+ points again. Pettersson is better and it’s not really close. Much better offensively and same tier defensively

Here’s the link showing it’s even strength linemates and not powerplay linemates: https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/sebastian-aho/car


I can tell you that's bull. Teuvo never played with Aho and Svech 5 on 5 this year because before the deadline, it made the Canes WAY too top heavy, and that's from Rod himself. If Aho was consistently playing with guys like Miller and Boeser, like Pettersson was, you don't think Aho would DESTROY him in production still?
May 13 at 12:44 p.m.
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I can tell you that's bull. Teuvo never played with Aho and Svech 5 on 5 this year because before the deadline, it made the Canes WAY too top heavy, and that's from Rod himself. If Aho was consistently playing with guys like Miller and Boeser, like Pettersson was, you don't think Aho would DESTROY him in production still?


If you’re saying those are only the PP minutes, then that would mean the Pettersson-Miller-Boeser minutes are only the PP minutes. And Aho was consistently playing with better linemates than Pettersson was. If Pettersson was consistently playing with guys like Svech, Guentzel, Jarvis, and Teravainen like Aho was he’d easily have put up 100+ points again. If Aho was playing with Mikheyev for 70+ games like Pettersson did he would have barely cracked 80 points
May 13 at 5:39 p.m.
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If you’re saying those are only the PP minutes, then that would mean the Pettersson-Miller-Boeser minutes are only the PP minutes. And Aho was consistently playing with better linemates than Pettersson was. If Pettersson was consistently playing with guys like Svech, Guentzel, Jarvis, and Teravainen like Aho was he’d easily have put up 100+ points again. If Aho was playing with Mikheyev for 70+ games like Pettersson did he would have barely cracked 80 points


None of those are the quality of Miller lol, Petterson was playing with better talents in more games and put up less points. He was worse analytically, had a worse PPG, and didn't have to play in such a defensively demanding system. Aho's UNDENIABLY better
May 13 at 5:41 p.m.
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None of those are the quality of Miller lol, Petterson was playing with better talents in more games and put up less points. He was worse analytically, had a worse PPG, and didn't have to play in such a defensively demanding system. Aho's UNDENIABLY better


Pettersson has a much better career PPG, is just as good if not better defensively, and plays with an offensive black hole in Mikheyev at 5v5. Yes Miller is more talented than any forward on Carolina, but Aho has much more talented linemates at 5v5. Pettersson is better and it’s not close. Any non Carolina fan will agree (and a lot of Carolina fans will agree as well)
May 13 at 6:36 p.m.
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Pettersson has a much better career PPG, is just as good if not better defensively, and plays with an offensive black hole in Mikheyev at 5v5. Yes Miller is more talented than any forward on Carolina, but Aho has much more talented linemates at 5v5. Pettersson is better and it’s not close. Any non Carolina fan will agree (and a lot of Carolina fans will agree as well)


Pettersson has 2 seasons above 70 points... Aho has 5. Rod's go-to guy to throw on that line when things are going wrong is black hole Jordan Martinook. Playing with miller 5-on-5 like EP40 did inflated his stats... anyone that knows Aho will tell you, Aho is better and it's not close. Aho's a top 6-7 C in the NHL right now, where EP40 is on the fringes of the top 10
May 13 at 7:13 p.m.
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Pettersson has 2 seasons above 70 points... Aho has 5. Rod's go-to guy to throw on that line when things are going wrong is black hole Jordan Martinook. Playing with miller 5-on-5 like EP40 did inflated his stats... anyone that knows Aho will tell you, Aho is better and it's not close. Aho's a top 6-7 C in the NHL right now, where EP40 is on the fringes of the top 10


Pettersson has a 1.01 PPG and Aho has a 0.93 PPG despite Aho mostly being on significantly better teams and having better linemates. Aho plays with Teravainen, Svech, Jarvis, and Guentzel at 5v5 and can’t put up 90 points. Pettersson had 100 points playing with Mikheyev and Kuzmenko at 5v5. He played with Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, and Lafferty at 5v5 this year and had as many points as Aho did with the same defensive numbers. Pettersson is a top 5-7 center in the league while Aho is a fringe top 10 center. He’s closer to JT Miller than he is Pettersson
May 13 at 7:54 p.m.
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Pettersson has a 1.01 PPG and Aho has a 0.93 PPG despite Aho mostly being on significantly better teams and having better linemates. Aho plays with Teravainen, Svech, Jarvis, and Guentzel at 5v5 and can’t put up 90 points. Pettersson had 100 points playing with Mikheyev and Kuzmenko at 5v5. He played with Mikheyev, Kuzmenko, Hoglander, and Lafferty at 5v5 this year and had as many points as Aho did with the same defensive numbers. Pettersson is a top 5-7 center in the league while Aho is a fringe top 10 center. He’s closer to JT Miller than he is Pettersson


Aho put the same number of points up this year while being MILES better defensively with less talented players than EP40 did. Not to mention, Aho played fewer games. Aho would be the best forward on the Canucks, meaning he's better than EP40. It's not close. Aho's bordering on the top 5 C's in the NHL, EP40 is fringe top 10. You've got them confused in your head, and the analytics agree with this. Your argument is career PPG pace, but Aho started on a team that was a bottomfeeder, and he started playing on the wing. As a center, his PPG pace is better than Petterssons...
May 13 at 8:03 p.m.
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Aho put the same number of points up this year while being MILES better defensively with less talented players than EP40 did. Not to mention, Aho played fewer games. Aho would be the best forward on the Canucks, meaning he's better than EP40. It's not close. Aho's bordering on the top 5 C's in the NHL, EP40 is fringe top 10. You've got them confused in your head, and the analytics agree with this. Your argument is career PPG pace, but Aho started on a team that was a bottomfeeder, and he started playing on the wing. As a center, his PPG pace is better than Petterssons...


Since when are Teravainen, Svechnikov, Jarvis, and Guentzel less talented than Mikheyev, Lafferty, Kuzmenko, and Hoglander? Because that’s who Aho and Pettersson played with at 5v5. And Pettersson had the same or better defensive numbers as Aho for the last 3 seasons. Stop being such a blind homer. Aho is nowhere close to a top 5 center. McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Draisaitl, Pettersson, Crosby, Hughes, and Barkov are clearly ahead. He’s in the 9-12 range with guys like Point, Eichel, and Miller

Aho would be the 2nd/3rd best forward on the Canucks. Pettersson is clearly better and Miller is arguably better
May 13 at 8:43 p.m.
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Since when are Teravainen, Svechnikov, Jarvis, and Guentzel less talented than Mikheyev, Lafferty, Kuzmenko, and Hoglander? Because that’s who Aho and Pettersson played with at 5v5. And Pettersson had the same or better defensive numbers as Aho for the last 3 seasons. Stop being such a blind homer. Aho is nowhere close to a top 5 center. McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Draisaitl, Pettersson, Crosby, Hughes, and Barkov are clearly ahead. He’s in the 9-12 range with guys like Point, Eichel, and Miller

Aho would be the 2nd/3rd best forward on the Canucks. Pettersson is clearly better and Miller is arguably better


They're not, they're less talented than Boeser and Miller! Because that is who EP40 played most with. Aho's got better defensive numbers. Stop being such a blind homer. Aho's a top 5 center in this league. He's better than Barkov, Hughes, Crosby, and Petterson of the list you just rattled off, which puts him 5. So, undeniable 5. Thanks for settling this, glad you agree
May 13 at 8:52 p.m.
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They're not, they're less talented than Boeser and Miller! Because that is who EP40 played most with. Aho's got better defensive numbers. Stop being such a blind homer. Aho's a top 5 center in this league. He's better than Barkov, Hughes, Crosby, and Petterson of the list you just rattled off, which puts him 5. So, undeniable 5. Thanks for settling this, glad you agree


Pettersson barely played with Miller at 5v5. They are both centers. He played a decent amount with Boeser, but played more with Mikheyev and Hoglander, and similar amounts with Kuzmenko and Lafferty. Plus Boeser is less talented than Guentzel, and you could argue he’s less talented than Jarvis/Svech

Aho is clearly worse than Pettersson, Barkov, Crosby, and Hughes which puts him undeniably at the fringe of the top 10. Glad you agree!
 
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