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Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 7:06 a.m.

Thread: Brady moved and huge 3 team trade

1. That is at minimum the kind of return needed to trade Brady - I'm not sure it's enough. And honestly -
2. just keep Trouba to be RD and play rough, don't trade him with retention. Play either JBD or Brannstrom in the other RD slot. I'm not convinced on Chatfield, and really don't like Carrier at that cap number.
3. The goalie thing is wishful thinking. I think they're painted into a corner by Dorion here - they can't trade Korpisalo after that season. Forsberg doesn't have any positive value at that contract number, and I haven't heard any reports that he's not going to be able to play. I don't think you can LTIR him. I think if you trade Trouba it's to keep Ullmark - though having 7th and 10th picks in this draft would be nice. I'm guessing you're doing the 3-way assuming that Ullmark has Ottawa on his no-trade list and won't waive?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31 at 7:40 p.m.

Thread: guerin offseason take II

Totally separate from the previous Chychrun trade and any comparable trades:

1. Chychrun has value because of low cap hit. Sens could make it lower. Retention could make it really valuable.
2. Healy has no value. NCAA prospects are valueless if they've played 2 seasons and not signed. The chance of them not signing to manipulate where they go is too high, unless you know that you're the team they want to play for. (See Fox, Adam)

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31 at 7:32 p.m.

Thread: Donny

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheBoyDuddus</b></div><div>But at what cost 😭

Genuinely think there aren’t pieces in place to prop the offence up without Brady. They’d have to have a major fa addition lined up to make it work but if they figured something out then I’d be 100% behind it. Hard to imagine a better player being returned on a swap.</div></div>

McAvoy is it. No way the Bruins do it. The Sens should jump at it though. Any Sens fan that doesn't hasn't watched Boston enough.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 31 at 8:20 a.m.

Thread: Goalie trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>I seriously doubt that Chychrun deal the Ottawa reporter flagged is the price. My guess is it is either or between Chychrun or the late first plus an extra pick</div></div>

Yea, the reporter who posted that is not a great source now, his "in" was with the old owner.

Although even then he might have posted something like this in order to lower the expectations of Ottawa fans so they'd be happier with how Dorion got ripped off later.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25 at 8:15 p.m.

Thread: Flyers retool

From Ottawa's perspective I don't know if that's enough for just Pinto, let alone Pinto & Chychrun.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25 at 8:11 p.m.

Thread: Big Changes

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>superiorscarf20</b></div><div>*Matthew had scored 104 points when traded. Brady is at 74 points.
I believe Matthew only had 1 year and forced a trade but this value is really close here for the trade.
NOT EVEN CLOSE

Jonathan Huberdeau · $5,900,000
MacKenzie Weegar · $3,250,000
Cole Schwindt · $0 (AHL/JR)
2025 1st round pick (FLA) [Conditional]*</div></div>

But everyone says that trade was a loss for Calgary, not what Ottawa should aspire to.

Matthew was a pending UFA. Brady is signed for 4 more years. No way Calgary makes that trade other than Matthew was not willing to sign an extension.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 25 at 8:53 a.m.

Thread: moving mania

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BigBadBurke</b></div><div>OTT wants another C with injury issues, selects Lindstrom</div></div>

Given how well Pinto played and how well Grieg did playing C this past season, I don't see giving up the 25th pick to move from 7 to 5.

The whole reason you want your team to do that is that there isn't a big difference in players and any of a bunch of players could go in that range.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24 at 6:36 p.m.

Thread: The Davidson Bootstrap

No reason for the Sens to do that even assuming you've gotten the NJD pick. And I doubt you get those picks for taking on those players.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 2:58 p.m.

Thread: what if jake walks

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>You aren’t getting Batherson. My assumption if Jake walks, we pursue Stamkos, Toffoli, Mantha, Terravainen, Marchessault, or Bertuzzi. Not sure how I feel about that</div></div>

I think Batherson could be had, and that Ullmark and a 2nd isn't that far off. And Batherson's a similar sort of player to DeBrusk.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 2:21 p.m.

Thread: Oh boy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>beantownboy17</b></div><div>So upgrade Carlo? Or find a partner for McAvoy? The only true #1s I could see being an improvement on the PK aren't achievable targets. We could go after Esa Liddell in Dallas?</div></div>

I'm saying that you can't upgrade Carlo in that role. Stop proposing trading him away.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 10:59 a.m.

Thread: Marner Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>You should know the power of Leafs Nation - outnumbered in your own barn 3 to 1 (last time I was there); straight up embarrassing 😂.</div></div>

I'm a Bruins fan. I don't particularly care if more people from Toronto want to pay for Sens fans' season tickets. Also not embarrassed to not contribute to millionaires working for billionaires. But be a good little spender.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 10:56 a.m.

Thread: Oh boy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>beantownboy17</b></div><div>Who would you target? Top 6 F</div></div>

I would target a top-of-the league penalty killing D. You can't replace Carlo for that money, I think he's worth more than they would be able to get.

DeMelo is at best 85% of Carlo in both play and size, AND 4 years older, and you're signing him for more money to fill that spot. And I love Dylan DeMelo - but he's a poor man's Brandon Carlo that's going to cost more than the real deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 10:50 a.m.

Thread: Oh boy

If Sweeney were to shop Carlo, which I hope to god he doesn't, I think he could do better than that.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 10:48 a.m.

Thread: Marner Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Over rated; easy to look better than you are on an awful team. Kanata would beg to have someone with Marner’s brand name recognition choose to go there but alas … it’ll never happen.</div></div>

LOL

"Brand Name Recognition" - playing for the Leafs doesn't give players more value, no matter what LeafsNet tells you.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 2:10 p.m.

Thread: Taking a chance on a couple injury prone players

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>I still think Norris is a guy you keep. He was still on pace for 50pts despite the injuries</div></div>

Oh yea, if it came down to it I'd probably say the same - but I can see it both ways. If they really want to make changes, this is a change.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 11:08 a.m.

Thread: Taking a chance on a couple injury prone players

Oooh.... that would be really tempting for the Sens. They have Pinto and Greig who have both filled in at 2C decently, and Hayton is interesting.

I get why Utah would want Norris too - he was penciled in at 1C for that whole contract until he got hurt, Stuzle moved to C and thrived.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 9:23 a.m.

Thread: Flip Ullmark Land Carlo

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DopeGM</b></div><div>Not enough in the deal for BUF to accept without him in there.

Rosen and 11OA isn’t enough for Carlo in your mind? Interesting</div></div>

Nope. A draft pick and an undersized winger who hasn't scored an NHL goal for the best penalty killing D around locked into a killer contract? I wouldn't make that move.

I can see that the "value" is there in that - but why would you ever move on from Carlo at $4.1M? It's less than 30% that a player picked at 11 will ever be as good as Carlo, and I don't think Rosen's ceiling is as valuable as Carlo is, let alone his current value as an undersized 20 goal AHL player.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 8:19 a.m.

Thread: Flip Ullmark Land Carlo

I don't think I'd even think about that package for just Carlo, forget Ullmark.

And why would Boston not trade Ullmark to Carolina themselves?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 9:04 p.m.

Thread: New top line

Honestly - I think that's a fair trade to Ottawa. They don't want to give up on Pinto - but that's a lot of value.

My comment is you want to give Jake Guentzel HOW much?

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 9:56 a.m.

Thread: aggressive offseason

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mike7856</b></div><div>Sens would take that I would think. Holmstrom and Pageau would provide great depth!</div></div>

Yea, I don't mind this. I'm not sure Bolduc is really a target for them, probably ends up being something else, but not a bad package.
Pageau probably isn't worth his contract right now - but between nostalgia and him actually being the veteran who knows how to win when you don't on paper and is an experienced center, maybe more value to the Sens than anyone else.

Forum: Armchair-GMMay 5 at 6:38 a.m.

Thread: Sober Trades

Marner ON THAT CONTRACT isn't worth anywhere close to that. If they were able to negotiate an extension at $8M and get Toronto to retain $5M, and take out the 2025 1st, maybe. at$10.9M and needing a new contract? Remember that the Sens fired Pierre Dorion.

Batherson is the opposite. Signed for 3more years at $4.9M - AAV <strong>under</strong> his production.

Reilly ON THAT CONTRACT doesn't have that kind of positive value. He's a 30yo player signed for <strong>6 MORE YEARS</strong>. Even if the Sens wanted to move on from Chabot, I don't think they're giving up multiple firsts to bring back older players signed longer. Few offensive D are as productive at 36 as at 30.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 22 at 9:07 a.m.

Thread: Big swings

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Schuyler</b></div><div>Hughes with 1 arm is literally a better player than Brady is with 2</div></div>

Sure, whatever. But why would the Sens give up Brady in a deal where he's the best player? It doesn't make any sense unless they're upgrading.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 22 at 8:38 a.m.

Thread: Big swings

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>athrin</b></div><div>and a big miss, that dont even comes close to getting Brady, Nemec is the starting piece in a brady to NJD deal.</div></div>

I was going to say Hughes.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 19 at 9:35 a.m.

Thread: Playoffs

That's interesting for Ullmark. On one hand it's a lot for one year of Ullmark. On the other hand, while I like Jarventie, it's not THAT much for Ullmark to solve the goalie problem since Craig Anderson left... It really depends on whether they're able to re-sign him for a similar number. Which will be hard when you're paying Korpisalo $4M.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>The Jets don't have the cap space or an extra roster spot to waste on Hamonic.</div></div>

Yea, I think they either have to buy him out or ride out the year with him on the roster. As long as they aren't up against the cap this year having him on the roster is tempting - get it over with this year, and there's the potential that he could be needed with some injuries.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 29 at 11:13 a.m.

Thread: Singing the Blues

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>Good luck. There aren’t 5 RD in free agency who can successfully handle 20 minutes a night. I also don’t see any big ticket free agents at a premium position opting to go to Ottawa at the moment either given how poor Ottawa has been for a long while now.

I’m not saying you guys should move your 1st. But I also don’t see things turning around in the near future without moving it. There is no defensive structure in place anywhere on the roster, and it would take a miracle for an 18 year old defenseman to change that in the next 3-5 years.</div></div>

I'm not defending the "5 better RD in free agency" comment - but trading that pick like that is goofy.

Trading a top 10 pick for the ages 31-36 seasons of a pretty-good-but-not-great D is not the way to be long-term successful either. If you were trading for prime Chara, yea, you can make the case.

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