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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26 at 4:32 p.m.
Thread: Nashville offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Your anti Leaf bias is showing bud 😂; you’d rather contradict yourself than admit Marner might a top player. His back to back first team nhl all stars in 21 &amp; 22, &amp; selke nominee while scoring at a 100 point pace last year might be considered as objective proof that he’s a game changer 🤷🏻.
Also are McKinnon’s numbers inflated because he plays with Rantanen, Kucherov with Point, etc. again - easily one of the laziest, most ill informed statements I’ve ever read on this site.
Let’s take away your clear anti Leaf bias and get to the heart of the matter - as an Oilers fan , should Drai and team not be able to agree to an extension and they both agree to a trade in July - what would be a fair return?</div></div>

Why would I have an anti-Leafs bias? Simply because I have a different opinion than you on a Leafs player. But then I also said Matthews is the leagues best goal scorer. If I really had bias, I’d find a way to not admit that lol

We just have a difference of opinion, and clearly two different ways of communicating that.

But to answer your question, Draisaitl would get a better return than Marner. Oh no, my Leafs bias is showing… smh

All I’m saying is that I would be apprehensive to give a large return and even larger contract for Marner. There you go. That’s it. This is getting tiresome, so that’s gonna be it for me.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 26 at 3:03 p.m.
Thread: Nashville offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>What a truly and marvellously preposterous take.
McDavid plays with Draisaitl so his prod’n (&amp; value league wise) drops if moved; same for McKinnon (Rantanen) or Kucherov (Point); truly horrible take 🤦🏻 - all great players currently play with other great players.
Second - logic dictates if moved, Marner only waives to somewhere he would negotiate an extension. Doubtful he’ll want to play for 3 teams in less than 2 years. Agreed that list of teams that could afford him next year limits the pool, but if he waives - he’ll work with Toronto go to a preferred location. Those teams will offer full or close to full value to gain a player of Marner’s ability; if not (assuming he doesn’t extend in T.O.), he becomes a full FA in 26-27 when vast majority of teams will have lots of cap space. Leafs are under no pressure to move him for scraps</div></div>

Marner isn’t close to any of McDavid, MacKinnon, or Kucherov. Marner isn’t one of the best players in the league or a game changer like those players are. And yeah, when EDM needs goals they stack the top line and play McDrai together because it makes it more likely that they’ll score— which furthers my point that playing with elite offensive talent is a boost for offense.

But yeah, teams that have cap space for am $11m Marner likely won’t have as good of linemates for him to play with. If you don’t think that playing with the best goal scorer in the NHL in Matthews helps with his point totals, then I don’t know what to tell you. He won’t have that on another team.

That’s why I used Gaudreau, a much better comparable in terms of production and type of player. Gaudreau lost Tkachuk and Lindholm, and he’s not the same player anymore with CBJ. And Lindholm also lost the magic too (not comparing him to Marner, just showing that who you play with does matter). It didn’t happen to Tkachuk because, as you’re suggesting with Marner, it’s not a guarantee. Some players are good no matter what and can still produce playing with non-elite talent.

But to invest significant assets in a trade and then sign him to one of the highest value contracts in the game (considering he was already the 11th highest cap hit in the league this season) is a big risk, and I don’t want to be the team to take that risk.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 21 at 12:26 p.m.
Thread: Carolina
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>Dear Capfriendly, you can't think that PLD is Garbage top-6 center and that Danault is available. - Signed LA Kings fans.

Danault who has a NMC is the last place LA would look to move for cap space.</div></div>

They have 4 centers that can play in the top 6 — Kopitar, Byfield, Danault, and Dubois. I don’t see Byfield staying at LW long-term, so this is just an option for clearing out that logjam at center. They can then utilize that cap space to target improvements for either defense or goaltending.

Also, never said anything about Dubois’s abilities as a player, just his contract length/commitment. If anything, this opens up more opportunities for Dubois to bounce back.

You can disagree with the value, but I’m just looking at something different. I agree that it would likely take an overpay to get Danault, but I also feel like CAR is a place he would waive for if it comes down to it.