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Yesterday at 7:31 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
Oil in 6
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 5:48 p.m.
Thread:
Unlikely Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>I'm down with playing out Trouba and Goodrow and trading Kakko straight up for a reclamation project or a 2nd round pick. We're not trading first rounders like that. This draft capital and prospect pool is worst in the NHL.</div></div>
How else you going to move Trouba and Goodrow combined tho?
Goodrow alone will cost easily over a 2nd but NYR don’t go those (unless I’m misremembering their draft capital). So I believed packaging them with a Kakko gets it all done.
I’d be down if you’d wanna discuss a better offer from SJS.
Swap in Zadina? Keep Klim in there. and Add Addison?
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
The conundrum of trying to be better while not getting too far ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ggha777</b></div><div>He considered SJ when they were still good. He’s not going to waste a year on a bottom feeder team. He’s getting older and wants a cup. He 100% wouldn’t waive for SJ</div></div>
100% is false as there is no such thing as 100%. We’ve seen crazier thing happen. SJS can also facilitate a 3way trade at TDL with him.
That likely would be weird/ “100% not happen” for TML to do unless it’s this offseason as why would Toronto wait till TDL next year like the Sharks can. And Toronto would need retention if he’s going to a contender which they won’t retain because they need cap. So Toronto is either trading JT this offseason or they keep him entirely. Which isn’t a good move imo. Toronto needs things to happen before August.
I’d also argue he won’t win a cup in Toronto based on the Data we’ve seen and learned from. It’s evident change is needed and this post is for fun not for winning a cup in SJS.
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 4:49 p.m.
Thread:
The conundrum of trying to be better while not getting too far ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RecycleShark</b></div><div>I think you could add another top 4 RD and still have room for Thrun, Shakir, and Emberson.
Make room by moving out any of the other RD: Rutta, Burroughs, Benning.</div></div>
I already have Carrier, Shakir, Emberson, Thrun as 4 tho?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>themostleaf33</b></div><div>See? now you understand how bias it is to ask us to dump Tavares</div></div>
Not at all the same? Right now Toronto is at a crossroads.
If you’re all for moving Marner sure? But I think that is a SLIPPERY slope for Toronto.
I’m cheering for Leon and Draistail to win it this year. But next year I’d be rooting just as hard for the Leafs (Nylander is my favourite of their players personally).
I don’t see how trading Mitch > Tavares is going to go well. Tavares has gotten worse consistently- but he’s so good to start with hed still be a good player at 5-7m aav (I’d say 6). But at 11 he’s wasting cap and I don’t see him getting better next year. Additionally, trading Mitch means Toronto has no leverage to any team for the following reasons:
1. Mass Media Circus
- other GMs see it and so does Mitch. Mitch and the other teams hold all the cards. Mitch has to accept the trade. He also has “deflated value” due to the circus, scapegoating, and also by his standard play - a poor playoffs.
2. Expiring UFA
3. Expensive new deal
4. Last but not least important- the ROI
- the combination of these things means you have teams dripping to undercut TML on a Marner trade because they will have a healthy clip to have reasons to not offer a boatload for Mitch. And not many teams can afford Mitch. And Mitch gets a say in all of this. Meaning it’s going to be a huge gamble trading Mitch seeing all these align and getting a return that isn’t going to worry some analysts.
It would be bias for my say trade JT to SJS for:
Zadina
4th
For
Tavares
1st
Prospect
That would be bias. Here I’m offering Toronto a high value pick in return for shedding 11m in salary (technically 5m if we’re going say he’s 5m overpaid). He’s technically being dumped for a 2nds value here.
That’s not the same as trading JT for Zetterlund (which is an incredibly one sided traded as Toronto would likely take that in a second to shed cap and gain top6 potential winger who would be an amazing depth add for their RW behind Nylander and Marner). Zetterlund is 24, not 28. Again I could see other trades being bias. I see this as nearly on par with moving an 11m contract.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>odyssey</b></div><div>toronto isnt trading him period. it makes no sense to trade him. nor does he want to be traded</div></div>
I believe there is more sense in trading JT then there is in Marner.
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 3:43 p.m.
Thread:
The conundrum of trying to be better while not getting too far ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RecycleShark</b></div><div>Suck enough to get a top 5 pick in 2025
Buy don't suck so much that you traumatize your developing stars and fans 😃
I'd make more improvements to the defense.</div></div>
Hesitant on giving up on Emberson, and I want Shakir and Thrun to get shots. It’s a hard choice.
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 3:41 p.m.
Thread:
The conundrum of trying to be better while not getting too far ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>themostleaf33</b></div><div>The point is that the Leafs aren't going to pay anyone, let alone who it is, to take Tavares.
Give us Zetterlund for Tavares then we are talking.</div></div>
You have to understand how bias and one sided that is tho?
Zetterlund is 24, 45 points and was a key piece in the Meier trade. He’s essentially a few points behind JT who plays on 30x better team - and gets to play with Nylander almost always and other commons like Knies, Matthews, Marner, Robertson.
That’s like me saying I’ll take Ferraro for Knies.
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Armchair-GM
Tue. at 3:36 p.m.
Thread:
The conundrum of trying to be better while not getting too far ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>themostleaf33</b></div><div>Lol stop Leafs aren't going to pay to dump a 30 goal 60 point forward and their captain on the final year of his deal.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ggha777</b></div><div>Tavares doesn’t waive</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>odyssey</b></div><div>leafs and tavares decline</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Waffelz</b></div><div>Leafs definitely say no, Islanders probably also say no. Vancouver maybe yes. I don't really see the point of putting Smith and Celebrini in the AHL if you're going to have guys like Guschin and Graf up in the NHL. Couture is by all accounts unlikely to play next year.</div></div>
Who would take JT at 11 other than San Jose? They’re basically the only team - and he’s noticeably gotten slower / “worse” (I’m not calling him a bad player). He’d probably get less points next year and even less on SJS. Toronto needs a change and imo : moving Marner creates a massive hole that is going to be hard to fill / find a perfectly equal trade.
Marleau at 6m cost 1first+
Here Toronto is just trading down roughly 30 picks. I also don’t think they would move on from Topi but he’d be the next guy if you take out the first and SJS 2nd.
Additionally Tavares considered Toronto, San Jose, and NYI.
The probably of him waiving is not 50%, but it’s not 0%.
I know Cooch is likely done but I’m listing where he starts as he likely plays a couple games before hopefully calling it quits to preserve his life off the ice and his health.
I also don’t see how the NYI can start changing their team identity slightly/ pick up the pace if they don’t move money out.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jco5ta5</b></div><div>I'm not sure I agree. Celebrini, Smith, Graf, Gushchin, Eklund, Mukhamadullin can all be in NHL and get their reps. I'm not sure what more Celebrini and Smith need to prove at college level and not sure AHL would be of any benefit. It's crazy to think about that even with those guys I mentioned, they still have Bystedt, Musty, Haltunnen, Edstrom, and Lund still developing. Plus the 14OA from this year.
I don't think Seattle is moving on from their pick. The difference between 8th and 14th in this particular draft is stark and they need to draft a top flight D which they can get with the 8th pick but not the 14th.</div></div>
Oh yeah I’m just exploring the thought process. You can view my previous posts and they’re mostly in my my middle 6 / top PP units. I’m just looking at the other perspective.
Flip that coin tho: Jiricek (only dropped due to injuries) was once a top 10 mock, and he’s also a RD and plays a great game. He’s easily at 14 if they want a D, then they also get 33rd which has great value and position (basically first and allows a BPA for 1st round falls or picking “your guy”). I see value in both teams (SJS and SEA wanting 14 and 33, plus SJS can add a small swing asset to confirm).
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Tue. at 8:36 a.m.
Thread:
Unlikely Trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>Rangers getting hosed</div></div>
Well what would you change?
Basically 15m gained in cap space for the Rangers to:
Sign Cullye, some of their UFAs, resign Braden Schneider (who’s looked good), resign Lindgren and maybe Gustaffsson - majority of raises
I assume they need to keep a UFA like Roslivic or a new UFA C (maybe I’m wrong but isn’t Chytils career up in the air with concussions?)
Move onto securing their cap for the next handful of years by extending Shesty, KAM, and Laffy. All which are going to need decent to large raises.
Turning 11m to nearly 30m as a cup contender gives the ranger a lot of options.
What does SJS need to add? I don’t see Goodrow costing anything less than a 2nd-1st to dump. And Trouba is a couple mill overpaid and hasn’t been “great”. I could admit to Kakko being swapped out but that would require some more picks or prospects.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mon. at 8:10 a.m.
Thread:
TWO new D
Dallas will have no part in “dumping” Faksa (what this looks like).
Faksa is still a good defensive forward and Nils is an interesting RD piece.
Forum:
NHL
Sun. at 9:36 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
I love how people will rag on the Oilers for being “Powerplay Merchants” yet half the leagues playoff teams don’t know how to run a powerplay (Leafs, Dallas, LA, etc). Plus the Oilers have a 93% Penalty Kill (wtf?) - and again half the league can’t run a PK as masterfully.
I just find it funny when people will criticize teams and their players, Edmonton for example, for being special teams “merchants” yet they will scream at the TV when their own team blows a 4th straight power play.
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Armchair-GM
May 31 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread:
how much to get boqvist
What does San Jose get for giving you Klim and taking on Ceci
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 30 at 7:52 p.m.
Thread:
Free Agent Frenzy
I don’t get this infatuation with Roy.
You’re signing a guy who’s got career sub 30 points, to the next Vlasic contract - WERE ALMOST OUT FROM VLASIC lol.
And we’re signing Demelo till he’s 38 at nearly 6m.
Cap space is and asset. We don’t need to burn it like we have to use it all or we lose it.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 7:47 p.m.
Thread:
Bring him back
Can you explain why the Leafs DONT want Liljegren.
I truly don’t get it. If he’s essentially worth a first+ (that’s what you’ve proposed) - why do the Leafs who need a cup not want him?
He’s 25, so he’s not exactly young but young enough to fit their timeline.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Ruin two teams
Ah yes Leon Draisaitl the team ruiner
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:42 p.m.
Thread:
Hopeful Realistic Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>I don’t think Addison should be back either. I think the Sharks let him walk, so I’m not sure why you went immediately to him.
Rutta and Burroughs represent 1/3 of the d core of one of the worst teams of the cap era. Saying they should be kept at all costs is ridiculous.
As to who plays instead of them. Ideally good right shot NHL defensemen signed in free agency (Roy, Demelo, Pesce, Walker)or acquired via trade. Worst case they just give those minutes to see what they have in Thompson and Emberson.</div></div>
Yes but that doesn’t change anything - and leads back to some of my comment.
Ferraro - Myers (I doubt we can afford most of those UFAs as they’d all probably rather go to a contender or be overpaid)(but sure a UFA as 1RD I agree with).
Thrun - Emberson (again I agree with you, Emberson has earned a job and a 2 year contract imo.)
Shakir - Rutta / Burroughs / UFA
- so who’s our 3RD? I don’t think Addison is a good fit for Shakir.
- I don’t think Thompson should just get the job
- I also think we need a tough, capable, 3rd RD we need to add size and grit/hard work to our 3rd pair to help the rookies out.
I don’t see how Rutta doesn’t fit that bill.
The Sharks openly tanked last year. Just cause your name was on that team means little to me. I still see value in Rutta and Burroughs. I still see value in Kunin as a 4th liner. I still see value in Blackwood.
I mean I don’t see any downside to keeping those two for the locker room, depth, leadership, mentorship, and 3rd pair roles to give to Shakir. Rutta and Burroughs would both just be the stay at home guys to let Shakir being himself.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:36 p.m.
Thread:
Offseason
Why are we trading Bordeleau for nothing and just giving up on him.
Also the Oilers have zero interest in Vanecek I’d wager.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:28 p.m.
Thread:
planning for leos contract
Hey man you can just take our 1C for nothing!
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:26 p.m.
Thread:
Hopeful Realistic Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DFinn91</b></div><div>Keep Burroughs and Rutta at all costs? That has to be sarcasm right? Or just for tanking purposes?</div></div>
Name 3 reasons why we shouldn’t keep them over Addison?
Both supply more:
Size
Grit
Experience and Locker room qualities
Ruttas a better mentor
Who’s going to step in for injuries if we trade both of them?
Also we need someone like Burroughs who can be a protector. We need toughness and Rutta just won gold at worlds - I’d be interested in seeing him return and if he can be a quality pair for Shakir.
Addison had all the opportunities and was given free rein of the PP. I’d rather move on or put him in the AHL and see if he can improve.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:13 p.m.
Thread:
Hopeful Realistic Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>Sharks accept! Would you like Rutta, Benning, or Burroughs for your RD? We can throw it in to the deal, if r Addison’s rights</div></div>
Keep Rutta and Burroughs at all costs.
Ship out Addison or Benning.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>goodfella</b></div><div>Add Ceci to the trade?</div></div>
Minimum I’m taking is a 3rd + attached to him
I’d rather sign a larger RD like Myers.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:02 p.m.
Thread:
If Rumours are True
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>There's no chance Toronto would move Liljegren for either pick, let alone both players for 42. Sandin fetched a mid 20s first in a deeper draft and Liljegren is just as good while also being RHD.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>A team that had 1 single 20 goal scorer doesn't need a 22 year old who paced for 20 goals while playing 11 min a night?
I get disagreeing with the price- though there's only a 29% chance a 33rd overall pick paces to be in place Robertson is now according to historical data by age 22- but they could definitely use some bets on younger guys who might be able to score playing with Celebrini and Smith.</div></div>
Accidentally commented twice so putting a TJ comment here.
Idk maybe I’m wrong but I don’t have a major opinion on TJ to swing either, I don’t see much upside but I don’t see much downside. Lukewarm on him; so it doesn’t move the needle on the trade.
Makes me ask more of why does TOR want to move on from him when they could use a drafted and developed D man.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 4:02 p.m.
Thread:
If Rumours are True
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>There's no chance Toronto would move Liljegren for either pick, let alone both players for 42. Sandin fetched a mid 20s first in a deeper draft and Liljegren is just as good while also being RHD.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NotElliotteF</b></div><div>A team that had 1 single 20 goal scorer doesn't need a 22 year old who paced for 20 goals while playing 11 min a night?
I get disagreeing with the price- though there's only a 29% chance a 33rd overall pick paces to be in place Robertson is now according to historical data by age 22- but they could definitely use some bets on younger guys who might be able to score playing with Celebrini and Smith.</div></div>
NRob history of injuries hasn’t left - the best scenario for him to succeed is in TOR.
Additionally his most common linemates last year were (in no order) : Domi, Nylander, Tavares, Knies, Jarnkrok.
It’s not like he’s a bad player but he hasn’t flourished in Toronto when given the same opportunities like Knies. Furthermore, and more importantly imo - San Jose has already invested over a 2nd in Bords and Gushchin. Both of which haven’t done anything to warrant giving up on them (unlike some Sharks fans jump to the conclusion of).
Bords and Gushchin are already behind Eklund who’s locked for the foreseeable future as the Sharks 1LW. Which means they’re battling for their careers soon. One for 2W, maybe one swaps to RW and they can both earn a 2W. Or they’re battling for who’s 2LW and who’s going to have round out their game and be 3LW and prove everyone wrong.
Imo, that’s the forgotten aspect of the Sharks this year. Is their prospects need to start fighting for jobs and NRob adds unnecessary complications because trading 42 is such poor asset management imo when you have Bords and Gush. I don’t see NRob having a high ceiling than either so it’s like saying we have 2 jobs up for grabs and 2 prime candidates weve invested in. But let’s spend even more on adding a 3rd Small Winger.
Last year the Sharks just tanked. They kept their hopes and dreams (good prospects) away from the NHL and in the AHL (but the Cuda also sucked so unlucky).
But they gave icetime to Hoffman, Carpenter, etc.
This year the Sharks - atleast how I see it; can’t afford to give icetime to pointless bums. They have to breed internal competition between their prospects for jobs now, and adding NRob means one of them is the 4LW on the SAN JOSE SHARKS. That’s not setup for success. That’s setup for an uphill battle. Atleast being in the middle 6 gives them a fair shake.
Finally, San Jose still needs to add veteran mentors and experience to fill out a few roster spots. So there’s simply no room to spend a high value asset like 42 on - gambles; that’s what those 2 are.
It’s just unnecessary imo. It’s gotten little to do with NRob and more to do with the context of the situation - which needs to be considered when trading with another team.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 3:11 p.m.
Thread:
If Rumours are True
San Jose has 0 need for NRob unless it’s for dirt cheap.
They don’t need him and the 2nd is 5x his value.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 2:20 p.m.
Thread:
SanderZayne will rule the league
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Same as Korchinski / Mintyukov</div></div>
Interesting tho:
One was an absolute dawg, Minty.
The other started getting buried/ overrun, Korchinski.
Not a criticism of the idea but I’d be hesitant on the Sens rushing Parekh.
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 2:15 p.m.
Thread:
Summer of Lou Relatively realistic
That Lee trade is brutal for SJS
14m for basically a tiny trade up
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Armchair-GM
May 30 at 2:05 p.m.
Thread:
SanderZayne will rule the league
Would be awesome for the Sens. But I’d wonder what his timeline is (for going pro).
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