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Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Laine
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Lol so petty

Toffoli was traded for a 3rd and younger Toffoli. Depending on what happens with Sharangovich this upcoming year a 1st is well within reason.
Tanev got a <strong>prospect reportedly viewed as better than a late 1st</strong>, along with a 2nd
Zadorov was traded in November without retention</div></div>

Who has said this?
He is not on any top prospects list
<a href="https://www.mckeenshockey.com/nhl/rankings/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Not even in McKeens top 300</a>
Not in Hockey News top-10 for Calgary (nor Dallas)
<a href="https://www.ahltracker.com/skaters?skaters_filter_form%5Byear_start%5D=2023&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Byear_end%5D=2024&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bregular_seasons%5D=0&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bregular_seasons%5D=1&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bplayoffs%5D=0&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Baggregate%5D=none&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bskaters%5D%5B%5D=&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bteams%5D%5B%5D=&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Breport_type%5D=advanced&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bposition%5D=D&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bhandedness%5D=any&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bgames_played%5D=&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bminimum_age%5D=&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bmaximum_age%5D=&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Bdraft_plus_minus%5D=3&amp;skaters_filter_form%5Brookies_only%5D=0&amp;commit=Filter" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">was 27th out of 37 AHL dmen from 2021 class in Game score</a>
Forum: New Jersey Devils8 hours ago
Thread: New Jersey Devils 2024 Offseason Discussion Thread #1
If we pick at #10, I still like the usual suspects (Dickinson, Buium, Catton)

But if we move back to #13-18 range, I think I have new favorite that I think fits NJD well: <strong> Igor Chernyshov</strong>
He sounds perfect.
In short, reminds me of McLeod (2023-24 version, on-ice) with a bit more skill and finishing ability.
Has also been compared to Valeri Nichushkin, Brady Tkachuk, Carter Verhaeghe.

(gosh, I might even take him at #10)

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<strong>Dylan Griffin (Elite Prospects) (#2 Russian):</strong> "Chernyshov’s physical tools, rush offense, and intelligence make him a player to want in the mid-first round. Igor Chernyshov is a rare breed of young Russian prospects, a true power forward with legitimate, top-six NHL potential."

<strong>Central Scouting (#9 Eur Skater): </strong>"<strong>Can play both center and the wing</strong>. A well-sized, strong two-way power forward with an excellent feel for the game. He is a surprisingly mobile, speedy skater for a player of his size. Good set of tools including skating, passing, puck-handling and shot. Makes smart decisions and uses his size well in battles. A solid, reliable two- way team-player who is very responsible also in the defensive zone."

<strong>Graham Montgomery (Dobber Prospects) (#13):</strong> "Chernyshov has been a steady riser throughout the season. He is now our <strong>top ranked Russian outside of Ivan Demidov</strong>, although that says just as much about Anton Silayev as it does Chernyshov. The Russian winger is the prototype of what NHL general managers look for. He has the soft skills one might expect from a smaller player on a mature, 6’2” frame. His toolkit is highlighted first by his shot, which is good enough to beat KHL goaltenders on clean looks, and his stickhandling, which is best put to use when he’s changing the angle on defenders. He did not have the luxury of playing in a junior league in his first-time draft eligible season. Rather, he was forced to develop his game against grown men in a declining, but still competitive KHL. Even when he wasn’t scoring he was making physical plays along the boards, going to the right areas of the ice, and generating looks at a decent rate. His <strong>defensive and transition games become key strengths</strong> in his on-ice impact this season against strong competition, and have established a high floor to go along with the ceiling his high-end puck skills provide. He projects as a potential top-six two-way winger, but if his playmaking game doesn’t make the jump it needs to in order to unlike that potential, his middle-six fallback game is a strong one."

<strong>Eugene Helfrick (The Hockey Writers) (#13, #16): </strong>"For Igor Chernyshov, context is everything when it comes to understanding his potential. The 6-foot-2 forward started playing hockey against men in the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL) when he played five games for Dynamo Moskva during the 2022-23 season. In 2023-24, he split time between the KHL and MHL (the Russian minor-league system) where he played 34 and 22 games, respectively. During this time, Chernyshov didn’t win any scoring records, but as an underaged player taking on ice time against men in the KHL, he more than held his own. He showcases a willingness to fight for his space on the ice and in front of the net, and he will drive opponents through the corners to force them out of play. He even has a solid scoring skillset that belies the talent of a <strong>top-six power forward</strong>. In many ways, he <strong>should be considered one of the most NHL-ready players available at the 2024 Draft.</strong> He has the size and skill of a starter, with the control and sense of someone much further along in development than an 18-year-old. That combination will make him a can’t-miss prospect, even if he isn’t a household name amongst NHL fans heading into draft day. If you had to build a perfect model for a modern NHL forward, Chernyshov would meet almost all of the requirements. His gameplan is easy to project to the NHL level, especially if he can take his offensive skillset to the next level in the coming years. In the best-case scenario, he’s on your top line eating 20 minutes of ice time each night split between the power-play, penalty kill, and 5-on-5. Even if he doesn’t reach these lofty expectations, he should still be a valuable bottom-six winger who <strong>can wear down opponents </strong>and just make each night miserable when you play him. It can take a while for power forwards to develop into their bodies, however, so I expect him to spend some time in the KHL and American Hockey League (AHL) before he breaks into the NHL. After it all shakes out, however, a second-pairing forward feels like the right spot for his career."

<strong>Ryan Kennedy (Hockey News) (#13): </strong>"Jan. 27, 2024, vs. Spartak - This was yet another KHL game in which Igor Chernyshov looked like a legitimate contributor and solid player at both ends of the ice against men. Chernyshov plays with a high motor and relentless drive to get to the inside and establish his position around the net. In this game, Chernyshov was like a dog on a bone at times, constantly looking to get pucks back, forechecking with his speed and physicality. He played a strong two-way game in this one, looking engaged defensively, pushing the puck to the outside whenever it came to his side of the ice and working hard along the boards to win the puck back or at least dislodge it off the stick of his opponent. Chernyshov was ultimately rewarded for his efforts with a goal in this game. Collecting the puck on the breakout in the neutral zone, Chernyshov attacked up ice with pace and maintained speed as he closed in on the defender in the faceoff circle. As Chernyshov got into the faceoff dot, he had a quick toe drag and release that the goalie couldn’t absorb cleanly, and the puck went in off the pad. Chernyshov was constantly a thorn in the opposing defender’s side as he consistently pushed and shoved around the net to screen the goaltender. His persistence and annoyance of the opposing team were notable throughout. He was limited when it came to ice time, playing bottom-six minutes, but he made the most of it as he always does. Chernyshov is the kind of player who could project to play up and down the lineup if his offensive tools continue to develop because his effort never wanes, and his willingness to mix it up will keep him in the lineup."

<strong>Jake Janso (Future Considerations) (#14): </strong>"Chernyshov is a <strong>physically imposing</strong> and athletic power forward. He brings that all elusive yet entrancing combination of physical prowess and very good skating ability. He uses these tools to fly through zones with possession, often bouncing give-and-goes off of teammates in transition. Once in the zone, he dominates the boards or the front of the net and becomes difficult to move." They also assessed various attributes and Cherynshov was among top-3 for "players attacking o-zone the best" and "goal-scoring".

<strong>Tony Ferrari (Hockey News) (#14): </strong>"There is so much to like with Chernyshov because he is good at just about everything. The problem is that he isn’t really great at anything. Chernyshov is an excellent complementary winger who has shown to be capable at the KHL level already. When he’s gone up against junior competition, he’s done a fantastic job of putting up some impressive numbers. He rarely settles for low-danger shots, attacks the middle of the ice with and without the puck, shows some creative passing and always has his motor running."

<strong>Samuel Tirpak (FC Hockey) (#14): </strong>"Chernyshov is a <strong>modern-day power forward </strong>who excels in a transitional game on every level and is an excellent two-way forward as well. His <strong>biggest strength</strong>, in my opinion is his, is that <strong>transitional game.</strong> He doesn’t make mistakes when puck is on his stick. He carries it with authority and purpose, and is smart with possession."

<strong>Lassi Alanen (Elite Prospects) (#17): </strong>Posted this <a href="https://x.com/lassialanen/status/1792563269959393391" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Video</a>. "Two minutes of Igor Chernyshov creating rush offence through anticipation, silky hands, abusing a speed advantage, working give-and-gos, smart delays, and winning body positioning. <strong>Chernyshov is one of the best rush creators in the 2024 NHL Draft.</strong>"

<strong>Mike Morreale (NHL.com) (#18): </strong>"Chernyshov (6-2, 192) had four points (three goals, one assist) in 34 KHL games, and 28 points (13 goals, 15 assists) in 22 games with Dynamo in Russia's junior league. The 18-year-old right-handed shot, who thrives on his off wing, has the look of a playmaking wing or center with power-forward potential at the next level."

<strong>Jason Bukala (Sportsnet) (#18): </strong>"Chernyshov is a <strong>strong skater with high-end vision</strong> in the offensive zone. He reads where to be off the puck and finds quiet ice in the process. His combination of size and skill project him as a top two line scoring winger who leans shooter/finisher more than distributor."

<strong>Elite Prospects (Draft Guide) (#19): </strong>"A <strong>powerful skater</strong> and a high-end handler, Chernyshov excels at anticipating openings and exploiting them. He beats defenders consistently by properly setting up his dekes, building up speed below the puck and then <strong>attacking with a speed advantage</strong> and working give-and-goes. While he’s often direct, he also has a rather advanced delay game that he can pull out when the situation calls for it."

<strong>Chris Peters (Flo) (#19): </strong>"Chernyshov is a fascinating prospect as he has a power-forward’s mentality with a good motor and nice touch with the puck. He’s 6-foot-2 and closing in on 200 pounds, making him <strong>hard to knock off the puck</strong>. He has good-enough pace, never quits on pucks and engages physically. Chernyshov has a strong shot with an ability to beat goalies from distance and he can get it off in a variety of ways. Chernyshov has good hands and some creativity to him, but I would not call his hands truly dynamic. He has a chance to be a good scoring winger in a team’s top six, but I feel more comfortable projecting him as a secondary scorer with a chance to be on a team’s power play."

<strong>Corey Pronman (The Athletic) (#19): </strong>"Chernyshov was very good at the junior level in Russia and earned ice time up in the KHL with a regular shift for a top team in Dynamo Moscow. He's a <strong>big, powerful winger who skates well</strong> and has a lot of offensive creativity. He beats defenders routinely with his one-on-one plays, sees the ice well and can create at the net. He's not going to run players over with his physical play, but he uses his body to create offense. He has the ability to control play at even strength due to his variety of tools and looks the part of a potential strong top-six winger in the NHL." (but unfortunate player comp: Ilya MIkheyev)

<strong>Tyler Willard (DraftPro) (#20): </strong>"He is a very dynamic and responsible <strong>two-way centerman</strong> who demonstrates tremendous upside and physicality to his game. He has good lateral movement which allows him to go through the neutral zone to create a strong forecheck and seems to never give up on the play. His puck skills are at a great level as they are quick. His passing ability is considered very good as <strong>most of his passes are completed as he always tries to make the right play.</strong> He has good anticipation and in- game reads in the offensive zone but his poise with the puck in a weaker situation needs to improve in his decision making. His shooting is considered to be powerful as he can pack a punch and wire some crucial wrist shots from the top of the slot. Even though he is not considered a tank at all means, but he uses his size to a great advantage at protecting the puck which is a key reason why it may be his best aspect of his puck skills. When it comes to throwing effective checks, they are pretty effective as the opponent can get a bit dazed. When it comes to his defensive game, <strong>he has a strong defensive mind </strong>as he is in the right position at the right time to make the interception of the shot block which is truly critical for a two-way player. He will use his strength to his advantage where he could key puck battles as well as win hard faceoff battles. Where his game lacks are his edgework as his quick feet and keeping momentum while turning and spinning, is very lacking which he can get caught with a stick lift. - TW

<strong>Steven Ellis (Daily Faceoff) (#20): </strong>"At 6-foot-2 and 192 pounds, Chernyshov has good size and isn’t afraid to use it. He played more than half the season in the KHL but was also a stout offensive threat in the MHL thanks to his<strong> slick stickhandling</strong>. For the most part, I like how he has matured this year. He doesn’t make as many poor decisions with and without the puck as he did last year. Chernyshov does a great job of working his tail off without the puck, something that’ll excite NHL coaches."

<strong>Byron Bader (Hockey Prospecting) (#20):</strong>-- No profile written. Has him as 41% to become a star, higher than Cayden Lindstrom (36%), Michael Hage (31%), Trevor Connelly (25%), Sacha Boisvert (24%), Tij Iginla (21%), Beckett Sennecke (13%), Michael Brandsegg-Nygard (13%) (behind Celebrini, Demidov, Catton)

<strong>Josh Tessler (Smaht Scouting) (#20):</strong> "Igor Chernyshov is a Russian power forward prospect. He plays a <strong>gritty game </strong>and works the boards with great pressure shift in shift out. He is <strong>defensively responsible in transition</strong> and will put up a tough fight at open ice. In the defensive zone, he will fall back to the low slot and provide support to his defensemen down low. From a production stand point, Chernyshov has thrived off of odd man rushes / breakouts in MHL play. Most of his MHL primary 5v5 points have come off of odd man rushes."

<strong>Ben Kerr (LWOS) (#21): </strong>"Igor Chernyshov is signed with Dynamo Moscow for at least one more season. As with many Russian players, due to political factors and the lack of a transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL, there can be questions of when he will come over. In this case, a year or two in the KHL could be beneficial, especially if Chernyshov is able to continue to get stronger and earn more ice time. He could be two or three years away from being NHL ready and may also need some AHL time.Overall, he has the <strong>package of speed, size, power, and defensive game </strong>that NHL scouts, GMs, and coaches love. As with many teenagers, he needs to continue to round out his game and keep improving, but if he reaches his potential, he would be a valuable top six forward capable of playing in all situations. Chernyshov’s <strong>game is reminiscent of Brady Tkachuk</strong>. This is a stylistic comparison only though and not one based on skill or ability."

<strong>Scott Wheeler (The Athletic) (#23): </strong>"Chernyshov is a November 2005 who has progressed in line with his older age. He established himself as a point-per-game MHL player and scored his first KHL goal (at 16 years and 352 days, he was actually the 11th-youngest player to ever play in a KHL game) last season and bounced between the MHL and KHL this year, showing mostly well in limited usage with Dynamo Moscow’s pro team and registering 28 points in 22 games when he played with his peers. At the junior level, I felt he created more looks than his production suggested in the first half of the season. Then, in the second half, the points really started to fall and his production elevated back to where it belonged to reaffirm his clear first-round merits. He’s a <strong>big, strong winger and modern power-forward type </strong>where driving is a part of his identity but not to a bullish fault as his only focus. He plays a straight-line game and has the individual skill and a quick release to go at defenders and make plays off the rush or finish from the slot with a quick, one-touch shot in zone. He’s a smooth enough skater, which complements his impressive rush package without needing dynamic burst. Add in a relatively committed game off the puck and there's a lot to like about his mold. He can attack at defenders in a variety of ways, threaten on the puck or get open off of it, and he works hard enough. With his tools and versatile skill, he profiles like a pro; a future top-nine NHL winger and secondary creator on a line. Patience will be important as he builds his game up in the KHL over the next couple of years but he's got the makings of a solid contributor."

<strong>Adam Kimelman (NHL.com) (#24): </strong>"Have to be patient to get Chernyshov to North America, but the reward could be worth it for a big, skilled forward who already has shown an ability to use his body to attack the net and produce as an 18-year-old in the KHL."

<strong>Viktor Fomich (McKeens) (#30):</strong> "In terms of Russian draft candidate discussion Igor Chernyshov is usually a bit in shadow of Ivan Demidov, but what he brings to the table makes him very easy to like. Chernyshov is <strong>built like a potential power forward, but also has very good hands, skates well </strong>and is competent both at playmaking and finishing. Might be nothing record-breaking for him last season in the MHL, but he was still right in the point-per-game territory, which is high-end enough considering his age. As the cherry on top of that he also added a goal in his limited KHL call-ups, which has been the youngest ever goal scored in his franchise’s KHL history. Injuries got in his way a bit at the end of the season, so he missed a solid chunk of preseason action and, at the moment as I write this, is looking a bit rusty, yet he certainly is someone to watch out for and consider for the first round this season."
Forum: Armchair-GM11 hours ago
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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 5:38 p.m.
Thread: Fluto Shinzawa says 2nd round pick for Ullmark
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bruins_Guy613</b></div><div>ya think so too, more teams are likely to want something in place which should help the Bruins return. it also takes any pics for this year off the boars which means they may lean into more of a hockey trade.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>Also a viable possibility. I believe the closer he is to his Vezina year and the removal of injury risk has value. Whether it is enough for him to contemplate a trade to a market he’d normally turn down is an interesting discussion. It offers him more leverage overall.

I don’t see Florida acquiring Chychrun if you look at their expected commitments. Look at how many UFA’s they have to deal with in the next two years</div></div>

I think wherever he goes, it ends up being 2025 1st, which most teams would be happy to move for 6-7 years of him (vs one year of him). Or potentially hockey trade, if that lines up better.

Chychrun to FLA is just my hunch. Also would be move after 7/1/25.

(None of us will be here any more though)
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:27 p.m.
Thread: Markstrom Out Necas and Skjei in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Right demographic can refer to window of competition. Markstrom with 2 years of term absolutely fits that.

I find the whole situation weird because Devils fans seems to issue with trading a 1st for Markstrom if they can trade back to like 15th first. Just to gain an extra 2nd round pick. IMO it's just a roundabout way of thinking to avoid physically trading the 10th OA directly for Markstrom</div></div>

He was definitely talking about age with the “right demographic” quote. He even qualified it by saying, “maybe not age 22, 23, but same age as our core”. It was almost as he was saying bluntly, it’s not a pick we are trading for 34-year old goalie. He also said he would move it for a player that is controllable not only for this year, next year, but “years to come”.

And he was clear in a couple of interviews that it may be a forward or dman in return if he dealt that pick. Almost sounded like he want to downplay goalie targets.

Before his recent round of interviews, I thought NJD 1st for Markstrom, VAN 1st could be possible…it’s hard to think that now.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:01 p.m.