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Toronto Maple Leafs
5 hours ago
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
If the Leafs want some more sandpaper up front, I'd stay away from Dakota Joshua and pursue Warren Foegele
Forum:
NHL
12 hours ago
Thread:
Best Expiring Rights players
Going to be interesting to see what happens with Sward (who is actually in Colorado now)
Forum:
NHL
Yesterday at 9:34 a.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Nah they can just sign Martinez to a 1-2 year cheap deal</div></div>
Hes retiring
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 8:26 p.m.
Thread:
Marner to Washington State
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KrakenTheCode</b></div><div>I see you have done your homework. Kudos on that and on making a trade idea that value wise I think is pretty even and not horribly lopsided in either direction (like so many on here are). Ultimately whether such a deal goes through would depend on Marner and his NMC, and whether Seattle would be comfortable making a move like this for a player that initially at least wouldn't be guaranteed to stay past a year. The Kraken's prospect pool could also use that top-pairing-ceiling defenseman, and your evaluation of Nyman is spot on; he's probably their best prospect behind Wright at this point. So on the Kraken's end it comes down to a question of how they want to build their roster; keep their prospect pool intact and growing and pursue avenues to add scoring that don't involve depleting their roster and farm too significantly, or aggressively pursue a blockbuster deal for a higher-wattage star like Marner. Time will tell which path they choose.</div></div>
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At this point I'm not even sure if a Marner trade will actually materialize. Wanted to explore a different avenue instead of the same old ACGM crap. If / when Seattle walks away with one of this drafts top defenseman, they are going to be a genuine contender for so many years. Curious to see what the Kraken do this offseason, I'm a very big fan of Bylsma and his systems. Coachella was such a great team under his leadership. Plus, Seattle's roster construction just makes them a super fun team to watch regardless.
Big fan of your analysis on the situation, thanks for discussing!
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 8:04 p.m.
Thread:
Adding Marner Into Bylsmas System
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeclanLovesHockey</b></div><div>Now I know you know that's not even close...</div></div>
It's more just the bones of a Marner deal. I'm not even going to waste my energy trying to put together an actual deal. I tried to use Eichel as a comp, since he decided where he went thanks to his NMC while Marner has similar power. Nyman is a genuine top prospect. He would become one of our best young players immediately. Bjorkstrands inclusion was to make the money work, but he's also an immensely talented player who I would welcome with open arms. The 8th overall pick would be huge. Whatever gets added onto this likely wouldn't be super significant, so I just didn't care enough to think about it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 8:01 p.m.
Thread:
New Look for Keefe
I would bet good money on Keefe pairing Siegenthaler with Marino. He is going to lean HEAVILY on those 2.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Wed. at 7:57 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs Prospects, Draft Picks and More
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>When do y'all think the first contract/extension will be?
Last season one contract was signed (May 15th - Vyacheslav Peksa)
and two extensions (June 28th - David Kampf & Pontus Holmberg)
Expiring reserve list players:
Brandon Lisowsky - Expires June 1
Veeti Miettinen - Expires Aug 15
Mike Koster - Expires Aug 15
Players who could get a contract before July 1:
UFAs:
Max Domi (C,RW) - **
Tyler Bertuzzi (LW, RW) - *
TJ Brodie (LD/RD) - x
Joel Edmundson (LD/RD) - *
Mark Giordano (LD) - x
Ilya Lyubushkin (RD)
Martin Jones (G) - *
Ilya Samsonov (G) - x
John Klingberg (RD) - x
Matt Murray (G) - x
Kyle Clifford (LW)
Dylan Gambrell (C)
RFAs:
Connor Dewar (LW, C) (ARB) - ***
Noah Gregor (LW, RW) (ARB)
Nick Robertson (LW, RW) - ***
Timothy Liljegren (RD) (ARB) - ***
Max Ellis (RW) (ARB) - *
Alex Steeves (LW, RW) (ARB) - **
Maxime Lajoie (LW) (ARB)
Keith Petruzzelli (G) (ARB)
* - Strong case to come back
** - Likely coming back
*** - Almost guaranteed
x - Almost guaranteed not coming back
So, when will the first move happen? What/who will it be?</div></div>
My guess is Domi. The only UFA I want to return is Domi. The only RFA I want to return is Dewar. Trade Liljegren for a pick and Robertson for another RD (preferably one a little more physical and defensively reliable, ala Korczak). I really just don't see Robby and Lili being apart of Trelivings plans, ESPECIALLY Liljegren. Seems like he is all but gone. I liked Edmundson, but I guarantee adding more offense from the blueline will be the biggest priority. I don't think they want anymore lefties playing right. Montour will probably be our biggest target. Roy and Pesce will be close seconds.
This team should be extremely different next season. I doubt very many people are coming back
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Wed. at 7:25 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
"I've had a number of well-established coaches reach out to say that I should be happy now that I get to coach in the <em><strong>real NHL</strong></em>"
- Sheldon Keefe
"It would be an honour to coach there for the Toronto Maple Leafs, if that ever happened. It’s (one of) if not the best hockey market in the world. A great organization that does everything they can to try to win"
- Craig Berube
So glad we've got Berube behind the bench now. Enough of the petty bulls***. Between his comments in the end of season interviews where he distanced himself from Toronto and now this, Keefe has made me begin cheering on the downfall of the Devils. What a terrible comment to make, even if they weren't his exact words. Stuff like that doesn't need to be said. Be a professional and have some class. There will be no "real NHL" coaching going on with Sheldon Keefe on your bench. He is a complete joke. Good f***ing riddance
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
Tue. at 10:07 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs Prospects, Draft Picks and More
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>Brandon Lisowsky's rights expire in 4 days. Do you guys think he'll get signed? I hope so (I'm higher on him than most) but I doubt it at this point</div></div>
I doubt he gets inked. No real room for another small scoring winger. He'll definitely get a contract eventually though, he's a genuinely solid player who could make some noise in some other system
Forum:
NHL Signings
Tue. at 2:20 p.m.
Thread:
San Jose Sharks signed Will Smith (3 Years / $4,150,000 AAV)
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Welcome to the NHL!
I will say, it is fitting that the Fresh Prince winds up on a team in Cali. Such a big fan of Smith, cannot wait to see what he, Celebrini, and Eklund have in store for us. San Jose is going to be so much fun in just a few years time
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Site Discussion
Mon. at 5:57 p.m.
Thread:
Capfriendly Premium
I feel like i haven't heard anything about Premium since its release. Is there a specific timeline for the features listed as "Coming Soon"?
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Other Leagues
Mon. at 5:56 p.m.
Thread:
The Future of Salary Swish
Not entirely where to post this, so apologies if its frowned upon to post it here. I dont use twitter and thats generally the most active social media for stuff like this. Not sure how much overlap there is between the moderation team here and over at SalarySwish, but I'd just like to put it out there.
Since it's release, I have gotten a surprising amount of use out of SalarySwish. The one thing I really wish it had was social features similar to the ones found here. An Armchair GM on SalarySwish would grow the website substantially, and even just introducing forums to discuss everything would be awesome. One of the most underrated things about this site is the trade / signing discussion forums. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this, just curious as to what the plans are for a website that I genuinely like. Thanks!
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 24 at 10:23 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
Unsurprisingly, Malhotra is out with Toronto. Marc Savard will no doubt fill that role
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 24 at 10:22 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>I'm looking at <a href="https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/ufa-projections-how-much-money-did-canucks-elias-lindholm-cost-himself-this-year" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">contract projections</a> and there are a few here I'd take a gamble on. Kyllington at a Benny number is for sure a good bet. Not too old and Trev has lots of familiarity with him.
Lebanc an beau would also be decent depth bets</div></div>
Love the idea of bringing in LaBanc for a 3RW at 1 or so mil
Forum:
NHL Trades
May 24 at 1:28 p.m.
Thread:
(CHI/NYI) - 2024 1st (TBL), 2024 2nd (LAK), 2024 2nd (VAN) for 2024 1st (NYI), 2024 2nd (NYI)
Easy W for New York. Weird that Chicago did this so early. Lou pretty much got a free 2nd.
Forum:
NHL
May 22 at 5:21 p.m.
Thread:
2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
Rear Admiral is reporting that Sheldon Keefe will be the next head coach of the New Jersey Devils. Here are my thoughts about it (posted a few weeks ago)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>Not going to lie, I'm curious to see what it will be like in New Jersey if Keefe gets hired. He's a solid coach, but he leans a lot on low-maintainance 2 way guy. Really likes his defensive specialists. Has a harder time incorporating younger guys into the lineup and struggles hard with less than average skaters. There aren't a lot of David Kampfs or Alex Kerfoots on NJs roster.
I've got a feeling that Haula and Palat are in for good seasons if Keefe gets in. Holtz will not get the playing time he deserves, Clarke will be a scratch, Meier will suffer, and Siegenthaler - Marino is going to get a lot of ice time.
Really curious how his structure will apply to a team that can afford to have a deeper forward group. I think he is going to love that blue line</div></div>
Keefe has a hard time incorporating certain players into the lineup. He relies a lot on players with decent skating mechanics to get the puck up ice. Doesn't seem to be a big fan of controlled entries, played a lot of dump-and-chase in Toronto (which never worked due to toronto's lack of decent forecheckers). Loves his 4th lines. Seems like a solid dude in the locker room, but failed to maintain any kind of culture in Toronto. Also doesnt like attacking off the rush.
Curious to see how this unfolds for the Devils and I wish Sheldon nothing but the best
Forum:
NHL Signings
May 22 at 5:15 p.m.
Thread:
San Jose Sharks signed Luca Cagnoni (3 Years / $950,000 AAV)
Was so shocked when I saw Cagnonis name pop up in the 4th round of last year's draft. I know he's a smaller guy, but there is no denying his skill. Such a fantasy young defenseman who will no doubt be a solid NHLer at worst and a superstar at best.
Great stuff, nice to see an ELC signed
Forum:
The Box
May 22 at 9:35 a.m.
Thread:
Music Thread
Apple released their top 100 albums of all time list and didn't include To Pimp a Butterfly...
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 21 at 5:25 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
With today's McDonagh trade, Nashvilles apparent interest in Marner, and change reportedly coming in Toronto, the pieces seem to be falling in place for a Marner deal to materialize sooner than later. If a trade does happen, I would expect it to happen before the draft.
If Nashville is the team that Marner winds up on (seems like the perfect fit. Great city, Marner would fit in very well, and Brunettes system would give Mitch a ton of success), then I would personally pass on guys like Saros and Askarov. Woll is our guy, there is no need to get another goalie. Nashville also doesn't have a ton of defenseman that really interest me. Fabbro is a fine defender, but I don't even want to imagine a Marner deal that revolves around him.
I personally want young wingers. I know we are flush with talented young wingers, but outside of Knies and Cowan we really have no young impact players. A young center would be nice, but i feel like you can address that at this year's draft and just sign a guy like Stephenson to a Trocheck deal to act as a stopgap.
The guys I'm really interested in are Matthew Wood and Phillip Tomasino. Tomasino is a guy I have long praised and kept a close eye on. Since Domi has become the guy that feeds Matthews on a daily basis, Marners playmaking ability would likely be used on the second line. I think if we do trade Mitch and get Tomasino back, then Tomasino would absolutely crush his minutes on the second line. Such a smart and talented playmaker with some good skating and a solid motor. He would flourish in Toronto IMO, reminds me a bit of Robert Thomas.
Matthew Wood is the real gem I want from Nashville though. He is a huge winger with a cannon of a shot. Skating is a slight concern, but his big frame should really help with his movement. He was a guy I was really interested in leading up to last years draft, saw a lot of Tage Thompson comparisons thrown around. He checks all the boxes for what we are going for.
Nashville also has a ton of draft picks. They have all of their firsts for the foreseeable future, and have amassed a staggering amount of second round picks (a lot of which come from Tampa lmao).
I think Evangelista, Kemell, and Askarov are all untouchable. I know MTL had the opportunity to pick up Askarov last year, but I can't see Nashville moving him. Molendyk is another very interesting prospect to look out for, but LD is a bit of a log jam on the depth charts. Regardless, Nashville certainly has the pieces to entice me into a Marner deal. Much of my willingness to move on from Mitch hinders on how exactly we spend the additional cap space. If you can't utilize it effectively, just keep the guy. He isn't a slouch. Just my two cents though
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 21 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
And Here We Go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AEcho</b></div><div>As much as I would like Necas and think there could possibly be a path for NSH to get Marner and Necas, I think Marner is the more likely of the two now. Askarov is not likely to be the piece that NSH moves on from, and with NSH's warchest of RW's I'm fine giving up Wood in this situation, especially since NSH will still have Kemell. Trotz said he wanted a high-scoring forward and Marner fits the bill more than Necas.</div></div>
In any case, I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head value wise. I don't think Toronto would do a Marner for Saros swap, getting some young high end wingers seems like the route we should go down. Wood checks so many boxes for the identity this team is shooting for, and Tomasino can help fill the 2nd line playmaking niche in Marners absence
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 21 at 3:13 p.m.
Thread:
Barrys Blockbusters
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jonesey07</b></div><div>What an insane overpayment for 1 year of Marner.
If we trade for him, it will be a Saros/Marner swap.</div></div>
Overpay???? That isn't enough for Marner alone, and that's not even mentioning the inclusion of Knies who is completely untouchable in Toronto...
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 21 at 3:08 p.m.
Thread:
And Here We Go
I think a Marner trade would definitely center around one of Wood or Askarov. Tomasino is a must for me, he is a young playmaking winger whose game I really like.
I personally think this has more to do with Necas, but that could just be my pro-Marner bias attempting to cope with the fact that my favourite Leaf is likely on the move
Forum:
NHL Trades
May 21 at 3:05 p.m.
Thread:
(NSH/TBL) - McDonagh, 2024 4th (EDM) for 2025 2nd (TBL), 2024 7th (TBL)
Cap space for Necas. Not sure what Tampa is up to
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 21 at 9:44 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Without change we go no where. We basically are repeating the same thing we have seen year after year but this time Willy is joining the double digit boyz. Even if TOR gets a tad worse but progresses further in the playoffs or is able to create a more balanced team its progress. Considering how Marner has played these last few playoffs how worse can they get without him lul
This team above highlights why he or JT needs to go the B6 is awful and lets be real cannot afford both Montour and Roy unless both take discounts if Marner or JT sticks around. Hayton at 2c = NTU guy had 3 goals and 7 assists last season. If we all thought we had trouble scoring last playoffs this team's gonna surpass it.
We have built around these 4 guys every which way, they have gone through 3 coaches, 3 GM's when is it time for us to look at them lul. Van made changes, FLA made changes, VGK, AVS, DAL etc all have seen better success then we have playoff time thanks to changes.
You really think Brad wants another Gaudreau situation where he could have traded him rather than let him walk. And no extension should be off the table not in the mood for another bend over backwards Ferris beatdown
In the end through watching these guys since 2018-2019 4 guys in double digits is not a formula for success. I dont care for regular season achievements anymore. Look at EDM they getting that and more from their stars and this is even with ****ty goaltending. Tor we role into R1 and except for last year disappoint and create all kinds of excuses dodging the fact maybe this group isn't it or good enough to win it all
If Marner does not waive oh boy u make it clear fine we aint bringing you back and you go to the media and say "we wanted to move him he said no go talk to him". As we have no assets to spend 2025 TDL and not enough cap to address some key issues, and we should not be trying to extend him and JT no sir enough. The winds of change besides coaching need to start now
But anyways all the insiders believe big change is coming with many saying he's probs on his way out so let's see as coach is not enough</div></div>
Not going to argue about Marner and his impact because it'll just go in circles. There was already significant change this offseason in the form of Berube being hired. Also I managed to pretty easily put that roster together with Montour at 6m and Roy at 5.75m. We have a ton of cap space to deal with, and even more if we move on from guys like Jarnkrok and Kampf. Moving Marner makes zero sense unless it clearly makes us better. Freeing up cap space doesn't make us better. It gives us an opportunity to address some needs, but even at that you have to account for the cap you'd also be bringing in. I have little to no interest in trading Marner as a Leafs fan. Sure the spectacle of it all would be fun, but Marner is an important piece to this team.
Forum:
Toronto Maple Leafs
May 21 at 1:13 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs 2024 2025 Offseason Discussion Part 1: Kill or Be Killed
Domi - Matthews - Nylander
Knies - Hayton - Marner
Holmberg - Tavares - McMann
Dewar - Cousins - Reaves
Rielly - Roy
McCabe - Montour
Benoit - Korczak
Woll
Stolarz
If you dont want to play reaves everyday, shift cousins to the wing and replace the 4C with Player X. Some candidates for Player X include: Zemgus Girgensons, Nathan Smith, Teddy Blueger, Pierre Edouard Bellemare, Steven Lorentz, Sam Gagner, Travis Boyd.
I know it's fun to make up Marner trades. It's always exciting when a team makes a blockbuster trade. I've had my fun making up some Marner mocks, but let's not kid ourselves; 9 time out of 10, the Leafs are a worse team by trading Marner. There are few, if any, fair trades for Mitch. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Marner is not a player you move just for the sake of moving. You don't trade a player of his caliber to send a message. The only way you trade him is if you are striking gold. Look at the Thunder when they traded PG to the Clippers, or the Raptors when they traded DeMar to the Spurs.
If I were the GM, I'd just play this season out. Move on from some of the supporting cast (ie Jarnkrok and Liljegren) and address the most glaring needs with our copious amount of cap space. See how this team looks under a more systematic and disciplined coach, and if that fails then no need to worry because Tavares' 11mil is coming off the books. Why rush into something that would make us so much worse? Why trade Mitch if we aren't getting full value? Marner is a core part of this team and is a highly coveted player. The grass isn't always greener folks.
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