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Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: I want to say McAvoy trade rumours are dumb

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>One person isn’t a management group, semantics I know but it’s not the same group, 5 years later it’s not the same group of guys in the same roles.

You can say it’s the GM</div></div>

Fair enough. I'm certainly not familiar enough with the inner workings of the Bruins to comment beyond the GM

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: I want to say McAvoy trade rumours are dumb

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>delete this (McAvoy on this ****ty team) and Hamilton didn't want to re-sign in Boston anyways

who cares we got Senyshyn, JFK and Lauzon and McAvoy-Carlo on the right side</div></div>

I don't follow Boston closely do any of them look like they have a significant NHL career ahead of them? I heard about JFK sometimes but I though Senyshyn was a bust

(As a Leafs fan I was terrified they'd choose Barzal so was happy they didnt()

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: I want to say McAvoy trade rumours are dumb

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Its not the same management group, but good try good effort on trying to sneak in a troll shot in there</div></div>

Yeah Sweeney became GM in May 2015 and the trade happened in June 2015

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: I want to say McAvoy trade rumours are dumb

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Its not the same management group, but good try good effort on trying to sneak in a troll shot in there</div></div>

It's not? I'm pretty sure it was done right after Chiarelli was fired and Sweeney was hired

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: Blowing it up

Toronto is crazy if they offer any value for that TERRIBLE Burns contract.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago

Thread: McAvoy out

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Some hack writer looking for attention mentioned McAvoy struggling and how the Rangers need d-men. It's just throwing **** against the wall to stir the pot. But it work because there are a ton of idiots doing McAvoy trades now.</div></div>

Thank you I was trying to figure out the origin of these

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:48 pm

Thread: If only Muzzin were a right D and Barrie an LD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ryminister_27</b></div><div>because Muzzin - Barrie looked awful when they tried it this year</div></div>

They were effective at the world championships two years ago. If give em another shot under Keefe

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:29 pm

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MikeyThePensFan</b></div><div>Honestly I think Lindholm is worth a Marner +. A top pair defenseman is worth at least a top line forward.</div></div>

If they were the same age with the same years of control sure. But they're not

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:04 pm

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I wish Leaf fans would stop blaming the Leafs so called top pairing woes on having an inadequate RHD to play with Reilly. Maybe Reilly should just improve his game. Reilly is good on PP, and just OK at even strength. Both Babcock and Keefe were/ are pretty fearful of putting Reilly on PK. So while I have not agreed with the silly "numbering system" fans give for NHL pairings, you can hardly call Reilly a "#1" because does not play a complete game as Dman.</div></div>

Rielly is third in short handed time on ice per game this year by a d.

He plays in all situations and has been playing injured and leading the team in minutes.

<a href="https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/TOR/</a>

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:01 pm

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>If you want a guy like lindholm, start with nylander</div></div>

Nylander doesn't make sense for the leafs. The Leafs are in a stage where any big pieces they are trading would be futures.

Hence Dermott and a first

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:00 pm

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MDA_47</b></div><div>Lindholm’s price for the ducks would be Nylander, Sandin and a 2nd</div></div>

That's an insane overpay. With Nylander signed for longer Nylander is likely worth as much as him.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 12:59 pm

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Then if you decide to move him, make a much better trade</div></div>

Sure. I underestimated his value. Sue me. I'm just saying that if not competing next year, he would be an interesting piece to trade.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:55 am

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Guess you should trade rielly then</div></div>

But the Leafs are trying to compete and Ana is going into a rebuild.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:54 am

Thread: If only Muzzin were a right D and Barrie an LD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jamiepo</b></div><div>Why not go muzzin-Barrie Rielly-Holl? I’ve suggested it multiple times.</div></div>

I'm all for trying it.

I'm just saying the defensively responsible, tough two way d were looking for to pair with Rielly is literally describing Muzzin

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:50 am

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MDA_47</b></div><div>Lindholm is worth wayyyy more. And no he does not</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Brutal trade for Anaheim</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>A. Very very hard pass, and B. No, I've never seen him on the right side</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MikeyThePensFan</b></div><div>I don’t think Ducks will accept, Lindholm is phenomenal. You will have to play Rielly on the right side as Lindholm is LD only.</div></div>

I redid it a bit. Thoughts

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:46 am

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Brutal trade for Anaheim</div></div>

Is it really that bad? Lindholm only has 2.5 years left.

Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 11:21 am

Thread: Can Lindholm play the right side

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MikeyThePensFan</b></div><div>I don’t think Ducks will accept, Lindholm is phenomenal. You will have to play Rielly on the right side as Lindholm is LD only.</div></div>

He is phenomenal but if they're rebuilding he has only 2 years left. They are getting a younger lower end but still top4 likely d in Dermott and a 1st with a winger upgrade.

I tried to make real value.

But if as you say he is LD only it doesn't make sense for the leafs. Neither Rielly nor muzzin are great on the right.

Ironically Muzzin is the d were looking for to pair with Rielly. They just both play the same side.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 5:01 pm

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>thats only because they are young with room to grow. if they were 27 they would be worth at most a 2nd and maybe a 5th.</div></div>

Yeah but they are that. So there ya go.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 3:41 pm

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>because he is a true rw. he cant play his offside. alot of wingers cant and dont like switching in general. That being said i just dont value either kapanen or mango as highly as most leafs fans do, im not the only outside team fan that thinks this way.</div></div>

Many value them overly highly but I'm comfortable with my statement of their value. A very low end first.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 1:38 pm

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>See you say they're likely good 2nd line wingers. How do you know when you have 2 first line centermen? i dont remember kapanen or johnsson playing particularly well with kadri.</div></div>

They did play well with others that's how they moved up the lineup. Kapanen has been good with Kerfoot. He played poorly when they tried to play him on the left side with Tavares to replace the injured Hyman

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:51 pm

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>My problem with kapanen is that he doesnt really produce with the 3rd line. He needs the elite playmakers i.e. a tavares or a matthews or a nylander or a marner to produce. Same with mango, they are just role players. Sure they can play top 6 if you have another elite talent to shoulder the load. I dont think they will play well apart from elite playmakers.</div></div>

Where do I find splits? My understanding is they are producing fine outside of those roles. Kapanen is a bit younger and progressing well. He also has one elite skill (his speed).

Jonsson is a little older but did score goals great in Sweden.

But they're both likely good 2nd line wingers. Kapanen with more long term upside and more years of control.

Many do give them more value than they're worth. That's for sure.

But they're likely both worth late (like very late like 25th is) firsts roughly.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 9:25 am

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>This is not a good way to analyze players.</div></div>

Here's a much more thorough analysis I did years ago

<a href="https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/9/27/2452941/common-misconceptions-how-much-should-that-forward-score" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/9/27/2452941/common-misconceptions-how-much-should-that-forward-score</a>

People misconstrue what a second line wingers is. It's a guy scoring 17 goals and 37 points.

Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 9:24 am

Thread: TRADE WITH RIVALS TO WIN YOUR THOUGHTS

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>So a defacto RW1 which basically makes him a middle 6 winger. got it. Made my point for me lol.</div></div>

I just get annoyed at people using the term wrong. People were originally calling him a third line winger. He's not

He's been performing for 1.5 years like a ****ty first line winger. It's just that people's expectations are unrealistic.

Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:06 pm

Thread: Movin and shakin

I'm surprised you didn't want Jersey to throw in Hughes.

These trades aren't realistic

Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 5:12 pm

Thread: If the Leafs actually were going to trade Dermott

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MadLin27</b></div><div>As a Leafs fan I would do it.

The assets you have the Leafs offering are all good (less Ceci), but they are mid-value pieces. Dumba is a high value player and its hard to get teams to take a package of decent for a singular high value piece.</div></div>

The Phaneuf and Thornton trades did happen... But yes they are rare.

And yes Ceci is just for salary.

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