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Armchair-GM
3 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>shmoeman</b></div><div>Not sure Id say Barkov is more valuable, I suppose it would just be team preference if theyd rather have a top scoring winger vs top 3 two-way center. But regardless Barkov isnt moving</div></div>
I said hes a bit more valuable because when push comes to shove you should take the C.
But yeah. I'm just trying to create perspective.
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Armchair-GM
3 hours ago
Thread:
I wonder if Stalock would even want to come
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>No chance the Wild move Brodin for that little. They'd want something closer to what Muzzin went for. That being said, they're 2 points out of a playoff spot with 2 games in hand on the 2nd Wild card and Brodin has been great lately. They won't move him period at this point, unless they're getting an immediate roster upgrade.
Stalock has had a decent season as a backup forced to be the starter. With Dubnyk playing poorly and taking time away to help his wife with her health issues, they'll want goaltending depth and having Kahkonen waivers exempt means he'll go back down when Dubnyk is ready.</div></div>
Clearly I just don't follow Minni enough. Haha
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Armchair-GM
3 hours ago
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I wonder if Stalock would even want to come
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>That depends on where you think the Wild are. You think they are rebuilding, yet nothing they have done at all suggests that. In fact, they went and signed UFA's this year and extended Spurgeon for 7 years, not something you would do if you were rebuilding. So that trade makes no sense because they want none of those pieces.</div></div>
Okay that is totally fair. I am going with they are rebuilding because I don't see how they have a choice. I just don't see high end youth on that team. Their only top pairing defenseman/top line forward under 28 is Dumba. They have to deal with the contracts for Suter (still good) and Parise (passed his prime). I dunno I think it's time to nuke it.
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>No. Just history and logic.</div></div>
History of the team should only be considered under current ownership/management and they are clearly spending and trying to win. So I don't think history speaks against it
I don't know Barkov personally, so I think its just as likely he wants to be in a warm non hockey hotbed where he can enjoy the weather and be anonymous, then be a star in a hockey hot bed. Both have appeal to different people, and I don't see how we could know which appeals to him more.
Until I see reasons otherwise, I'll assume he'll stay
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Propeller09</b></div><div>I dont' think you are giving Studnicka and Beecher enough Credit, but point taken. Bruins won't move McAvoy. If it's McAvoy, it would be straight up.</div></div>
BAHAHAHAHA!
I don't think you understand how good Barkov is. Would you trade McAvoy straight up for Pasta? Barkov is a little MORE valuable than Pasta...
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>1. He’s not Russian.
2. There’s been no indication he’ll be able to win there.
3. Florida has the long history of paying their UFA’s or something?
4. It’s Florida. Biggest trash bag state in the country.
5. A lot of players want to play in traditional hockey markets.
If he had signed for 8 years off his entry level deal, I’d have more faith in his desire to stay. He signed a deal that took him to UFA quickly, and he sacrificed money for that.</div></div>
He signed before he broke out offensively. Florida is spending money since Tallon came in. I don't see any reason to say he'll leave.
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Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bcarlo25</b></div><div>Panther for life? More like for two more years until he hits UFA.</div></div>
I don't see any reason they won't give him his UFA deal. I suspect he'll get 11-13 mil for term.
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
New Idea - Trade Deadline
People see "first" and overvalue them. Boston's "firsts" aren't that valuable if they keep playing the way they do. They'll be 23+
Kase is an underrated winger too.
not sure if the value is fair, but it doesn't make sense for Anaheim, they need guys like Rakell and Kase to build around, they should be trading guys older than them
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
All in TDL - FLA Trade
Would you trade Bergeron for this haul if he were about 6 years younger?
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
Is this enough for Vrana
Is this a joke? It WAY too much
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
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We need a big winger who can score
I just don't see Detroit trading Mantha, they're building around him...
Also all firsts aren't made equal. The firsts you could get for Tatar or Petry are not going to be from teams out of the playoffs...
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
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Trade Ideas
I'd rather ceci to Bogosian. Campbell makes too much and has not proven to be better than Hutch....
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
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character transplant
What is this crap?
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
Buffalo is not trading Sam Reinhart
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DahlinOlofsson67</b></div><div>Galchenyuk scored 30 goals 4yrs ago and is on pace for like 10g. Bogosians value is not great but i don't think Galchenyuk has much more value due to never scoring 60pts as a number 3 pick from 7yrs ago and has been traded twice in 2yrs</div></div>
He still has significantly more value than a guy who has been scratched for like half of this season.
He should still get a low first or a couple high seconds, or a good but not blue chip prospect.
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
Buffalo is not trading Sam Reinhart
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MaxDomi13</b></div><div>Reinhart is projected to get 60 points i think</div></div>
yeah, so a young 60 point winger/centre, former high pick has value. But he isn't untouchable. He should be available in the right situation. Shouldn't be shopped though
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Armchair-GM
8 hours ago
Thread:
I wonder if Stalock would even want to come
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>newballcoach</b></div><div>What possible reason does Minnesota have to make that trade? Two second rounds picks, a B prospect and a guy who will be a career bottom 6/AHL tweener, plus Ceci's expiring contract is a terrible return.</div></div>
Two seconds and Timashov (a young cheap tweener as you say), and a fine but overpaid Dman who can likely be flipped for a pick with retention (Ceci) seems like a reasonable return for Brodin, no? I felt his value has dropped a lot over the years, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Stalock for a B prospect seemed fair... No?
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Armchair-GM
9 hours ago
Thread:
Buffalo is not trading Sam Reinhart
I'm not saying he will be traded but he is likely the largest value player that isn't untouchable (dahlin and Eichel) that is in the NHL. So if you want something big it isn't impossible to trade him
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Armchair-GM
23 hours ago
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I feel like the only way the Rangers keep DeAngelo is if they dont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AJC13</b></div><div>I like how you know the unhappiness of having three goalies and that you think the Rangers will give Georgiev to Toronto for pennies on the dollar. Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen. Most teams over that period didn't have three number one goalies at the stage of careers of these three.</div></div>
I never commented on anyone's happiness.
Anyway check out what Talbot got you guys
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quote:</div>Talbot went to the Oilers, for whom he projects as their No. 1, in exchange for the 57th, 79th and 184th picks in the draft, the 209th going west to Edmonton. The return appears skimpy measured against the bounty Sather seemed certain he could extract for the goaltender who was so valuable as Henrik Lundqvist’s understudy.</div>
<a href="https://nypost.com/2015/06/27/rangers-trade-cam-talbot-and-carl-hagelin/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://nypost.com/2015/06/27/rangers-trade-cam-talbot-and-carl-hagelin/</a>
Talbot was way better for new York then Georgiev has been.... He got a very late 2nd, a late third and a seventh with like an 8th going back...
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Armchair-GM
Thu at 3:06 pm
Thread:
Do The Rangers Trade DeAngelo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>I appreciate you trying to make a statistical argument. Surely you'll appreciate one that's done with actually predictive stats that give you a much fuller on-ice picture...
<a href="https://ibb.co/JRxQ7G5" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/WWDtyMg/Screen-Shot-2019-12-12-at-11-05-44-AM.png" alt="Screen-Shot-2019-12-12-at-11-05-44-AM"></a></div></div>
That's 297 minutes....
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Armchair-GM
Thu at 3:04 pm
Thread:
I feel like the only way the Rangers keep DeAngelo is if they dont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AJC13</b></div><div>I don't want to buy out Hank! Hank should be a Ranger for as long as he wants to be a Ranger, unless he's not competent anymore or a drooling Vegetable - but that's just common sense. If he request a trade and waives his NMC because of a three goalie rotation - great! I don't see Georgiev complaining and Shesterkin will be happy to just be in the NHL and playing every 3rd game.</div></div>
I like how you know what the happiness of these goalies will be. Shesterskin has dominated everywhere he's been. He's going to want to have his NHL shot.
No team in the last 10-20 years to my knowledge has carried 3 goalies that play beyond a few weeks. So I doubt it happens.
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Armchair-GM
Thu at 3:02 pm
Thread:
I feel like the only way the Rangers keep DeAngelo is if they dont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AJC13</b></div><div>Rangers would keep Georgiev and not trade him, then trade him for two 3rd round picks. Georgiev is a number one goalie... If Toronto isn't willing to give up in trade what's required to acquire a number one goalie, then trade for a backup goalie. Two 3rd round picks for Georgiev is an insult and Gorton would wonder why Toronto thinks so little of his intelligence.</div></div>
Georgiev is not a number one goalie. He's a young goalie who's played pretty well at times and is going to want his shot at a starters job. Goalies don't have all that much value and if traded in the offseason (as above) I doubt he returns more than a second.
Also the Rangers aren't keeping him and Lundy through next year. They have their Uber goalie prospect to bring up
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Armchair-GM
Thu at 3:00 pm
Thread:
Wings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MacerV</b></div><div>Those two years are a pretty critical fact. Kapanen is younger than AA was when he got those career highs (highs he is not going to repeat this year). When re-signing him this off-season I doubt they're going to go up to his agent and grant him the benefit of the doubt of being a guaranteed 30 goal scorer.
AA vs Kapanen's P/GP by age
Age : AA | Kap
21 : 0.38 | 0.24
22 : 0.45 | 0.56
23 : 0.46 | 0.56
24 : 0.71 | -
25 : 0.52 | -
As for him playing center, after looking it up he did so for only a short time before being moved back. He's done it at the AHL, but he's also 25 so making that move seems unlikely. The extra value is minor in that case, the versatility of needing him to take a faceoff is nice, but he hasn't done so regularly, and hasn't had an above 50% rate until this year and that is with only 45 faceoffs in 29 games.</div></div>
The bottom line is he's done more in the NHL. Kapanen can claim potential, but for now AA is more valuable.
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Armchair-GM
Thu at 7:46 am
Thread:
Do The Rangers Trade DeAngelo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>uh Chytil is a great 2C...</div></div>
He has 36 points in over 100 gp. He has less than half a point per game this year.
He may be a great 2 C in the future. He isn't even an okay one right now
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu at 12:01 am
Thread:
Do The Rangers Trade DeAngelo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sagecoll</b></div><div>nope. that sort of offensive talent from a dman is pretty impossible to replicate.</div></div>
I think they will simply because of next year's cap crunch. They're stuck essentially with Shattenkirk's whole contract next year (buyout calculations are weird), and after pushing DeAngelo hard in negotiations this year I gotta think he expects to be paid.
Theyve I vested in trouba as their number 1 Rd. They like fox coming up. Gotta think they look to save money vs spending big on DeAngelo.
The only way I see them keeping him is if one of their younger c prospects can take over 2 C and/or they can't find an upgrade at 2c and save a lot of money there
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 11:57 pm
Thread:
Wings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MetaKnight</b></div><div>Still probably an upgrade over our backups</div></div>
How? Hutch is 0-5-1 with an 876 SV percentage. Howard is 2-11-1 with an 881 SV percentage. I guess that's technically a hair better. But it's certainly not worth paying him 1.3 million more than. Hutch
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