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BigShoots

Big Shoots
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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 3:55 pm
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>I have made the argument as to why Schmidt isn’t a top 4 defenseman. He sucks and his stats prove it. And yes playing special teams is an asset. But just because you are a top 4 d doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll play pp or pk. Using ATOI is a ridiculous and flawed argument to make because your defense sucks. So like I said, if MP was on the Canucks and Schmidt was on the pens, Schmidt would be on the 3rd pair and MP would be on the top pair. Using ATOI as an argument for being a good defenseman means you think guys like Filip Hronek and Nikita Zaitsev are on the same level as Victor Hedman, Kris Letang, Alex Pietrangelo just because they play a similar amount of time on the ice. But the reality is, if either of those players were on a team like the pens or Avs, they’d be 3rd pair defensemen. It is your responsibility to make a logical case as to why Schmidt would be a top pair, or at least top 4 defenseman for the pens.</div></div>

"Schmidt sucks and his stats prove it" Which stats would those be?

Pettersson would clearly be behind Hughes and Edler last season that is not even up for debate. The funny thing is Pettersson isn't even a 5th dman as we proved. He so amazing but yet not a pp or pk player. Played less mins than Jack Johnson last yr. Johnson being widely known as one of the worst defensemen in the league. This yr he played less than Matheson, Ceci, even the rookie Joseph played more when he was called up. I guess in the playoffs he would be used more right? Oh well look at that he played 13:19 in the playoffs. Yes that is 18th on the entire team in ice time, dead last amongst dmen. Pitt defense is really not that stellar after Dumoulin and the Letang either.

Then he gets exposed in the Seattle draft. And would you look at that the Kraken don't select him.

As I made quite clear Schmidt plays 20 mins a night for the last 4 seasons. You don't do that as a 5th dman. In the playoffs those numbers go up to 22-24 min a night. Only top pair guys play that much. He did that on a cup contender. You kind conveniently have glossed over this. So again please explain how he is not a top 4 dman when he has played as a no.1 and no.2. Which stats of his suck? He literally played shutdown mins in a new system against McDavid, Matthews, Scheifele every night, 98 percentile for QOC.

Pettersson on the other hand makes 4 million to be a bottom pairing guy. But really which stats of Schmidt's are so bad that you think it makes him a bottom pairing dman?
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 6:24 pm
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>No using ATOI is a dumb stat to dictate what player plays on what pair because, for example, Gudbranson played a handful of games that year and they got him because their was injuries. Gudbranson also is a righty, Pettersson is a lefty. So Gudbranson was our 2nd best healthy RHD at that time behind letang. Gudbranson is hardly a top 4 Dman. The pens had Dumo, Maatta, JJ, and Pettersson that year. That was Pettersson’s rookie year and made the least out of any LHD that year by far. It’s also dumb because ATOI also adds special teams play. For example last year Ceci regularly had 5+ minutes of short handed time. So his 17-18 minutes of ATOI is really only 12-13 minutes of even strength time, while MP (outside of a handful of games during the injury bug stretch) maybe got a couple of seconds here and there of special teams time. So pretty much all of his ATOI is even strength. The o oy argument that isn’t coherent is yours lol</div></div>

You realize that playing powerplay and penalty kill is an asset for the team right. You can't say well even strength he's a top 4 defenseman. If you are that good you are going to be on the pp or pk. But to be clear you need to make the argument as to why Schmidt despite playing more minutes than any defenseman in Vegas during their cup run isn't a top 4 nhl defenseman. He can play pp and plays shutdown minutes as well, so make your case as to how you can say Schmidt is not a top 4 defenseman?
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:45 am
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>They are ATOI stats. And no Pettersson isn’t playing behind players like JJ and Gudbranson. Those guys aren’t even on the team anymore. Also when they were, Pettersson was just a rookie who literally just got traded here lololol. Your numbers are dumb and illogical to use. Your team sucks and has a terrible defense. The pens are good and have a good defense. Pettersson also didn’t have to play much special teams when everyone was healthy. So the majority of Pettersson’s ATOI is at even strength. Your argument is terrible and proves nothing except the Canucks are terrible lol</div></div>

Nice. So when you can't make an argument you just say your numbers suck and the Canucks defense sucks. He was literally behind Johnson in ATOI last yr. And the yr before he was behind Gudbranson one of the worst defenseman we've seen on the Canucks in decades. You still have made no case as to why Schmidt isn't a top 4 defenseman when he has literally played as a no. 1 and no.2 for a cup contender in recent yrs. Can you make a coherent argument or is it all just kinda feels and what you read on twitter?
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:35 am
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>You’re wrong. Your TOI numbers are dumb and make no sense. The pens had like everyone on the left side injured at the same time and POJ was playing top pair minutes. Guy only played a hand full of games. We had guys play 1-2 games in the top 4 getting 18 minutes a game. That’s why Pettersson is “ranked 8th” in TOI among pens defenseman. But he isn’t when you actually look at TOI and not ATOI. The pens defense is also a million times better at full health than Vancouver’s is at full health. Heck even at half health, pens d is better than the Canucks d lol. Again being top 2 on Vancouver doesn’t mean you are actually a top 2. Schmidt wouldn’t be a top pair dman on a good team. He wouldn’t even be top 4 on a good team. So your logic is extremely flawed. Flip Pettersson and Schmidt and Pettersson is probably a “top pair” on Vancouver too 😂</div></div>

"The numbers are dumb and make no sense" Come on dude they're literal toi stats.

Lets do TOI ice total stats team rank amongst defenseman then. Last 3 seasons.
Pettersson: 6th, 2nd (this is the one season he ranks high and Dumoulin, Marino, Schultz all just play less games), 7th
Schmidt: 4th, 3rd, 4th, 1st

Again that is just to satisfy your argument. Schmidt missed 10 games in a couple of those seasons or would have ranked higher as he was clearly the teams 1 or 2 dman in Vegas. Vegas of course went to two cup finals. Schmidt played 24;25 and 23:03 in those yrs. That ranked 1st on the team both yrs. It's a bit baffling to me that you think he is bad. Make the case that he's not top 4 when he's played consistently as a 1 or 2. Can you make a coherent argument that he is not top 4 in the face of those numbers?

I agree the Canucks d are not good but Pettersson is playing behind players like Gudbranson and Jack Johnson who are some of the worst dmen in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 3:40 pm
Thread: some trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GenXHockey</b></div><div>My opinion nylander is the better player. Eye test sells it. He also only gets 3/4 of the ice time as boesser. Nylander career high in points and goals in a season are both higher than boesser. Who hasn’t broken 60 points or 30 goals. I don’t believe the 9 or so months between them is a big deal. Nylander did have one horrible season point wise when he missed half a year. Other than that he has been fantastic.

No rose coloured glasses here. Nylander is the 2nd best player on the leafs in my opinion. Boesser also has a contract coming due. Could get messy.</div></div>

So first the metrics were points and possession, then once those were proven false it is eye test.

I can also use excuses as to why Boeser hasn't reached his full potential including a freak back injury, missing his centerman for half the season, his father falling terminally ill. Despite all this he led the Canucks in scoring. They're both really good players and quite comparable. With some better injury luck and without pandemic we might be talking about Boeser as a 40 goal scorer. But again that is what ifs, when we talk actual data Boeser stacks up well. No way you'd add the 40th pick to make that trade.

As for contract I think Nylanders 7.5 is a good comparable, in fact I'm fairly confident it could be less than that considering Nylander signed before the cap freeze.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 3:31 pm
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>Pettersson has been a top 4 d for the past two years. I understand you don’t watch anything outside of your like canucks bubble and being a top pair d on the Canucks means nothing, especially when your stats are terrible lol. The Canucks d outside of Hughes is kinda bad lol.



https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20202021&amp;thruseason=20202021&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=ev&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8477969&amp;p2=8477220&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single

Pettersson is way better than Schmidt. It’s a what have you done for me lately business. I mean you see tons of Jarry trades for basically nothing over a few playoff games. I think a whole year of sucking should tank value even more lol. It’s funny though you say MP has only ever been a 6th d but Schmidt his a top pair lol. Schmidt’s ATOI was 20:06. MP’s last year was 19:24. So Pettersson has definitely been a top 4. And was over 16 minutes this year when they rolled 3 pairs.</div></div>

Ok let's look at this objectively.
TOI the last three season:
Pettersson: 16:29, 19:24, 17:57
Schmidt: 20:06, 21:41, 21:57

TOI team rank amongst defenseman
Pettersson: 8th, 6th, 7th
Schmidt:. 4th, 2nd, 1st

Sorry to burst your bubble. You're trying to tell me Schmidt isn't top 4 when the numbers are closer to him being a no.2 on a cup contender in Vegas no less. Pettersson on the other hand was playing less than guys like Jack Johnson, Erik Gudbranson, Mike Matheson and 3 yr averages out as a 7th defenseman in toi.

Spare me the lols and you don't watch any hockey please.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 3:30 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:15 pm
Thread: GM Mario
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>No you lose a 6th defender that’s a massive cap dump and a 4th liner (that likely would only make the lineup cause Geno will be out for the beginning of the year) for a top 4 defenseman, backup goalie, and depth forward that likely plays on the canucks 4th line.
Nate Schmidt was awful last year and is making almost 6 million for the next 4 years. That’s disgusting. Pettersson is the best player in this trade hands down.</div></div>

By which metric is Pettersson a top 4 dman? Schmidt had a down yr no doubt but it's hyperbole to suggest he isn't a top 4 defenseman. He faced the highest quality of competition almost in the whole league 98 perctile and still managed the best corsi by Canucks dmen. He was a no. 2 dman on a team that went to two cup finals. Pettersson has only ever been a 6th defenseman.

Once the divisions switch back and Schmidt isn't facing McDavid, Mattews, Scheifele every other night you'll see him do much better. His contract is totally fine right now. Touch high based on last season, but he's a clear 2-3 dman in the league, that is what they cost.