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Sep 17, 2020
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>I have made the argument as to why Schmidt isn’t a top 4 defenseman. He sucks and his stats prove it. And yes playing special teams is an asset. But just because you are a top 4 d doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll play pp or pk. Using ATOI is a ridiculous and flawed argument to make because your defense sucks. So like I said, if MP was on the Canucks and Schmidt was on the pens, Schmidt would be on the 3rd pair and MP would be on the top pair. Using ATOI as an argument for being a good defenseman means you think guys like Filip Hronek and Nikita Zaitsev are on the same level as Victor Hedman, Kris Letang, Alex Pietrangelo just because they play a similar amount of time on the ice. But the reality is, if either of those players were on a team like the pens or Avs, they’d be 3rd pair defensemen. It is your responsibility to make a logical case as to why Schmidt would be a top pair, or at least top 4 defenseman for the pens.</div></div>
"Schmidt sucks and his stats prove it" Which stats would those be?
Pettersson would clearly be behind Hughes and Edler last season that is not even up for debate. The funny thing is Pettersson isn't even a 5th dman as we proved. He so amazing but yet not a pp or pk player. Played less mins than Jack Johnson last yr. Johnson being widely known as one of the worst defensemen in the league. This yr he played less than Matheson, Ceci, even the rookie Joseph played more when he was called up. I guess in the playoffs he would be used more right? Oh well look at that he played 13:19 in the playoffs. Yes that is 18th on the entire team in ice time, dead last amongst dmen. Pitt defense is really not that stellar after Dumoulin and the Letang either.
Then he gets exposed in the Seattle draft. And would you look at that the Kraken don't select him.
As I made quite clear Schmidt plays 20 mins a night for the last 4 seasons. You don't do that as a 5th dman. In the playoffs those numbers go up to 22-24 min a night. Only top pair guys play that much. He did that on a cup contender. You kind conveniently have glossed over this. So again please explain how he is not a top 4 dman when he has played as a no.1 and no.2. Which stats of his suck? He literally played shutdown mins in a new system against McDavid, Matthews, Scheifele every night, 98 percentile for QOC.
Pettersson on the other hand makes 4 million to be a bottom pairing guy. But really which stats of Schmidt's are so bad that you think it makes him a bottom pairing dman?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>Pettersson has been a top 4 d for the past two years. I understand you don’t watch anything outside of your like canucks bubble and being a top pair d on the Canucks means nothing, especially when your stats are terrible lol. The Canucks d outside of Hughes is kinda bad lol.
Pettersson is way better than Schmidt. It’s a what have you done for me lately business. I mean you see tons of Jarry trades for basically nothing over a few playoff games. I think a whole year of sucking should tank value even more lol. It’s funny though you say MP has only ever been a 6th d but Schmidt his a top pair lol. Schmidt’s ATOI was 20:06. MP’s last year was 19:24. So Pettersson has definitely been a top 4. And was over 16 minutes this year when they rolled 3 pairs.</div></div>
Ok let's look at this objectively.
TOI the last three season:
Pettersson: 16:29, 19:24, 17:57
Schmidt: 20:06, 21:41, 21:57
TOI team rank amongst defenseman
Pettersson: 8th, 6th, 7th
Schmidt:. 4th, 2nd, 1st
Sorry to burst your bubble. You're trying to tell me Schmidt isn't top 4 when the numbers are closer to him being a no.2 on a cup contender in Vegas no less. Pettersson on the other hand was playing less than guys like Jack Johnson, Erik Gudbranson, Mike Matheson and 3 yr averages out as a 7th defenseman in toi.
Spare me the lols and you don't watch any hockey please.