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Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM23 hours ago
Thread: Montreal
any deal for Gallagher starts with Lindholm and a 1st
Linholm didnt have a 50 point season until leaving CAR who plays a 3rd line Center as their top line Center until Aho broke out last year .
Lindholm goes to CGY and gets paired with one of the top 20 Centers in the league , top 10 under 25 IMO and breaks out

Gallagher is a two time 30 goal scorer playing with Plekanec in his retirement tour and Danault a 3rd year Center who is a #2/#3 Center similar to plekanec .
putting Gallagher with Monahan and Gaudreau is 40-50 goals for Gallagher as he'll be lighting up the Power Play with those 2 as they do every year .

give up Lindholm and a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st if CGY makes the 2nd round lol
Gallagher can take them to a Cup with that offensive core leading CGY Flames in Goals like he does MTL
trading a 20 goal scorer for an Established 30 goal scorer who battles infront of the net who's just 2 years older then Lindholm
just has to high of an upside to ignore turning the Hamilton(26) and Ferland (27) deal return into Hanafin(22) and Gallagher (27)
they'd do that and only lose Adam Fox who was trade for 2nd to NYR and a conditional 2nd that becomes a 1st potentially if Gallagher succeeds post trade .
thats really cheap to get 4 years younger on defense while becoming more mobile as well as swapping a 20 year old 15-20 goal scorer for a 30 goal scorer top line RW

MTL gets Lindholm and ideal RW to help Kotkanemi jump to top line as he can provide faceoff support and playmaking for the young Center who could grow along side Domi who's the same age.
Domi-Kotkanemi-Lindholm gives MTL a top line to focus on and dull the sting of losing Gallagher .
Forum: Armchair-GM23 hours ago
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sebybbq</b></div><div>Maybe its because im not as high on AA, alzner will on is last year of deal so montreal would rather bought him out then pay seattle. Sunce
Tatar was in edmonton and we got klefbom we have no need of extending him. So that left domi, mete next season and petry danault gallagher kk to sign i think petry might get traded this year at the deadline. They could verg similar to muzzin deal. Keeping danault and gallagher( both on 4 year deal) danault is very versatile extremely underrated if he land on the 3 line he would be right in the good chair</div></div>

we can re-sign AA because he's got a lot of holes in his game and he's an RFA
the most the arbitrators would award him would be Tatar level money which is about 800K over his current value thus far in his development .
54 points is nice but when you're playing Larkin 21 minutes and 51 seconds just 9 seconds short of leading all skaters outside goalies in icetime (almost unheard of )
AA wasnt even considered for relief at 2nd center with more minutes but instead they gave 4th line center Glendenning almost 16 minutes and Larkin almost 22


he's still a 30 goal scorer in the same way Byron's a 20 goal scorer , he better then any of the 3rd line players he faces
i dont think elevating him see's his goal scoring rise but instead see's it shrink and his assist level rise

being a 30 goal scorer on the 3rd line of a bottom feeding NHL team is alot like being the the tallest midget
sure you're almost on everyone else's level but just come up just short.

Larkin on the other hand played nearly 22 minutes and scored 32 goals vs top line center with 1600 faceoffs taken at 54%.
AA is worth comfortably right now 4.5m on a contender and 5m+ on a Detroit or another rebuilding non playoff team requiring them to give up their prime years and miss the playoffs . (andreas had the same goals as dylan signing the same time took 3m less because he's not a playmaking center so its unlike he exceed's 5m )

signing AA to a 3 year 4.5m deal walking him right into his UFA status at the end of the contract at 28 years old after MTL added some value to him and taught him how to play a 2 way game not just offense like Galchnyuk as incomplete players make inconsistent players especially among goal scorers .

we could always trade him when Caufield is ready in 2-3 years
making up more then we paid in the return while he buys us time (2nd RW wide open until Suzuki,Caufield or Ylonen emerge)
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:52 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:00 pm
Thread: Provyy
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:49 pm
Thread: Werenski
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 10:31 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:58 pm
Thread: Provyy
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:48 pm
Thread: Provyy
you used the wrong pieces is all

if you're asking for Provorov then they're gonna want Mete, Suzuki ,1st and and 2

They're get a D core of

Gostisbhere-Niskanen
Mete -Sanheim
Hagg-Braun
Myers

PHI gets a 1st and a 2nd to stock depth and try finding another Provorov or Sanheim in the draft.
Suzuki-Ratcliffe re-unite in PHI AHL team after going on an amazing Memorial cup run.(although Suzuki was the clear stand out anyone who roughed up Suzuki was met by Racliffe)
Suzuki is NHL ready as a Winger and was MTL last cut this past season losing his spot to Kotkanemi who was just more impressive because he was younger and playing as good as Suzuki in Camp.
Suzuki as a Center however needs AHL seasoning if you're serious about developing him


this gives PHI the Value they need to move Provorov at a price both teams can live with .
MTL gets an upgrade to Mete at a similar age who can play here long term with Weber .

MTL does gives up a lot for sure but long term by 2021-22 or 2022-23 you're looking at a D core of note all around the same age for the first time since the 1970's .


Provorov - Juulsen
Romanov-Brook
Struble-Weber
Fleury

sure we loose Suzuki but we needed a LD more then we needed a 3rd Center prospect behind KK and RP as we've got 2-3 good middle 6 Center prospects developing now and playing Suzuki there would be a waste . developing him as a RW seems pointless when Caufield is in the Pipeline with Ylonen 1-2 years away from making an NHL debut and Gallagher holding things down untill then with Lehkonen and Armia.

but PHI would need to walk away a clear winner similar to Sakic trading Duchene or Dubois trading Kadri
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:25 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habs_fan123</b></div><div>CBJ decline bc i really dont think that they even think that they will be contenders</div></div>

even if they've not Wennberg is a contract i see CBJ fans constantly moving out similar to how fans of the Habs do to Drouin now and Shaw / Eller in years past .
his Cap vs production hasnt been up to snuff but i think its just situational and that he could at bare minimum help Kotkanemi/Poehling on wing with faceoffs like Shaw helped Domi,Danault and Drouin.
besides long term having Wennberg-Poehling-Caufield on 2nd line by 2021-22 or 2022-23 just sounds like a lot of Goals being scored .



never count Torterlla out
he's a jack ass but if he gets the right types of players he thrives
whether it Stillman in TBL or Henrik Sedin in VAN he usually leans heavily on Locker Room leaders who are complete 2 way players to lead by example .
in CBJ he chose Foligno for some reason but i think if you offered him a Danault he'd jump at the Chance

if CBJ can turn a few Wennbergs into Danaults they might be a contender
their Goaltending could use a veteran back up even if its just a Cam Ward type to help JK prepare for his first 30+ game season
ideally CBJ if they were smart would trade for OTT Craig Anderson who's 38 still starting 50+ games with solid numbers which would greatly help Korpisalo shoulder the burden.
OTT in no way a playoff and Anderson will turn 39 just before the playoffs on his final year of his Contract it would make perfect sense to OTT to make a deal with a team like CBJ with great Defensive core depth at the NHL and AHL level plus a solid forward crew with youth ready to step in

Losing Bobo and Panarin hurt hard but honestly with CBJ Defensive Core there is a lot of Goalies who could step in and thrive there especially Halak who's now a Back up .
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 9:09 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cmcnamed</b></div><div>I agree that losing Danault would suck.
Instead of looking for a long term fix, I'd go more short-term as stopgaps until one of the younger players are ready to step into their roles.

Maybe go after someone Brian Boyle or Brassard for a 1-Year deal (and flip them @ the TDL for extra assets as a bonus). I think the upcoming core will fill existing holes if the team can be patient and re-build properly with their current Top-5 pool.</div></div>

Another option is use Danault to upgrade and get Domi a Real Center today then use Poehling on 3rd , PP2 and PK1.
Let Poehling become the 3rd line shutdown Center for the next 2-3 years then trade whatever Center you acquire.

Danaults 3m cap for 2 years is highly appealing to a lot of Cash Strapped teams from TBL , STL ,CGY,CHI,NSH ,DAL and NYR for example .
CGY's Backlund would be ideal in a deal for Danault . CGY gets to clear 2.3m for 2 years and 5.3m for 3 years by moving out Backlund for Danault who's a better faceoff Center .
CGY will pay to get a Center 4 years younger who produce's at the same pace as Backlund for 2.3m less as this now gives them 10m this year for Tkchuck with enough cap to offer him 7-8 year term today.

Backlunds 30 and his main value is as a goal scoring back checker with great hockey IQ especially in defensive situations .
his contracts 5 years at 5.3m which isnt ideal but the way i figure it is in between Domi -Backlund -Gallagher he's gonna be the playmaker they can rely on.
We could easily get a 1st and a Conditional 2nd requiring Danault to re-sign or it becomes lets say a 5th

CGY gets younger , Get Tkachuk locked up and prepares for a playoff run as at this point all they need to do is pick up a LD at the TDL and they're set without Tkachuk missing a game .

i know it sounds crazy but we could get a good 3 years out of Backlund , having a playmaker who can set up shop in the OZ doesnt require him to be fast to keep up as he quarter backs the play.
Danault fits CGY needs as they need a Defensive Center who just 26 who can play with CGY three 24 year old Centers for years to come .

Backlund gives Domi the Center he needs to get 30 + goals with Gallagher likely able to push 35-40 because he can set up shop instead of heading to the corners digging pucks out as thats the beaut of Backlund working out of the NZ .When Poehlings ready to dominate top 6 head to head vs some of the leagues best in lets say 2022-21 training camp we'll retain on Backlund who hopefully will have increased his value between Domi-Gallagher increasing our profit ontop of the picks we got for helping CGY with their cap issues so they can lock up Tkachuk before the season starts .
Forum: Fauteuil - DGWed at 1:20 am
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 10:33 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cmcnamed</b></div><div>Don't hate Danault - just feels like a movable piece at this point, along with Petry, Byron, Tatar, etc...
Not really part of the long-term plans, and return the most value with 2+ years left.

I want to flip Eakin (retained) again for 2nd + 3rd, so the return is:
Late 1st
Carrier (late 2nd)
Roy (late 2nd/early 3rd)
Eakin (then) 2020 2nd+ 2021 3rd+</div></div>

seeing it like that does make more sense but still selling low
top 10 faceoff centers in the league genrally consist of the same 5-7 names with 3-5 players cycling in from 10-20th into the top 10 here and there .
Danault came from the mid 40's early 50's to top 10 at age 25

Danault for 1st , three 2nds and two 3rds is bareable short term just because it guarantee's no playoffs for MTL for 1-2 years minimum as Domi,Kotkanemi or likely Poehling would win above 50% rate if forced to take the difficult Defensive Zone Draws more . if we had brought in a Winger capable of taking 1000+ faceoffs at a decent wing rate similar to how AA played with Dylan Strome last year or Shaw with Domi then this trade begins to make perfect sense swapping out a Center for someone who can help a young Center carry the load on faceoffs . (Shaw , Eller , and Tyler Johnson are probably some of the most dominant wingers who help young Centers make the jump to playing there at the NHL level ,all able to play Center in their own rights but make those around them better )

but if you could turn one of those picks into lets say Ryan Strome to play along side Kotkanemi or Poehling at a cheap rate then it would make more sense or even a Tyler Johnson who fits our system perfectly and is on a team i need of moving 5-6m to lock up Point . it would be an upgrade on Danault as outside Kucherov he's the most dominant point producer in the post season the last 5 years because he's never injured and steps up thriving when Stamkos is each time . (giving you a really cheap example and a more costly one )

but either way picks is an alright way to go , we will lose the season but win the Draft stocking our depth with more youth .
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 9:55 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cmcnamed</b></div><div>I just think one of Poehling, Suzuki, Evans or ? can take over a 4th line exploit role as a C.
Eakin's line could take Danault's difficult minutes, so you're still running the Top 9 + Checking line Julien loves.</div></div>



Danault is a top 10 faceoff Center in the league and MTL's best defensive Penalty Kill Center since Plekanec .
Claude Juliens high on him comparing him to the early days when he found Bergeron playing on Savards LW and moved him to the middle grooming him to be a top line Center . Maybe we dont get as high of a return as we'd like but a piece with value should atleast be included or there's more value in keeping him and letting him walk for nothing as the best you got was a 1st that will be 25th-31st pick

Danault is best off at 3rd Center because he plays top Penalty Kill and Top Power Play which is a lot of minutes for him to handle in just 2 years as a full time Center in which time he's played top line 3/4 of the time first as Pacioretty's Center then as Gallaghers in year 2 . Danaults the guy that makes those around him better and ideally who you want Drouin-Gallagher staying with long term


i get you hate Danault but atleast get a player who isnt a career journeyman and a poor man's Lars Eller .
if we're going to down grade to a lesser player they should atleast be younger with a higher potential upside like Wennberg for example would be a perfect young player to swap .
CBJ struggle so hard with Faceoffs having a guy like Danault who can take 30-40# of the teams faceoffs by himself and win at 55% win rate combined with Dubinsky makes them a dominant possession team come the playoffs .
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 9:44 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 8:23 pm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cmcnamed</b></div><div>Because they're missing a #1LW - Connor, and can afford to spare the picks for him now.
WPG cannot match this and keep Laine.

We're trading assets that we'll lose in 1-2 years to re-cooperate these losses.</div></div>

until we know if Suzuki's going to be developed as a RW or Center i wouldnt move Danault
even then i wouldnt move him until Olofsson , Ikonen or Evans takes his spot by earning one in camp .

IMO there's more to be made from doing as we did with Byron , offering him a deal early for 500-750k less then he coulda got on the open market on a 3-5 year deal then trade him 2-3 seasons in for a premium . Danault wont leave , anywhere he goes he'll be a 3rd line Center but in MTL because of the way Claude Julien distributes minutes he'll be a top 6 center for years to come as long as Gallaghers here anyways .

moving Tatar makes sense as we got him as a part of the Pacioretty trade that's already yielded Suzuki,Norlinder and Leguerrier .
moving Tatar for a profit just makes Pacioretty's return way bigger then anyone would have anticipated coming off an down season
(especially if you're bringing in a LW like Connor you've committed to not re-signing Tatar anyways where as Danault still has work to do and value to gain for a higher payout )

Petry makes sense to move with Juulsen and Fleury playing well since turning Pro and Brook ready to turn pro our depth seems surprisingly deep but this is before we even consider Harris who is our Franchise Goalie Prospect Cayden Primeau's Stay at home D 2 years in NCAA helping him go top 10 as a rookie and #1 goalie overall as a Sophmore so he's sure to make a case for a NHL job in 2-3 years so holding back Juulsen at this point is just reckless of MTL after busting Beaulieu and Tinordi

Keeping Armia and Lehkonen both will force us to move one out when Suzuki arrives
i like the concept but i think people keep trying to move Danault forgetting we arent a top 6 vs bottom 6 system
we're a top 9 and 4th line system where even the 4th line is getting 12-14 minutes on average as they're expected to Kill Penalties or are replaced with those who do . (Claude likes having skill/grit on 4th so when injuries happen he can rely on them more until the call up settles into his top 9 role like Seguin in for the Horton injury in 2011 Playoffs where the Merlot line came in key in the conference and stanley cup final ). moving Lehkonen makes more sense then moving Armia but moving Danault makes no sense at all until a 3rd Center shows up and IMO Suzuki's needed more as a RW then a Center in shaw's absence