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Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 6:32 p.m.
Thread: Buh bye
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>How much do you think fans are going to enjoy watching boring hyper defensive hockey?

I know I shouldn't dump on the Bowness hiring before they even play a game but seriously other than bringing back papa Lowry this is one of the worst picks for a coach that Chip/Chev could've made imo. I didn't want Vincent hired but he'd of been a better pick than Bowness.

He's such a strange hire for this team and where it's at, Bowness doesn't seem like the kind of coach you bring in if you're going to do a short retool and move some younger players into the lineup but they're not really built to play his style of game either so is there going to be a bunch of moves to bring in a bunch of defensive minded grinders?.. 🙄

Plus with all the turmoil surrounding the team and unhappy players is hiring a guy like Bowness really going to ease any of that and show these guys a clear direction, I doubt it.

This seems like a 'good ol days' hire by Chipman or that Bowness was one of the few guys willing to come to Winnipeg for what they were offering, its probably a combination of both to be honest.

Can't imagine there'll be too many sellouts at the Canada Life Centre next season to watch boring hockey from a team that's destined for 5th or 6th place in their division, they're really going to need big regression from Minnesota or Nashville(which is possible) if there's going to be any chance of playoffs for this lost in the wilderness organization.</div></div>

I read too much into most things, but I wonder if jets take a swing basically as is possibly a Dillon or Schmidt trade, too open up a spot for lhd kids. In theory if they win a few more in the lost in ot/shootout category they are possibly a wildcard. Bowness is wpgs version of bringing in sutter in cgy. Poor man’s version of it, but possibly run this team out again, and a second round visit is a success, but sitting that much worse in a year. Scared of the fanbase, I’m kinda lost on this one. I would have canned Chevy, brought in trotz with Hamilton from tb, and give them a hashed up effort between the two. Give the bench to trotz for a season, while they figure out roster and leave a door open to president and Hamilton is the other half of the combo. Then have a coach waiting in the wings if it’s a fire sale to grow with next lineup.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 9:38 p.m.
Thread: Buh bye
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Yeah I'm not sure if NJ would consider this but they could probably do worse, they'll still get a decent player with the 14th pick. Think I'd prefer Zacha but didn't feel like a bunch of complaining so took Johnsson instead who could help the Jets trash bottom six and takes some cap from NJ.

Personally if I'm Fitzgerald I keep the pick but this is all hypothetical so thought I'd propose something a bit different than all the same trades that are posted 50 times a day ad nauseum.. lol

Am I the only one who thinks signing Helle at 31 years old can only turn out bad for the Jets??</div></div>
Jets need to sell helly/Dubois/scheifele and anybody else who doesn’t like the direction. They need to start gambling on the 1st rounders after there elc. So custom 3 year elc, then gamble on a 5/8 year contract and sell with a year or two left and repeat. Fanbase enjoys the milestone nights, but would talk about that year for generations, when it all came together and brought the cup home.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 5:27 p.m.
Thread: Buh bye
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Honestly I doubt NJ would do this BUT any of Wright, Slavkovsky, Jiricek or Nemec would likely have a much bigger impact than who they'd get at #14 and arrive in the Jets lineup sooner plus if Helle is traded at say either of the next couple trade deadlines he's only going to get them some teams later 1st round pick and some extras that aren't super valuable.

Also the Jets are likely going nowhere the next couple years and I question if he'll age well, the thought of his next contract doesn't sit well with me.

A top 5 pick will turn this mess around sooner than keeping Helle will.</div></div>
Ya 100 percent agree, devils or Philly pick, I would be all about it, I built one of these a while ago, with the bruins scenario from 15 where the jets acquired 13 and 15, looked interesting, but ya nothing compared to a top 5 pick, and that much talent and team control. Would be huge, take the drama of a Dubois and or a scheifele trade away.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 3:13 p.m.
Thread: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Yes the old Moose were pretty instrumental for the Canucks back then, pretty sure Heisinger was the guy who gave Burrows his shot, they need to utilize that kind of work again to find diamonds in the rough.

That said how many diamonds in the rough have they already found but have either developed poorly or never gave much of a chance to and killed their confidence.</div></div>

Agree, I’ve always questioned some of there loyalty to enstrom and some of the other guys they seem to play no matter what, they seemed to have a disconnect where they would play guys late in year and then not even offer them a contract in the summer, and have kids sitting in the pressbox or stuck on moose. That might be on coach at the time, but I have a feeling that Chevy is way over his head, and a bunch of his success came on scouts good work or just plain luck. Jets make more sense if you get back to the realization that Chevy quite possibly could be an idiot.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 3:06 p.m.
Thread: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Canoehead</b></div><div><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another layer to this would be the duration Bowness wants to stay. If Trotz decides to return to coaching next season I could see a scenario by which Bowness steps aside if the Jets want to pursue Trotz. That wouldn’t happen with a long-term hire. <a href="https://t.co/wZ1mdNF0Vj" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/wZ1mdNF0Vj</a></p>— Sean Reynolds (@snseanreynolds) <a href="https://twitter.com/snseanreynolds/status/1542944884637798400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">July 1, 2022</a></blockquote>



This is an interesting take, though I would attach a very low weight to it.</div></div>

Would be interesting to see what term bowness is on, and if it’s a 1 year swing, and everything not tied down is moved out in next calendar year, a year before they can walk for free. I wonder who they offer up the next big contract to? Or who agrees to it? Scheifele/Dubois/helly
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>One thing I've never understood why they haven't done more of is taking on some guys who need a change of scenery, some former 1st round pick who has fallen out of favor with the team who drafted him, kind of like they did with Svechnikov for example. They should've been doing that for years, in their glory years the Red Wings were the kings of that.

A team based in Winnipeg has some things working against it, you need to find creative advantages anywhere you can.</div></div>
Even the old moose, bieksa was a tiny kid when he got to moose, burrows was a echl player, and not sure about kesler, but moose were pretty key in Canucks run in 11. Some thing has gotten dropped, but moose haven’t developed anything for the jets. Most draftpicks are pretty much instant success or not at all. I thought moose would have been a large strengh for the jets. Let me know if I’m wrong, definitely the right spot to learn about jets hockey.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 2:26 p.m.
Thread: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>People are acting like this is a tragic hiring. The guys a strong structured coach. He’s what the team needs, they couldn’t play defense to save their own life.

No wonder people don’t want to play/coach in Winnipeg when the majority of the fanbase either thinks the team is winning the cup or they’re a dumpster fire. It’s one or the other for most people. They can’t seem to find a bit of patience and see how things unfold.

I’m saving my judgement for after this season coming up. Also did people really think Tocchet was a much better option? It’s not like he’s had a shiny glamorous coaching career either.</div></div>

Imo the only way the jets win, is come to realization that they are tb rays/Oakland A’s of the nhl, got to shelve the loyalty contracts, need to draft and develop, have to find gems in throw aways, and the lowest levels of pro hockey, or random location on earth. They have to stay ahead of the curve basically, defensive structure and trap and whatever else is going to get to a forever bubble adventure. Got to copy what’s going to win next, and that’s all out offense, speed/scoring/ copycat colorado but nobody giving you makar or mackinnon, so bite the bullet now, and bring in a young coach and Develop coach with the rebuild, and sell high. Or push off rebuild for a couple years of first round exit or just miss, then sell lower on your vets. I’m here for your optimism though.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 12:03 p.m.
Thread: Crazy off-season adventure
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jimbo1119</b></div><div>Not sure about the values going to and from here...but if ANA is looking for a deal like this- and Panarin is willing to waive his NMC- NYR have to at least consider. Panarin is a great player- but moving him would gain a ton of CAP flexibility- which could be used to add players to the current lineup who they weren't even previously considering due to CAP restraints AND still have space going forward to avoid the "CAP armageddon" next year - when Miller, LaF, and Chytl all need new deals...not to mention Blais and Krav. And a small yet not insignificant point- Stolarz is EXACTLY who NYR need as a back up to Shest.</div></div>
I believe that panarin wanted ny/la/chicago/Miami type address after colombus, Anaheim is probably about the only spot that could take on that contract full barrel, and possibly have some cheap options to give the rangers the cap freedom going forward. Anaheim might want a little more of a bargain, because they still need the kids to grow into a nucleus, but panarin would be a interesting sidekick to zegras going forward, some filthy mitts anyway.
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