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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:53 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 12:12 p.m.
Thread: Redrafting Vegas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Matt1567</b></div><div>as per bleacher report "All pro players with two or fewer years of NHL experience and unsigned draft picks are protected, but don't count toward the team's final total.", and as of the expansion draft Theodore had played parts of 4 professional seasons, making him eligible to be selected, and since Anaheim chose not to protect him he was available for the taking. The Knight's couldn't have taken Manson, he was protected but as you said it was Mason and Vatanen the ducks were worried about, and Vatanen was left unprotected. Had there not been a side deal, Vatanen likely would've been a golden knight, but drafting the team 7 years later Theodore is the clear choice, and he was eligble to be selected due to his 4 partial professional seasons and being left unprotected, and I didn't make any assumptions that the protection lists would've been different had side deals not been agreed upon.</div></div>

Mason was not protected and Theodore was not available:

https://www.nhl.com/news/protected-list-for-vegas-golden-knights-nhl-expansion-draft-289972722

From that article...

All first- and second-year professionals are <strong>exempt </strong>from selection, as are unsigned draft choices.

The source you quoted calling these guys "protected but not counting towards the team's total" is really strange wording. Much easier to call them exempt, which is what they were. Theodore played 19 games in 15/16 and 34 games in 16/17 for the Ducks prior to the draft. The two seasons he played less than 10 games in the AHL didn't count as his contract slid in those.

An additional part of Murray's bungle here was giving Bieksa, who was washed as a player at that point, a full NMC. All players with such clauses required protecting and that meant the Ducks protected Fowler, Lindholm and Bieksa. Protecting Manson instead of Bieksa would have been an alternate way around trading Theodore but that was not an option.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 10:21 a.m.
Thread: Redrafting Vegas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Matt1567</b></div><div>While he was traded to Vegas, he was not protected for the expansion draft. My guess is that Anaheim chose to use him as a sweetener to convince Vegas to take Clayton Stoner's contract, and would've traded him had Vegas not agreed to take Stoner, that or they would've worked out a different way to protect him, potentially involving a different side deal with Vegas, but in theory Vegas could've selected Theodore, not Stoner, and broke their deal with Anaheim, screwing them over and ruining their GM's reputation on day one.

You could make the assumption that Theodore wouldn't have ended up in Vegas without a side deal, but I didn't and just selected the best player available, which was Theodore</div></div>

Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. The Ducks traded him to Vegas so they would take Stoner as you said, but the two guys they were afraid to lose were Josh Manson and/or Sami Vatanen. Theodore was a side deal and your "rules" in the description was no side deals is all I'm saying. The Knights would have taken Manson in the draft.

This is one of the biggest bungles that Bob Murray ever did as a GM and is one of the primary reasons the Ducks are in the bottom feeder state they are in.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 3:32 p.m.
Thread: Zegras on a heater
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>That’s hilarious because that same BS happens now because Cronin even said he holds Z to a different standard so that is just inaccurate</div></div>

“He can play to a higher standard than most guys can offensively, and that when he competes away from the puck, he just brings his game to a higher level, and I think it’s inspiring for his teammates to see,” Cronin said. “When he does things naturally well offensively, I think it gives guys confidence, and then when he puts the same investment in defensively, he becomes a role model.”

We can let Cronin speak for himself. All of this Anaheim wants to trade Zegras coming out of Montreal and other places where they incidentally would love to add Zegras is such nonsense.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 3 at 4:59 p.m.
Thread: Draft day capital
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>
I can see one obscure scenario where this might happen: Ducks pick third and Celebrini/Levshunov go 1-2, and the two Montreal firsts (2024 and 2025) are the compensation for the move back.</div></div>

Hey, anything can happen. A lot of my thought process on this comes from watching Verbeek conduct the last two drafts. He clearly has his list and will take the top guy on it and that list may not match the consensus that floats around. Carlsson vs Fantilli. Mintyukov at 10. Myatovic so early in the 2nd. Picks like those are what I'm talking about.

The other thing is the last time a top 3 pick was traded that was known to be a top 3 pick was like what, a decade ago? I honestly don't remember other than it was a long time ago.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 3 at 4:50 p.m.
Thread: Draft day capital
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>
Although, I'm suprised with Ducks fan - They have so much talent upfront and on the back end - I would see them make a switch towards getting a "gamer" like Iginla to balance talent with Grit... and getting paid for it. </div></div>

Gamers as you call them are just easier to get. McTavish is one already on the Ducks and we'll see about Gauthier and Gaucher. Just from those three guys I'd say the need for gamers is not any greater than the need for uber talents.

The other point I'd make is that if these trades are "fair value" then the Ducks aren't getting paid to do anything. They are exchanging one asset worth a lot for a collection of smaller assets worth less individually. How is that getting paid?