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Caerii

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Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 5:20 pm
Thread: Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>The benefit of receiving young players/prospects instead of picks is that you've had the opportunity to see them in their D+1 or D+2 or later years, thus reducing the risk of the asset/player/pick busting. Guerin will likely also want for the rebuild to be quick, and waiting 3-4 years to see if a prospect turns out might not be as appealing as getting an NHL ready prospect who can jump into the lineup to replace Bonino.</div></div>

The Wild aren't trying to replace Bonino with Jost or Bowers. He's a 3C playing in the 1C role. We actually have plenty of bottom six players. Again, maybe Guerin likes something about Jost, Bowers or Helleson that I don't, but the value of a 2nd round pick is you have dozens of guys to choose from, and you can get one you like, rather than whatever Colorado has sitting about.

How many of those guys would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 5:11 pm
Thread: Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Like when I trade Bjustad to MIN and you were saying MIN don’t want or need Bjustad ... kick rocks</div></div>

You mean when you were proposing mid round picks for him and the Wild gave up a conditional 7th so they could flip him at the deadline for more?

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CowSaysMoo</b></div><div>What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>Jost/Bowers/Helleson/etc. possibly picks on top of that depending on who MIN is interested in</div></div>

It's completely dependent on what Guerin is looking for. It's possible if he likes those players, but it's more likely he'd rather just pick his own player in the draft. Since Guerin isn't here and I am, I don't see why we would have any interest in any of them. With the 2nd, there's a higher chance you can actually get a player better than Bonino is.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Indeed. There are many ways to find value that matches a 2nd rounder that don't involve a 1st.</div></div>

Sure, but as stated above, it depends on how Guerin feels about those players. How many of them would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 4:55 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 4:28 pm
Thread: Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>That was at 20 and 21 respectively. He also didn't center Panarin the whole season that year. I see a player that is stronger, more mature and put up 10pts in 10 playoff games last year. I'm not even a CBJ fan, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but when a 22 year old, 6'3", 218lb center, who can skate well and just came of a point per game playoff, hits the trade market, the cost inflates. I'm not even saying it's going to be worth whatever someone has to give up to get him, only time will tell, I'm just stating that the going rate is going to be STEEP.</div></div>

10 games sample size is what you're hanging his value on? What happens if he only scores 2 more points in the next 6 games, for 3 points in these first 10 games? Are we going to ignore that sample size because it doesn't fit the narrative and it's too small?

I was a huge fan of Dubois at the draft, and I think he can be a really good player. He's never going to reach the level of MacKinnon, Matthews, Eichel, and I'm not even sure he'll hit Barkov/Scheifele territory. He's being overrated because he's young, was drafted high, and is big. Once you look at what he's actually done, it's clear he's not the player some think he is.