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Armchair-GM
Wed at 5:27 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CowSaysMoo</b></div><div>Everything you have said in this thread is gold. It’s too bad we aren’t the GMs of our respective favorite teams so a deal could get done.</div></div>
Just out of curiosity, have you watched much of Ranta at the U? Because if you're looking at stat lines, look no further than Jack McBain, who, on paper, looks like he's having a breakout year on a good team with 8 points in 10 games, but in reality, is very likely to never even have an NHL career. Similar career stats as well. Would you take McBain right now over a 2nd because of his stat line?
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 5:22 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Who were you referring to in the bit in bold btw? Which player(s) do you think Avs could get with a 2nd that would be a better 3C than Bonino?</div></div>
The *Wild* could use a 2nd round pick to pick a prospect that could be a better player than Bonino is, down the road.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 5:20 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>The benefit of receiving young players/prospects instead of picks is that you've had the opportunity to see them in their D+1 or D+2 or later years, thus reducing the risk of the asset/player/pick busting. Guerin will likely also want for the rebuild to be quick, and waiting 3-4 years to see if a prospect turns out might not be as appealing as getting an NHL ready prospect who can jump into the lineup to replace Bonino.</div></div>
The Wild aren't trying to replace Bonino with Jost or Bowers. He's a 3C playing in the 1C role. We actually have plenty of bottom six players. Again, maybe Guerin likes something about Jost, Bowers or Helleson that I don't, but the value of a 2nd round pick is you have dozens of guys to choose from, and you can get one you like, rather than whatever Colorado has sitting about.
How many of those guys would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 5:11 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Like when I trade Bjustad to MIN and you were saying MIN don’t want or need Bjustad ... kick rocks</div></div>
You mean when you were proposing mid round picks for him and the Wild gave up a conditional 7th so they could flip him at the deadline for more?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CowSaysMoo</b></div><div>What about Sampo Ranta? He is tearing it up this year for the Minnesota Golden Gophers and would be interested in a trade around Bonino and Ranta.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>Jost/Bowers/Helleson/etc. possibly picks on top of that depending on who MIN is interested in</div></div>
It's completely dependent on what Guerin is looking for. It's possible if he likes those players, but it's more likely he'd rather just pick his own player in the draft. Since Guerin isn't here and I am, I don't see why we would have any interest in any of them. With the 2nd, there's a higher chance you can actually get a player better than Bonino is.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Indeed. There are many ways to find value that matches a 2nd rounder that don't involve a 1st.</div></div>
Sure, but as stated above, it depends on how Guerin feels about those players. How many of them would you take over a 2nd round pick right now?
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 5:00 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>They won’t pay a 2021 1st for Bonino
Maybe Jost or Bowers and MIN add</div></div>
There are other teams that are capable of paying the cost. It looks like Colorado will be out of luck on Bonino. The Wild have no interest in adding to obtain Jost or Bowers.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:57 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>come on...</div></div>
See my post above. He's worth around a 2nd, and the Avs don't have one until 2023.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:56 pm
Thread:
Bonino
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>Bonino would be a great for the Avs if we sell IMO. Probably will cost like a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if there's other teams interested</div></div>
3rd isn't enough and the Avs don't have a 2nd. It's not a good fit in that regard.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:55 pm
Thread:
Bonino
2021 1st and he's yours.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:53 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>~60 points as a 20/21/22 year old is very impressive. Top C quality production on a lot of teams, elite 2C on a contender. And this is production on an offensively weak team as well. He'd be the best C MIN has had in years, playing with Kap or Fiala would give him great help (no Panarin wasn't on his line). I'd argue he's a 1C based on solid production and two-way game, but if you're not convinced he certainly will be within the next couple of years.</div></div>
Off the top of my head, Ryan Strome had a 50 point season as a 21 year old, and Ryan Nugent Hopkins averaged 58 per 82 from ages 18 to 22.
Are those guys 1C's?
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:47 pm
Thread:
Compher to SJ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Definitely no to trading a 1st for a bottom 6 forward.</div></div>
Well then it seems to me the Wild will be looking elsewhere to deal Bonino.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:44 pm
Thread:
Compher to SJ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Avs don't have a 2021 2nd. Try again with something Avs do have...</div></div>
Then I guess it's their '21 1st. Oh and you can take out the 4th in that case.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:42 pm
Thread:
Compher to SJ
Replace Ranta with a '21 2nd and you've got yourself a deal.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:41 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>49 in 70 games. then 10 points in 10 games in the playoffs. That's 59 in 80 games. Not really a regression.</div></div>
I'm glad you agree that there's nothing to indicate he's a 1C at this point.
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Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:32 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>Yeah, he did drop to 49 pts.
But you fail to realize his team dropped from 256 goals so 180 goals from 18-19 to 19-20. Ok, they did have quite a bit of injury issues (and this statement in a pretty big euphemism) but still, losing 76 goals is FREAKING HUGE to any team. Plus the season got shortened. He'd be in the 62-63-64-65 pts range if Covid didn't happen.
And yeah you can be a 1C and not be in your prime lol. Do you seriously believe Matthews was in his prime at 19 years of age in 16-17??? Nah he wasn't. Same goes for PLD</div></div>
You can be a 1C and not in your prime, correct. Dubois isn't that.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:28 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>That was at 20 and 21 respectively. He also didn't center Panarin the whole season that year. I see a player that is stronger, more mature and put up 10pts in 10 playoff games last year. I'm not even a CBJ fan, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but when a 22 year old, 6'3", 218lb center, who can skate well and just came of a point per game playoff, hits the trade market, the cost inflates. I'm not even saying it's going to be worth whatever someone has to give up to get him, only time will tell, I'm just stating that the going rate is going to be STEEP.</div></div>
10 games sample size is what you're hanging his value on? What happens if he only scores 2 more points in the next 6 games, for 3 points in these first 10 games? Are we going to ignore that sample size because it doesn't fit the narrative and it's too small?
I was a huge fan of Dubois at the draft, and I think he can be a really good player. He's never going to reach the level of MacKinnon, Matthews, Eichel, and I'm not even sure he'll hit Barkov/Scheifele territory. He's being overrated because he's young, was drafted high, and is big. Once you look at what he's actually done, it's clear he's not the player some think he is.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:26 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>Ah yes, good thing he was only a sophomore at that point lol. He wasn't anywhere near his prime. Now he's got much more maturity</div></div>
Not all players improve exponentially throughout their careers. And as JayTea pointed out, his next season he regressed to 49 points.
You seem to have shifted the goalposts pretty quickly from "he IS a 1C" to "well he hasn't hit his prime yet".
Let's wait for him to give us any kind of evidence that he's a 1C before we declare him one.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:20 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>Except Dubois IS a 1C lol. He's get 70-75 pts with a better offensive team around him</div></div>
He got 61 points playing with a 90 point Panarin and a 40 goal Atkinson (Ryan Strome got 59 points with Panarin, and no one is mistaking Strome as a 1C). Pump the brakes bud. There is nothing you can provide that proves he's a 1C at this point. And his 1 point in 4 games so far aren't doing much to indicate that he's taken the next step. If he needs elite wingers to put up low end 1C numbers, he's not a 1C.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:09 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Dubois is proven and only 22. Rossi++ would be the package to get him back and anyone who thinks otherwise is overvaluing their own players.</div></div>
Oh, value-wise, sure. Reality is a different animal though. Rossi isn't being traded for Dubois. If that's a deal breaker for Columbus, they'll send him elsewhere. I can guarantee you, if Dubois ends up in Minnesota, Rossi will still be here.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 4:04 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>yes, teams trade 9th overall picks for 22 year old #1Cs if they are available.</div></div>
Well this isn't really relevant is it, considering Dubois isn't a 1C and Rossi isn't your average 9th overall pick. It was a good attempt to oversimplify the situation to fit your narrative though. Nice try.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 3:49 pm
Thread:
Dubois Minnesota
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>Rossi.</div></div>
There is zero chance a Dubois deal returns Rossi or another prospect like Rossi. Teams do not trade those, and there is no point for the Wild to do so.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 2:31 pm
Thread:
LW versus
Fiala is a RW, I don't know if that matters at all
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 2:23 pm
Thread:
Rank these divisional young guns lines
What was the criteria for your choices? Did you pick these players for specific reasons, or did you just pick 3 random younger players at random?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 2:19 pm
Thread:
Minn
That's not remotely desirable for Dumba. I have no idea why the Rangers would want him, but it would almost certainly involve Kravtsov+ or the 1st+, if not Chytil+. Strome could possibly be involved if he was how the Rangers choose to shed their cap space, but as the center piece he doesn't get it done.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 12:42 pm
Thread:
Is PLD a Diva
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Habs4ever</b></div><div>he is not. He is so blue collar worker. He wants to be the best and wants to be a good teammate. From PeeWee until a year ago, you never once heard any negative issues with PLD. He simply wants out of Columbus, just like Panarin, Bob, Duchene etc. The GM is a good guy but its the head coach they all want to get away from</div></div>
Diva's have an inflated ego and an inflated sense of self, they want the spotlight on them, they think they're the best. Working hard and being a diva are not mutually exclusive traits. I'm not saying he's a diva, I don't know him well enough, but just because someone is a diva doesn't mean they're lazy or entitled.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed at 12:31 pm
Thread:
Is PLD a Diva
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>I find it hilarious when people call hockey players divas, especially ones at the top level of the game.</div></div>
I find it hilarious that people think diva means lazy.
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