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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Montreal fans are going to pull your head off.

But seriously, why would Montreal trade #5?</div></div>

Wind, you are right, Mtl will not give up #5 and as you say, why? But in saying that, many of their supporters believe all the players on the Mtl roster are Beliveau, Lafleur talent level. Most would keep all the good pieces and trade only the players that actually are of no help to the other team (really, one sided deals). My understanding of how a trade works, its suppose to be a "win/win " for both teams.

But in my opinion, if trade discussions in the real world world are happening as they are in here, I hope the Jets take a "strong pass away from Canadien talks" and turn to other teams, such as Carolina. I believe if the Hurricanes lose out to Florida shortly, PLD could be the missing piece that could help get them to the next stage. Checking on their roster there are RD's, young prospects, draft pick(s) that would interest the Jets. Just saying!!!!
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19 at 8:13 a.m.
Thread: Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>That's real,<em> real</em> bad for the Leafs.

36 y/o Blake Wheeler who's been a key leadership member in the most publicly dysfunctional locker room for years now

PLD who it seems has already decided he's going to play for the Habs at the earliest opportunity (season after next after accepting his QO)

And Dylan Demelo, who I think is a nice little underrated Dman, but is a rental, 30 years old, and not nearly the caliber of player that makes a package like this enticing.

There's just nothing here to get the Leafs to entertain the conversation.</div></div>


No problem, carry on. Leaf nation is really bitter this playoff season.

Just so you know Marner is overhyped, overpaid and will not be a "fit" with many teams including the Jets (most publicly dysfunctional locker room) as you call it.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMay 15 at 5:36 p.m.
Thread: Elliotte Friedmans report of what Winnipeg wants
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ReadyToGetFlamed</b></div><div>Read the title, this is literally a report from Elliot Friedman of what Winnipeg is asking Montreal for, a young good puck moving Defensemen, like Harris (which is the example Elliot gave) and the Florida first.</div></div>

So, let's see this is now... The 1st round Florida pick was the 17th pick before Florida was winning in the playoff rounds... now it has become the 30th pick in the 1st round... Wow, what deal for the Canadiens!!! Far from fair deal for the Jets.

So, I'm assuming that Mtl is working with someone to move their 5th pick to the 8th to 12th spot for themselves and getting that 17th pick for Wpg as a portion of the PLD trade... or are they thinking, well that 30th pick is what it is now and a part of the PLD deal, but does need an add on, so lets add the 2nd round pick (37th) plus that puck moving defenceman they want (Justin Barron) &amp; let's return Johnathan Kovacevie to the Jets.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 4:19 p.m.
Thread: Little change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>darksupera12</b></div><div>Honestly, every time a player probably doesnt resign. They lose alot of value. Ik samsanov is not as good. But he still played lights out for most of the season + playoffs. I think robertson + first works well and other B tier prospects. Honestly wouldnt mind trading lilly + robertson + first + sammy.</div></div>

As i said to another Leaf supporter, you folks are truly in a "world of hurt".

If you are interested in Helly, come to the table with a reasonable offer, the difference is massive. Sammy is a start, but far from what you think gets a completed deal... the other players you offered, great for our AHL team, but for the Jets, far from it.

Please look at it with some thought, starting with paying Helly his full salary, then look at the Leaf roster of 3 guys over 10M and 2 - 4 guys in the 7M bracket (include O'Reilly in that number) &amp; then you have the rest of the roster... so who is left to trade or offer other teams...
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 14 at 9:18 p.m.
Thread: Run it back w Helleybuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Drew402</b></div><div>Haha. we leafs fan are used to the world of hurt. Its not about my personal belief, though I have experience living here. Its been documented that the Jets team is among the top ranked teams on players no trade clause lists. https://www.espn.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post/_/id/9006. You don't think some of the highest taxes in the country, a long winter that reaches upwards of -50 with windchill, a place with relatively terrible nightlife and entertainment, high crime/suicide rates has something to do with it? Don't get me wrong. Great place in the offseason if you're into cabin country and golf, but you can get that anywhere.

Now, as per a reconsideration, I'm totally open. You agree Chevy won't let Helley walk for nothing? Lets say we take away the third round pick. Is that fair? What do you propose Jets receive? I don't agree Helley for Samsonov is an equal trade. Jets could use some promising prospects that could flourish if given the right amount of ice time no?</div></div>

Yep, no kidding you and other Leaf fans are in a world of hurt..... Dating back to 1967, I too was a true Leaf fan at the time, The Big M was everything, including many of those guys on that team.... And then I began to see what folks in the "Big Smoke" were clearly about. But, say what you want about our province and city, GTA has its issues as well... I have spent limited amounts of time there for business purpose, but enough time to get an opinion and all I will say, get me home, please. Just my opinion and I respect your opinion, but you need to live it here to understand...

Perhaps you may want to reconsider again... removing the 3rd really is no improvement... Your offering of Timmins and Robertson, what do they bring to the Jets? Do these two guys make or help the Jets or are they Moose players.... I have my concerns and can't see that as a benefit... Last, now we are down to the goal keepers... I don't believe your keeper can't play 50 - 60 games, or in the Vezina running... I honestly believe you need to revisit and think about your offering to Wpg? I see that you do know your hockey and truly agree with many of your moves for the Leafs minus the Jets stuff... Yes, stay away from Barbashev, he should be a future Jet.... lol
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMay 14 at 8:33 p.m.
Thread: An objectively fair deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caufeel</b></div><div>Well, realistically Montreal probably won't competitive next year so the idea of trading valuable assets (like 1st rnd picks / high prospects) at the deadline makes no sense for them. There's probably a team out there who would offer much more to get him as a rental for a playoffs plush.

For me the only way Mtl gets him is when he becomes UFA. That's why I don't see them offering more than a late first (FLA pick) + an okay player like Dvorak and a B prospect like Kidney. Then WPG probably says no and try to get more, but it makes no sense from MTL standpoint to give up more than that.</div></div>

Thanks for clearing that up for me... I appreciate your response and explanation... Enjoy and good luck to the Canadiens!!!
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsMay 14 at 1:01 p.m.
Thread: An objectively fair deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caufeel</b></div><div>Hmm my opinion has literally zero impact on the organization or the position they are sitting in.

But nobody is giving that much value for PLD, even if he was signed for 8 years at a decent price. At the moment is a RFA one year away from being a UFA, he seems to want to come play for Mtl (or at least get out of Winnipeg), and he'll be looking to get probably around 9M$.

He's absolutely not worth 2 1st round pick (especially with the 2024 probably being a top10 again) + the 37th pick this year, plus a young promising D, and a good prospect like Beck.

There's literally 0 chance that Montreal give that much for a player like PLD lol. He's very good, but he has massive flaws in his game.</div></div>

Fair enough, but being a voice/sounding board of the Montreal fan base and there are enough of you that provide that message (chat lines such as here and direct messaging to the Habs), what is a fair offer/value or return to Wpg at the trade deadline? Now be fair!!!
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1 at 5:26 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 28 at 6:40 p.m.
Thread: Change up the squad
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HabsAreSus</b></div><div>Darn! Guess he'll come for free in another year!</div></div>

Well, there is the situation if you wait &amp; snooze , you may loose out on having a Beliveau type player in PLD. You guys are of to a good start with a Pocket Rocket type in Suzuki, but hoping (Dach develops into PLD) is risky. If you move at draft night and get PLD, you know exactly what you are getting at a very young age and fast advancing your future goal of a Cup showdown. Sorry, Dach is no where near PLD, however you want to slice it. The Jets don't want to loose PLD, but if it becomes out of control and he wants to leave, so be it.

So, a trade involving Dach, Barron, Kidney or Beck and Florida's 1st round pick for PLD is a reasonable ask/request. Wpg is dealing with lots of future unknowns with this type of transaction. Yes, Wpg potential is upside, but a very excellent player is going to the Habs.

Whenever it comes to trades or player movement, the parties involved need to come out in a WIN/WIN situation......
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27 at 1:01 p.m.
Thread: Lets go
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boojets</b></div><div>Pionk is hurting the jets right now. He isn't a break even player right now he's a net negative and I'm not giving him away I'm getting 2 picks and his cap space which is almost 6mil. Not having Pionk in the lineup right now helps the jets.</div></div>

I've been reading the discussions with Windjammer.

Well, moving Pionk is definitely the wrong move right now (rather than get into a back and forth, lets just leave it), but he's still required on the point, 2nd pwr play group and the pairing with Dillon.

Overall, I'm concerned with the size of the Jets D and the passion for Heinola. If anyone should be moved its Heinola immediately as a trade asset. Soon after that, adding short term help as in one (1) R side D-men with size as in (Van's- Scheen, St. Louis's -Bortuzzo or Islanders -Mayfield) and keeping DeMelo and Pionk and moving Schmidlt for a late pick so be a consideration. Longer term, we need to add some size starting with the right side, either from the prospect pool or making that trade, when the fit is there.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26 at 4:29 p.m.
Thread: eazy duz it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Benzino204</b></div><div>Schmidt's bad contract is off the books, and Wheeler's contract would be gone as well; leaving 14.2 million. Add another 6.9 to that with Demelo, and Dillon's contracts expiring. So there is 20 million. They could easily extend Scheifele, PLD, if he stays, and Hellebuyck, with a Meier extension.

And that is based on this year's cap; which will increase by a million next year, and more after that.</div></div>


But, be wise here.... Don't run into the situation Edmonton &amp; Toronto have with high end contracts with a few guys. Spread the salary throughout the roster, such as Boston... Sorry, as much as I would like Meier on the team, we got to look after our guys that we want first and restock with youth and affordable experience at the right time... Deal with your head and not with your heart in this situation...
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26 at 11:10 a.m.
Thread: Jets Cup Run
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>I like the thought of adding Toews but as others have said that's a steep price, would try to keep it at a 2nd,3rd/B-prospect and if that's not enough then walk away.

Harkins has almost zero value, the Ducks will be wanting a 3rd or 4th round pick for Kulikov, funny how Kulikov has been decent since moving on from the Jets/Maurice&amp;Kompon 💩💩 show.. 😆

<strong>Really think they need another top 4 dman and preferably at least a #2 type dman if they want to make some noise in the playoffs, that just doesn't look like a defense of a cup winner to me.</strong></div></div>


Agree with this comment... Really didn't like what I saw in the Nashville game, were #2 and #4 on our Defense was being manhandled in our end by the Nashville forwards.. It's playoff hockey starting already with some of these teams that are behind.

Two immediate things for me: the Jets need to have a understanding to the direction that PLD is going, sooner than later and those potential assets used wisely. The Wheeler contract needs to be game planned and what will be happening over the next year and half (8.25 ml for another year beyond this season, is a big ouch!!!). Chevy has made some good moves/choices in the past, I believe these things will be addressed as they are required.

So, just a follow-up to my opening comment, which is a big ask: the Jets need a Right D-man with size in the 6-1 to 6-5 range with a bit of edge, plays the stay home game along side #44... Suggestions: short term (Van's #2, St. Louis's #41) &amp; longer term: Edm's #5, Seattle's #6, Canes # 22 and our own prospect pool of Lundmark, Salomonsson &amp; Chisholm. If this could happen, my hope is that one of current right side guys (#88) is moved, Heinola definitely shouldn't be in the future plans...