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ChiHawk

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Forum: Armchair-GM2 hours ago
Thread: 2016 Kessel trade on steroids
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Radu47</b></div><div>He might be the best combination of playmaking and finishing (still nah tho) but I can think of many better playmakers from the past 15 years like...

Backstrom there ^
Sid
Geno
Barzal
Joey Thornts
Henrik Sedin
Getzlaf
Connor McDavid naturally
Foppa
Datsyuk
Mario was technically active 15 years ago lol 🤷‍♂️

😐</div></div>

If we look at assists per game played, Kane is #32 all-time. Among active players only behind McDavid, Malkin, Crosby, Backstrom, and Panarin; Thornton is not far behind. Assists alone doesn't tell the whole story but it's a good starting point.

If we look at adjusted assists all-time Kane is #25 and among active players, Kane is #3 only behind Crosby and Thornton.

Now departure from stats which gives a good indication but not the full story, Kane is the most creative playmaker in the last 15 years. He literally changed the way scouts and coaches view size, creativeness, puck handling abilities, and being able to create something from nothing (playmaker). (McDavid and Matthews are doing that in this generation). Very few players are generational talents like Crosby, Kane, Ovy, etc. for different reasons as their games all very. I guess it boils down to what one's definition of playmaking is?

If you add to the fact he never had a dynamic duo on line with consistency for most of his career I'd argue Kane is in the discussion for the most effective playmaker in during that time. Example: Kane has played with 18 different centers in the league, most of which are average at best when he played with them...that puts a lot into perspective. On the opposite wing the biggest name he played with at any consistency was Panarin for 2 seasons, but outside of that nobody was consistent. Coach Q and now JC like(d) to pair Kane up with either budding stars to jump start their careers (Panarin, Debrincat), or average players to elevate their effectiveness.

Obviously Crosby is better then Kane as example, but is he a better playmaker when considering what I shared? Is Thornton? Hard to answer objectively but see objective arguments can be made for all these top guys over the last 15 years.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: 2016 Kessel trade on steroids
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NoVaSpartan</b></div><div>I'd rather not make this trade. I don't see it being worthwhile to trade the amount they would need to get Kane, and I don't see him being enough of an upgrade to justify it. If they did, I would think they send CMM instead of Lapierre, but overall I don't see it being super beneficial. Add to that the news that players such as Kane probably knew about the ****show going on in Chicago with Aldrich, and I don't think they touch that since there could be repercussions for it.

As for the Steel trade, I doubt the Ducks are looking to move him at this time.



Contrary to many other Caps fans, I actually think Kane and Ovi on a line wouldn't be that good, as that line needs some grit that WIlson brings, and in my opinion Kane would take goals away from Ovi.</div></div>

Kane, while still a elite goal scorer, has always been a better setup man. As an example, Kubalik and Debrincat aren't what they are without playing a decent amount with Kane on the other wing. Ovy is maybe the best all-time goal scorer, Kane one of the best all-time creative playmakers those two together would be lights out and while not enough grit or defense, hard to stop them in the offensive zone. That said, I get your point as well, at least on the PP those two together would be unstoppable with someone else assisting them in front of the net.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: complete tear down
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>It's not what he's worth, it's what we can give up at this stage of rebuild. I DEFINITELY think he's worth a top 5-10, maybe say top 3 protected then? This draft is just too good, so Detroit can't afford to pass on one of those top 3 picks, even for a former top 3 pick, who is very good.</div></div>

I get what you're saying but outside of Wright, there isn't one player in the draft that I would say is a sure bet better player then what Dach has shown....it's a gamble outside of Wright.

If Chicago does a complete teardown rebuild, there is not a chance they move Dach or Debrincat obviously unless it's a massive overypay; no way does Chicago go into a crap shoot draft pick for Dach a bonafide entity. I'd even argue Kubalik still being rather young and being a top 20 goal scorer as far as goals per game in the league today.
Forum: Armchair-GM3 hours ago
Thread: What they need to do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Kubalik is a fine player, but a Foote/Kuokkanen package should be able to get some solid wingers, especially if we are wiling to eat salary.</div></div>

Kubs is one of the top 20 shooters and goal scorers in the league, and defensively good. Kubs is more then a fine player and more then a solid winger...the guy is a stud as a winger....very few players have outpaced his goals per games played at 0.384.

The only active players with a better gpg rate are...
1. Alex Ovechkin 0.613
2. Auston Matthews 0.592
3. Steven Stamkos 0.522
4. Connor McDavid 0.488
5. Ilya Kovalchuk 0.478
6. Sidney Crosby 0.468
7. David Pastrnak 0.457
8. Evgeni Malkin 0.451
9. Nikita Kucherov 0.429
10. Leon Draisaitl 0.420
11. John Tavares 0.416
12. Alex Debrincat .414
13. Vladimir Tarasenko 0.412
14. Brad Marchand 0.400

That's some very elite company. I get Kubalik flies under the radar and not as well noted as the other names on the list, but eye opening isn't it?
Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Thread: complete tear down
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DeadWingsv2</b></div><div>Detroit needs to see where they are in the standings. Make it a top 5 protected pick and we probably make that deal for Dach.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMarch</b></div><div>DET would probably take that trade, especially if it's made in season. You'd be banking on the hope that Dach improves the middle enough to drive up the win totals, which would make that pick down into the 10s. Dach is easily worth a 10-20 pick, especially because you know who he is, and you throw out the crapshoot.</div></div>

Wait, so you think Dach is only worth a 10 to 20 pick? Are you on drugs? Dach was 3rd OA in 2019 and arguably he and hughes as of today would be fighting for the #1 OA pick if the draft were to happen again. In what world do you not think Dach is not worth a top 5 pick PLUS given that he's a known NHL player now with no risk, 20 years old on a ELC, and playing lights out so far this season as probably the best Hawk on the roster maybe only behind Debrincat?
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Bowman Fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Ya I haven’t read it and probably won’t. Hopefully something good will end up coming from it after it is all said and done.</div></div>

In case you want to read it...

https://jenner.com/system/assets/assets/11549/original/Report%20to%20the%20Chicago%20Blackhawks%20Hockey%20Team%20-%20October%202021.pdf

I really hope so to. There was 3 different stories from the night of the incident, John Doe's, Aldrich, and the woman and they all vary which to me sounds very strange. There is no doubt something illegal happen but how much John Doe was accountable to his own demise or not is what is not clear. Were drugs involved...possibly. Was being a stupid 20 year like many of us were at the age...likely. Regardless, the Hawks handled this terribly. I truly hope John Doe is able to move on from this, and it does take a lot of courage to come out about it. I truly hope Aldrich heads back to jail as well some way somehow despite the statue of limitations.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Pens Blackhawks MAF trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LetsGoPens69</b></div><div>Sure, like I said, it’s a big contract off the books. I doubt he goes to Toronto or anywhere in Canada. Move his family from the states during this time. I doubt it. But maybe. I obviously have no clue what teams are on his list.

And Yes, I’m sure he’d be open to Vegas. But could Vegas fit him under the cap without moving out a contract too. Will be interesting at least to see if he moves and what for.

And anything can happen in the 1st 10 games of an NHL season. I wouldn’t say the sky is falling in Chicago just yet either.</div></div>

It's pretty bad in Chicago right now especially with the added issues off the ice coming out today and basically most of the front office fired. I'm on board with the Hawks moving any of the older players out including Toews, Kane, Fleury, etc. bringing in a new coach and rebuilding from scratch. This team has been mismanaged since Bowman took over. Mike Smith and Tallon built the core of the cup winning team that became arguably the best team of last decade, Bowman inherited it. Since 2017, when it was clear the Hawks needed to either rebuild or a major retooling, Bowman continued to grasp on to playoff dreams and a cup trying to retool with washed up vets. He was a horrible GM (see the Panarin trade, Teuvo trade, S Jones trade, etc.) and his inability to force to the organization to deal with sexual assault issue just further demonstrates that.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Pens Blackhawks MAF trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LetsGoPens69</b></div><div>MAF has a NTC too, remember.?? So moving MAF to just any team, for something interesting(like u said) isn’t likely unless he’s ok with it(or the teams on his list). So getting Zucker at 4.5M might be win.

Or just let him walk/retire this offseason and get the cap relief would actually be a win too. It’s a big contract off the books.</div></div>

Well his contract comes off the books anyway which was always the plan as the Hawks are headed into cap trouble next offseason. Which again, is why the Hawks can't take on $4.5M with the risk of it carrying over to next season. Flowers does have a NTC but I'm sure he would waive for Vegas (Lehner could get injured), Pens and maybe MTL (hometown if they surprise everyone and make it) or even Toronto. I'm sure he's got a list but it's probably not just the Pens.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Bowman Fired
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Ya the whole thing is messed up for sure, probably too much time on my hands, but trying to guess who Jon doe is, would it be skille? Or more of a nhl player going forward, that was quite a youthful lineup in 10, too bad such a mess.</div></div>

No, the player was 20 years old at the time and never made it to the NHL, only as a Black Ace (call up in case of injury) and there were only 2 possible players that fit that age description Shawn Lalonde and Kyle Beach on the AHL Rockford Icehogs. I remember Kyle Beach being called up as a Black Ace but don't recall Shawn Lalonde. The John Doe was also a fighter on the ice and that also fits the type of player Beach was. Very sad story as he was a former #11 OA pick and was expected to be a NHL career player.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: Pens Blackhawks MAF trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LetsGoPens69</b></div><div>Ya, i agree. If u read the description. The Pens can’t take MAF without moving a contract back. Even at 50% retention. So all these ACGM with Chicago trading MAF to the Pens for draft picks won’t work without the Pens moving a contract out too.

And like the description said, the Blackhawks can try and flip Zucker at 4.5M to a contender at the TD, trade him in the offseason, or keep him and if they arnt contending next season, trade him at the deadline.

And flip DeSmith to a contender too. Getting a 3rd team involved might be a better option.

But like I said in the description, either way, DeSmith’s contract is expiring and Blackhawks atleast gain that cap space this offseason.

I added Gruden and a 5th for Gustafson(rental). But like I said, in my opinion, Zucker at 4.5M should be able to be flipped to a contender at the TD, this offseason, or next season if the Hawks arnt contending for atleast a 2nd round pick.</div></div>

I did read the description and also understand the cap situation, but one trade doesn't have exist on it's own. Multiple trades can happen for the pens. The bottom line, the Hawks aren't getting anything of real value here and no, the Hawks aren't relieving cap space in this trade, they are taking on more going into next season.

Hawks don't need to flip anyone is my point, you basically are suggesting the Hawks don't have options at the TDL with only the Pens wanting Flowers and as such take on the responsibility of moving cap for the Pens; I don't buy that. Flowers is marketable as an asset to a playoff contender and Hawks will get offers that amount to a 2nd round pick or better and maybe have to take on an expiring contract but not additive cap beyond the season unless they see the player coming back having on ice value for the team. I can't see that with Zucker going on 30 years old for a Hawks team in complete meltdown mode and the Hawks up against the cap next year; Zucker at $4.5M is just not a luxury they can afford.

A 3 team trade may be doable but again, Hawks would expect to get a 2nd or better back for Flowers without taking on additive cap beyond the current season.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 hours ago
Thread: Next season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks33</b></div><div>Retaining for 8 years after this year lol.

I would expect Jones to improve after more than like 5 games with a new team. The team is very new this year for everyone. Toews, Dach, Jones and Fleury are all important guys and it can sometimes take a while for everyone to settle into their roles. Strictly talking about the on ice performance, from the outside it seems like it's a bit of an overreaction. It's been bad but nothing good comes from drastic moves based on a 5 game sample size.</div></div>

Yeah I agree with that in part. The Hawks will figure things out and not be dead last in the league but there is certainly reason to suspect he coach is part of the problem. With Bowman gone, the coach is likely on a short leash over the coming 10 to 15 games. If they only win a few, he's likely out as well. Bowman, as we all know, was terrible at bringing the right people into the organization from players to coaches.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago