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Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago
Thread: Spitballing with the Jets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>I still think we're better off with the guys we have. Trading kieth makes our LD even worse, and unless he asked for a trade to WPG, probably wouldn't go over well with Toews and Kane eigther</div></div>

Keith is a bit a lone soldier and always has been pretty much. I don't think it would phase Kane and Toews much understanding it's a business and his ties to the Jets. Keith is clearly not enamored with the new system JC is pushing on defense and pretty blantantly disregards it. Now, getting that "stuff" out of the way and getting down to actual impact, the bigger concern is it does weaken our left side of the defense for now and there is no question about it. However, also puts Sanderson potentially in play in the draft and as we all know, we do not have a clear #1 on the left side today (Keith is not it anymore) nor do we have a prospect that is slotted for the #1 job as Beaudin, Vlasic, Carlsson and Kalynuk are all bottom 2 line guys.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 4:18 pm
Thread: Spitballing with the Jets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Not a fan of it for the hawks. Kieth won't waive first of all, but we'll assume he would for the sake of the post. Strome+Cat for Ehnlers+Roslovic majorily favors WPG in my opinion. I don't see the sense in the hawks doing this. Ehlers is a mior upgrade over cat and Strome to roslovic is a large downgrade. Then it's Vesalinen+moving up 5 spots in the draft for Kieth (with 1 mil retention for 3 years).Kieth won't waive, but we are better off keeping him as a mentor to the young guys anyways. He's a lot better and has a lot more expierience than Dehaan and Maata, and the cost is only 1 mil more (it's even if you take into account the retention). I think we are better off keeping Cat and Strome, but if one has to go it should be strome for another roster player. Maybe we use strome to get another 1st and then send it to tampa in a package for Sergachev? then you would buyout/trade maata and dump dehaan wherever you can. Idk if that would work or not but I think that's more along the path we should be on then the one presented in this trade imo.</div></div>

I disagree on Keith waiving. The one place he would waive is Winnepeg to go back home where his kids are since he keeps a home there and goes there for the offseason.

I agree on Ehlers and Rosolovic favors the Jets over Debrincat and Strome; wasn't looking at it that way. Ehlers, Vasalainen for Debrincat and Keith and Rosolovic plus moving up 7 spots in the draft for Strome is how I was looking at it.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 4:14 pm
Thread: Spitballing with the Jets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jdawg</b></div><div>Roslovic is playing sheltered minutes in a deep Winnipeg forward group where he wasn’t being looked to as a primary scoring option. He’s also developed a stellar two way game and has improved steadily. Strome is obviously the better player right now but far more inconsistent. I certainly don’t think the gap between them justifies giving up ehlers and vesalainen for debtincat and Keith AND moving down in the draft</div></div>

A deep winger group, not deep forward group. Jets have a major hole at the center position and roslovic isn't good enough to fill it despite being drafted as a center. Strome was drafted the #3OA in 2015, the same year Roslovic was drafted #26OA...that's a big gap in draft positions and nothing Roslovic has done thus far suggests that gap has closed. Alternatively, Strome in his young career since joining the blackhawks has put up .77ppg after being mismanaged by Arizona as most of us know. Roslovic is at .37ppg; yes there is a really big gap between the two players. To give an idea of how bad the trade gap is, if the Jets wanted just Strome and wanted to move Roslovic as part of the package, the Jets would have to include a 1st round pick just to entice the Hawks to have any interest.

Regarding time on ice, in case you're interested, Strome averaged exactly 1 minute more per game this season then Rosolovic
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 3:21 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:44 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 2:04 pm
Thread: Realistically what the Jets will do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>I’d be using Vesalainen, Niku and Roslovic to acquire a 2C. Like, not sure what CHI would want for strome, but he’s a viable option, I just think they should try and pull the trigger on a Vesalainen + Roslovic + 2021 1st package to get a 2C with term. Maybe tampa takes that for Cirelli. Harkins copp and Lowry becomes your 3rd line, Appleton perreault and Gustafsson your 4th line and you’re set. I hate that Chevy is so patient cause we likely won’t see him make any sort of splash :/</div></div>

The problem with this is you're moving above average prospects (Vesalainen, Niku, Roslovic) who haven't shown they are going to reach their potential pre draft and expecting a legitimate young 2C to come back in Strome or Cerelli. Classic case of quantity over quality. For example the Hawks wouldn't move Strome even if all 3 of those pieces were included as they are all crap shoots and Strome at 23 years old has proven himself with good upside.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:59 pm
Thread: Realistically what the Jets will do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PatrikLaine</b></div><div>Well I don't see the Jets moving major pieces of the core, for the reason that the Jets have 2 budding young D prospects who will be pro ready within the next 2 seasons (Samberg and Heinola) and with the cap space that opened up, you can give Laine an extension and put a temporary filler in on defense while also finding a 2C</div></div>

I don't know, if I'm the Jets and because of Laine's contract who I would not trade unless a serious overpayment for him, I think the Jets should consider moving Ehlers or Connor for a top 4 D and legitimate 2C which isn't going to come cheap (not a back fill like Eakin). I think those two holes are bigger to fill then making 1 hole on wing. Wingers are the easiest position to fill in the league.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:48 pm
Thread: Have you seen enough Pietrangelo yet No never
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>2nd pair D plus rental 2nd line W plus project player + 1st for 24 year old 37g/71pts (on pace for without covid) winger that can play C. Leafs can add a bit if you want - take one of or even both of Kerfoot and Johnsson if needed</div></div>

LMAO you aren't even close and comical you talk about adding Johnsson or Kerfoot who have negative value to the Hawks...they are cap dumps as far as the Hawks are concerned. If this is an honest proposal and not a troll job, please keep Nylander because there is not a chance in hell the Hawks accept.

Let me help you out...
Murphy = late 1st (plus decent prospect)
Saad = late 1st (at 1/2 retained plus decent prospect)
A Nylander = 2nd rounder

So what you've proposed is:
Nylander = (3) 1st round picks including the #17 overall, a 2nd round pick and a 3rd

You've got to be out of your mind if you honestly think Nylander is worth that.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:42 pm
Thread: Realistically what the Jets will do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tsyls</b></div><div>Unfortunately with Chevy as our gm this is likely what happens, but imo they’ll give copp the chance at 2C over eakin, he likely won’t be resigned unless it’s like 1x1.5. Chevy is super patient and won’t go out and make a big splash so it’s likely this is right. It sucks but that’s just the way it is. Also, Laine isn’t taking 8x8, if he does I’d cry with tears of joy LOL that’s a steal. I’m fine with 8x9.5 or 7x9. DeMelo likely gets 2.5 on a 2 year deal. I think he did a fairly good job with accurately predicting the offseason. Hamonic likely isn’t a 1RD but it seems accurate as to what Chevy would do lol.</div></div>

Laine will definitely cost around $9.5M even in a flat cap world. Winnepeg really needs to move one of their top 6 wingers for a top 4 defensive guy and 2C. That would provide better impact and what they need to really compete. I don't think the Jets are that far away from making a run.

As an example, bring home a championship caliber player like Keith with an A on his chest and add a 2nd line center like Strome, and this team would hands down be better. It's about the only place I see Keith waiving for simply to be closer to his family but unlikely the Hawks trade him or Strome for that matter despite twitter rumors.
Forum: Armchair-GMSat at 1:06 pm
Thread: Random Ideas NOT realistic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Meeqs</b></div><div>Again Saads value then =/ Saads value now. This will be the lowest his value is as in the offseason there are no cap constraints, teams don't know where they stand next year and there will be plenty of other options out there.

If Chi can pull of a 1st for him then thats great, but in this environment, especially with him being overpaid, I wouldn't expect it</div></div>

How is Saad overpaid? He was on pace for 30 goals in the regular season, is built for the post season with over .5 ppg in his post season career and demonstrated that yet again this post season.

Two reasons people on here or elsewhere knock Saad:
1) He will never live up to the trade the Hawks made with Panarin. It was one of the worst trades in recent hockey memory and although not Saad's fault, he carries that with his name.
2) Saad was fighting injuries 2 years ago and didn't have a good season and for some reason, especially around here, people think he's overpaid.

Bottom line, the guy is a top 20 two way winger. I'd hate for the Hawks to lose him and hope they can extend him as such but too many rumors swirling about Saad potentially getting traded this year. I agree his value at the TDL is a 1st and 3rd not right now though.