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Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
Pens 24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Acciari probably has more value than that but can't see the Hawks trading for yet another bottom 6 forward.</div></div>
Or give up a prospect for a 33 year old
Forum:
Armchair-GM
7 hours ago
Thread:
Norris out just having fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DangleCat</b></div><div>I would hate to see Rads go after hearing all about how close him and Bedard are, but I think Norris is a shot worth taking.</div></div>
True but the big question is can Norris stay healthy. 50 to 60 games a year at a almost $8M cap hit isn't ideal obviously.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
step back and retool
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Snowhawk18</b></div><div>Wahlstrom is a bust, Hawks would have no interest.
If you want to trade Palmeiri to Chicago, they would gladly take the same deal as last offseason for Bailey:
Palmeiri and the Islanders 2025 2nd round pick to Chicago
FC to the Islanders.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>That's fine. Go sell him to another team then. CHI certainly isn't buying him.</div></div>
I don't know honestly about this. I think the Hawks could take Palmeiri for free to retain half and trade at the next year's TDL. At $2.7M, he would garner something back at the TDL IMO, maybe a 2nd or 3rd so it's almost like free assets.
I agree though, that Wahlstrom is a bust, but maybe sign him for $900K and help Rockford out.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 5:45 p.m.
Thread:
2425 Leafers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>Sure, <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=TOR&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2023-10-10&td=2024-04-18&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8481582&p2=8479318&p3=8478483&p4=8477939&p5=8475166" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">let me know what I'm missing</a> because the actual data suggests that Robertson doesn't play with AM/JT/MM/NY a lot. Of the four, the most he's with is JT at 80 minutes all season and....is worse with him than without? If you want to be obnoxiously specific, Robertson <em>has</em> played with the top four forwards, but based on the TOI it's basically negligible. And even when he's been put with them, it doesn't provide any evidence it's actually boosted his production. Entirely plausible he'd get more goals and assists with them, but that's not what has happened this season which is what you were implying.
We can look at Kurashev next, whose<a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=CHI&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2023-10-10&td=2024-04-18&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8480798&p2=8484144&p3=8477450&p4=8474870&p5=8473422" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">most common linemate</a> is Bedard. <a href="https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20232024&thruseason=20232024&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=CHI&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2023-10-10&td=2024-04-18&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8484144&p2=8480798&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Narrowing it down</a>, he's played more with Bedard than with anyone else. The values also imply he's not only been significantly less productive without Bedard than with, they've been pretty bad together in general. Maybe that's just consequence of the Blackhawks overall season. Regardless, he's absolutely been strapped to Bedard this season.
So my original post still stands. The "Leafs player only good because other good players" argument doesn't work with Robertson. Absolutely makes a strong case for 2nd best forward on your team considering he doesn't need to rely on star players to produce and actually has knees. He's absolutely worth more than a 4th or whatever pittance picks he's been getting on this forum.</div></div>
Happy to point out what you are missing. Look at Robertson's point production on the top two lines and you will see that 80% of his point production this season is on the top two lines. He also doesn't have the defensive game Kurashev brings which is what Kurashev is known for. Furthermore, Robertson when he produces is not next to one star on the ice like Kurashev (who outproduces him), but two starts be it Nylander and JT or Matthews and Marner. Kurashev and Bedard play with guys like Joey Anderson who couldn't even make the Leafs squad comparably.
I'm willing to bet hands down 31 GMs in the league would rather have Kurashev with his two way game and rarely injured versus the small fragile Robertson who can't produce without two stars on his line.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 3:43 p.m.
Thread:
2425 Leafers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>Robertson has mainly played with Domi as his centre, not Matthews/Tavares. Kurashev's been strapped to Bedard. The "Leafs player only good because other good players" argument doesn't work.
Hall's been on a rough decline. I wouldn't invest a lot in him being that good next season.</div></div>
He has played with both Matthews & Taveres and as such Marner and Nylander. Look at Robertson's production with those lines versus without.
Hall and Kurashev are both better, especially Kurashev who plays a complete 200 ft game and is very good defensively. And no, Kurashev has not been tied to Bedard the entire season no different then your argument with Robertson and the top 2 lines.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 2:43 p.m.
Thread:
2425 Leafers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>I said second best forward. For 5v5 points per 60 he'd be second behind Bedard on Chicago. One of the reasons I'm hesitant to trade him for peanuts.
Doesn't look like there's a difference to me. Would be a lot easier to accept that Chicago is blatantly tanking to get Celebrini.</div></div>
A) There's zero acceptance problem with Chicago fans what the plan is in Chicago
B) Robertson would not be the 2nd best forward. He's not better than Kurashev or Hall and his numbers would plummet in Chicago without the help he gets in Toronto.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 2:42 p.m.
Thread:
2425 Leafers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>Robertson would be the second best forward on Chicago, he doesn't fit their game plan of being bad.</div></div>
No, Robertson would suffer without the help he gets in Toronto. He's also not better than Kurashev to namely, not to mention next year with Hall back healthy and more help on the way.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 1:43 p.m.
Thread:
2425 Leafers
Chicago easily declines. They might give up a 3rd or 4th for robertson, but even at a 2nd they are highly unlikely to be interested in him
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Thu. at 12:00 p.m.
Thread:
Another draft prediction
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caufield</b></div><div>Lev is considered more of a 2-way D</div></div>
He's questionable in his own zone and his strengths weigh heavily to offensive output. Vlasic is a first line shut down guy and Korchinski struggles in his own zone. Vlasic and Levshunov would be a much better pairing.
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Thu. at 11:46 a.m.
Thread:
Another draft prediction
San Jose has a big need for defense and have a long term build going on. As such, it only makes sense for them to fill their need at defenders first rather than forwards given the development time involved in a defensive prospect versus forward prospect.
Hawks probably are looking very closely at Levshunov, but he and Korchinski wouldn't be an ideal pairing as both are offensive D-men. Vlasic, who as a rookie is playing first line against the top competition and ranks top 5 in the league in the D zone (the only Hawks d man this season with positive analytics), would be much more ideal to pair up with Levshunov. Korchinski plays the 2nd line behind Vlasic.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 11:26 a.m.
Thread:
No more shirtless interviews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DealFinder67</b></div><div>Would you make this trade as a Hawks fan?</div></div>
Probably yes, even though Nylander is peaking now and the next couple of years without aligning to the Hawks rebuild plan which is to say their window won't begin to open for another 2 seasons. My only hesitation is I don't love his $11.5M cap hit going on 29 years old in a month as such, but the value on paper weighs in the Hawk favor for sure.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Thu. at 11:24 a.m.
Thread:
No more shirtless interviews
One thing is for sure, Nylander and Bedard next to each other would be dangerous
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Wed. at 11:14 p.m.
Thread:
Sportsnet 2024 Draft Ranking - with current pick ownership
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jeff902</b></div><div>You understand that Sportsnet made this ranking right?
I just inserted teams based in standings</div></div>
That's where team needs will drive results of the draft as you indicated on some teams. Just like you did on some teams, if you knew what I shared you would have made a note next to the Hawks saying they take a RHD or Forward, so happy to help you out
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Wed. at 5:25 p.m.
Thread:
Sportsnet 2024 Draft Ranking - with current pick ownership
Not a chance Hawks select a LHD guy. Vlasic is top 5 in the NHL in the defensive zone this year playing on the first line and is a rookie. Couple that with Korchinski and the Hawks are set on the top 2 lines on the left side. Then they have 3 or 4 prospects on the left battling it out for a future 3rd line spot and 2 of which are for sure locks to play in the NHL.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 3:26 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff team
LMAO both trades are horrible for the Hawks, and the cap is $87m next year, but doesn't matter, there is no way the Hawks abandon the rebuild and do this in the summer; the results would be a first or second round playoff loss.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Wed. at 1:14 p.m.
Thread:
What if Bedard Wanted to Come Home
Doesn't matter what bedard wants, he can play for the Hawks or go to Europe....quite literally those are his options and the league, his agent, and all the influences around him are not going to allow him to go to Europe. He would be a minimum of 5 years out from having any legal contract control of his destiny so your post here, is not only 95% unlikely, it is 99% not happening anytime soon. That said, if the 1% chance the Hawks agreed to a trade, Bedard will 100% not have his option where to go and the price to gain his contractual ELC and RFA rights would be literally sky high, so in other words, not only is the idea 99% unlikely but 100% there is zero chance what you proposed as a trade is based in any sort of reality.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Tue. at 5:45 p.m.
Thread:
Replace Kane and Ceci
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Just for reference, 3 out of the last 4 trades the Hawks made were them paying depth picks to acquire depth players. Ceci is still a good player, just needs to be in a limited roll unlike the one he has had in Edmonton. Pretty sure Kyle Davidson takes something like this, especially since they have a few open spots on the roster and young guys who will need a bit of sheltering.</div></div>
Pretty sure he doesn't because they don't need to trade for a RHD unless they think they can retain half at next year's TDL and get a 3rd rounder or better for Ceci...that would literally be the only reason they would have any interest for a 6th or 7th rounder or even for free.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Tue. at 5:43 p.m.
Thread:
Fire Dubas
Hawks aren't paying a 2nd for Bunting. He was propped up by Matthews and Marner in Toronto and a rebuilding team doesn't need a 3rd cog in the wheel on a top 6 line which means his production will fall off and that $4.5M cap hit won't be worth the money. Hawks are rebuilding organically through the draft and filling gaps by adding through free agency, not giving up draft picks for players who are older and will only loose future trade value on Chicago's bottom ranking team.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Tue. at 5:38 p.m.
Thread:
smart adds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gretzkyghosts</b></div><div>Great, because the Sabres should not be trading him at all.
He is playing well for us & we have <strong>plenty</strong> of Cap room
So there’s really no reason we’d wanna move him!
Cozens42
All of these Skinner trades in which either the Sabres include assets (as this one) or they trade him for less than future considerations have no basis in reality.
Hertl was traded for a prospect chosen 32nd in last year's draft and this years first round pick which will be also very late.
Tomas has three additional years remaining on his contract than Jeff.
Over the last three years Tomas has played in 209 games scoring 65 goals with 162 pts while accumulating a <strong>-71 rating</strong>.
While, Jeff is 18 months older but over the past three years has played in 216 games with <strong>88</strong> goals and 185 pts while accumulating a <strong>ZERO +/-</strong>.
Other than the length of contracts the contracts are essentially identical.
It is unlikely Jeff will be moved due his NTC, but he is far from a cap dump and his return if he accepted a trade should be more commensurate with the Hertl return than this trade.
Well, that is my penny and half for the week.
Fire away, hit me with your best shot!</div></div>
Skinner is one dimensional, Hertl is not one dimensional, plays fast and 200 ft and creates plays, he's not just shooter. They are hands down completely different players in what they bring to the ice and Hertl without question is more valuable to any team.
+/- rating is also about the worst way to evaluate a foward as well, not sure why you would use that
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 12:26 p.m.
Thread:
Foundation Done
Hawks easily decline
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 12:23 p.m.
Thread:
Next year is our year
I guess the Hawks give up 2 late 2nds for a late 1st
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 11 at 12:22 p.m.
Thread:
Competitive 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BaseballCoach</b></div><div>I think they spent a draft pick just to get his nego rights.</div></div>
A 7th round pick but had more to do with the Hawks owning the restricted 1st round pick from Tampa from the hagel deal by throwing a 7th rounder to tampa to make their GM look like he got something for free; which he kind of did.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 5:52 p.m.
Thread:
Steve doesnt know what to do
Cap is going to be $87.5M; wings aren't going to leave $4M of cap space on the shelf is my guess
Forum:
Mock-Draft
Mar. 10 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread:
Very Early 2024 Mock Draft
San Jose, if they miss on Celebrini, will most certainly go with a defender as a top 3 pick, likely Levshunov. Chicago is also very high on Levshunov per reports so there is a good chance he is gone at #2 no matter what.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 10 at 4:52 p.m.
Thread:
smart adds
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cozens42</b></div><div>Skinner at 6.4 is probably pretty close to his market value, top 10 in 5v5 goals over the past 3 seasons. I could also see him waiving to get a fresh start in a cool city with a chance to play with Bedard + Celebrini. Its also not like the Hawks are going to have a cap crunch anytime soon, I think they'll try to add by overpaying guys in free agency, but if they had the chance to add picks/prospect while also getting a roster player why wouldn't they?</div></div>
Because skinner is on the wrong side of 30, about to turn 32 years old, which is when regression really sets in. 3 more years of that agreement, even at $6.4M, will be tough to move in the last season. So really his only value is a bridge player until the Hawks are competitive enough to make a push which at the earliest is 26/27 but more realistically 27/28. Hawks need to focus on adding free agents they can overpay and flip at the TDL for picks. Skinner would fit this perfectly with 1 year left and maybe 2, but 3 years is a bit much with the risk of him at age 35 not being moveable.
The other issue is he doesn't play the 200ft game with speed which is what the Hawks are preaching and the players they are adding as free agents are do.
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