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Forum: Armchair-GM9 hours ago
Thread: Chicago tear down
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>no one is suggesting the wheels come off at 32. That was never the point if you read it you understood that.
But the reality is the number of players 34+ playing at a PPG level 2.
There is typically a fall off, it's normal. Above .6 PPG there are 6.
That's not saying there aren't guys paying well at 34. But the drop off is there.
My point was never that he isn't playing well at 32. My point was when he's 35 on the last year of that deal. You aren't getting a 10 million dollar player. I don't know how you would even want to argue that.
As for the return. There are 2 1st there. POJ was a mid 1st round pick and is only a 20 year old prospect. And the other 1st.
I don't know why you don't see that. And everything else there other than Jarry is trade bait for picks.
I'm not going to sit here and argue that the return can't change. But you won't ever get a 40 goal young winger for him like some people have suggested. That's absurd.</div></div>

The reality is we are talking about Kane, not the average 34 year old player. Kane is exceptional not average. Kane is in the top 10 player in the league, you can bet he's going be a ppg 3 years from now. He's on pace for 38 goals and 92 points playing on a bad team. He's not digressing.

POJ is no longer a 1st round pick, he's 20 years old and playing his first AHL season after a so so stint in the QMHL. He has all of 3 points in the AHL....nothing exceptional. He's 6'2" and only 161lbs, it's hard to see if this guy is going to play at the NHL let alone stick in the AHL.

In addition you threw in a bunch of useless junk. Everyone here is saying you are way off and you are arguing with everyone. At some point you'd hope you realize everyone is not wrong and perhaps you are.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: Just pull the trigger
@ MisstheWhalers

When you are retooling you don't trade your best guys for downgrades in talent, it's really that simple. Saad is easily a top 3 guy for Chicago and playing the best of his career currently. Let me phrase it another way. With Saad and Toews on the top line they are looking for complimentary winger to those two players, a guy like Kap would be a good example. With Kap and Toews on the top line, that would be a **** show and they would need a much better winger to replace Saad. Saad is an anchor winger as a power forward. Kane is a anchor winger as a dynamic forward. Kap is a very good supporting winger but he's no anchor. Every top 6 line needs to a solid center and anchor winger with a complimentary winger. Kap is a complimentary winger not an anchor. You don't build a line around Kap you add him to a line that's otherwise built.

A trade that makes a lot more sense for both teams is Murphy for Kap since the Hawks have Ian Mitchell coming up and a young Boqvist and Seabs not going anywhere due to his contract on the right side. Leafs need a solid stay at home right side defender. Hawks need a complimentary top line right winger to play with Saad and Toews so Kap is a good fit. Trading Saad is giving up more to get back less.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago
Thread: Chicago tear down
@ Pharrow

Kane just put up the best numbers of his career last season. To suggest there is going to be this great falloff because he turns 32 is assanine. Certain players can play at an elite level into their mid 30s. Kane is one of those if you understand how he plays the game and why this is possible and he just demonstrated that last season. As such, his contract is very much fair value and should remain that way for the next few seasons.

If the Hawks were in cup contention, there is no way in hell they trade Kane. If they aren't, there's still no way in hell because he's a leader and legacy in Chicago. That said, if Chicago is tearing is it all down, then there is no way they accept anything less then (2) 1st round picks and prospects. We don't want a bunch of players that bottom 6 or depth guys, that's not how you build for the future. Chucky is a perfect example of this in your trade and Bjustad you've got to be kidding right? While the hawks can eat a contract for the remainder of the season very short term and to be expected to trade cap space to fit Kane in a new team, a team that trades away their best franchise player to rebuild is not interested in taking on cap beyond the remainder of the season and taking on mid age players who are bottom 6 or bottom pairing, they will want picks and prospects.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Thread: Just pull the trigger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Yes I know exactly what I said, cap strapped Hawks couldn't use the cap savings of a cheaper, younger winger? lol

Ceci is inconsequential but you could perhaps get something out if him, if not it's no loss.

You keep Saad and watch his value diminish, good luck prolonging your rebuild.</div></div>

More wrong from you. Hawks aren't cap strapped if you understood where they are at today and will be next year. Go look at the team next year, do a AGM yourself and you'll see why you're wrong there assuming you also understand the prospects the Hawks have which i doubt.

Yes, Hawks keep Saad for 2 more years because he's the only true 2 way forward we have, brings leadership to the table for the younger guys, and because he's hands down better then Kap and a middle 3rd rounder doesn't have a ton of value (15% of 3rd round picks actually ever play in the NHL) and Ceci has zero value. Saad for Kap and a B+ level prospect is a better deal and fair value.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago
Thread: MTL and EDM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickC1988</b></div><div>There are two teams that would be interested, Carolina and Edmonton. It's unlikely they go into a bidding war for a goalie rental. I'm sure the hawks could get more with an extension in place, but that's not the case in this scenario.</div></div>

Well goalies don't grow on trees and especially starting goalies. Lehner is a significant upgrade in Carolina to both their goalies. If Carolina is going for a cup, then they would easily give up a 1st and 3rd. A goalie has more value on the ice then any other player with maybe the exception of a 1st line winger, center or #1 D guy. Go look at what Ben Bishop pulled in 2017 or Ryan Miller. Go look at what E Kane got; Lehner is worth a fair amount more then Kane.