Apr 24, 2017
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>I’ve talked about this plenty of times. Just because they’re hawks doesn’t mean I’m going to like the player or the type of player they are. I never liked bickell, never quite liked Shaw, I never even liked Andrew Ladd I’d I’m being honest. Doesn’t mean I didn’t root for the hawks.
Dach is gonna be no different. He can have a great career, good for him. Good for him for making strides this season. In all honesty, he turned out to be exactly what his draft profile said. They said he was probably most NHL ready, so at least that part turned out true. I don’t like getzlaf or getzlaf styled players. Him having a great career doesn’t depend on my respect though. That’s fine. In case you want me to say it, no, I’m not gonna be a fan of his even if he hits 82 points a season. If he gets 50 a season I’ll at least take it.</div></div>
I get it, you're a glass half empty type of guy based on your rants about the team, management, and players. You are extremely critical of the team and the players which I know you and most of our brothers here would agree with. I can only imagine you weren't a fan for the 10 to 12 years leading up to the first of three cups in the last decade because those were years when the fans had real reason to be so critical and upset. This team brought 3 cups in the last decade and the team of the decade as voted by coaches, players and the NHL. They are still a lot of fun to watch, they are going through a retooling and will be back in the playoffs in the next couple years. Fans of 29 other teams would love to have the Hawks roster over the last 10 years. You simply can't win every year or even make the playoffs every year..that's just the way it is with a hard cap and what makes hockey a much better overall sport to follow then other sports...it's the ultimate team sport with the most parity in all professional sports.
Regarding Dach, for someone not to like the top 2 best prospects this team has seen in 10 years amazes me. Shaw, Ladd, Bickell were nowhere near Dach in skill. Dach is the best center the Hawks have seen since Toews and we desperately needed a center to fill the shoes when Toews is gone...Strome is not that guy and Turcotte is a big question mark so the Hawks did exactly what they should have done with the #3 pick as evidence by the fact both Colorado and LA had Dach as their #1 pick also...widely reported. If you don't like his game, then I guess that sucks knowing you will be watching for the next 10 years with likely a C or A on his chest eventually because he is the future leader of this team as it stands today. Like I said, pre and post draft wasn't a big fan, but watching him...the kid has a ton of talent and I was wrong. Rarely have I said I don't like a A caliber player's game...just seems strange to me.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>Are you telling me to put Dach on the 1st line? Does cole’s size make him a bigger on the 1st line than the 3rd? It’s hockey, he’s a target either way. In this case, he gets to play with toews and kubalik who each play good defense and allow him offensive freedom. Suzuki is plenty good enough for second line minutes coming off 40+ points this year. Dach has debrincat to pass to and nylander, who everyone and their mother adores after a “strong rookie season.” Dach can provide the defense. What’s wrong with that? Dach is 19 and still needs to grow offensively.</div></div>
Generally, teams do not put small players on the 1st line, they play their bigger guys up front. Look at Cat, take a look at his advanced stats on the 1st line...despite playing with better talent....he's sucked. Hockey is about matchups and balance. There is a reason Kane has played most of his career on the 2nd line also. 1st liners are the generally the bigger, faster, stronger, and talented guys....they close in fast and play physical, that's why generally smaller guys play middle 6 to allow them space to perform better. Cat is a perfect example of this.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HatterTParty</b></div><div>That’s part of the problem. I don’t want him learning toe drags and getting hip checked into the third row. I want him to learn north south speed, take 1,000 wrist shots a day till he gets some power on it, and learn to be more direct. He’s not Mario Lemieux.
You’re right, an off-season May do him some good. But he may have to wait another year for that offseason. I do admit I’m never going to like Dach, but I’ll hope for the best for the team.</div></div>
I get you're a pessimistic glass half empty guy, but seriously I don't get the "I'm never going to like Dach" comment. So you mean if he put up over 82 points a season when he peaks, you still won't like him? Seems kind of foolish to say that.
You and I had strong feelings prior to the draft and post draft and then Dach started playing at 18 years old...nobody in their right mind would question him at this point. He's done more then anyone else in his draft class so far, and you are saying he needs to prove more....you should be saying the kids that couldn't step into the NHL should prove more then Dach at this point. I'll look forward to watching Dach's progress this coming season versus Turcotte in his first NHL season but as of now, nobody in their right mind would be questioning the Hawks pick. I ate crap and admit I'm wrong, you should consider doing the same.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Seattle Protection List:
F: Toews, Kane, Debrincat, Strome, Nylander, Saad, Kampf/Cagulla
D: Kieth, Seabrook, Murphy
Exempt: Dach, Kubalik, Boqvist, Mitchell, Beaudan, Carlson (all will have played in 2 seasons or fewer following the 2020-2021 season)
Am i missing something here? We shouldn't have to choose between protecting Saad or Nylander. We really shouldn't be losing much to Seattle. Their best options are dehaan/matta (whoever isn't traded this summer), kampf/Cagulla (whoever isn't protected), or Delia. Obviously trades will affect this, but as the roster sits right now we are in a good spot with the Seattle situation.</div></div>
Is Kubalik protected though if he's not on a ELC or first contract? I didn't think because of it being his 2nd contract plus age that he is exempt. Also, I'm guessing the Hawks protect Delia if he plays well.
Saad is a interesting winger that often fans don't understand how to value because players like him aren't just about points. He's a two way guy, has good breakaway speed, plays great defense, plays on the PK and PP, strong on the puck with good possession numbers, strong with takeways, and was on pace for 30 goals this season. To say he is not worth $6M is at worst debatable and at best wrong. As far as top 6 2 way wingers go, he's easily top 20 in the league and maybe even sneaking into top 10. Guys like him don't grow on trees. As player comparisons go, Saad is a mini Hossa or Kappanen is a mini Saad.
If Hawks are out of the playoffs, they attempt to trade him at the deadline. They may also extend him this fall which Stan has been known to do. The bigger consideration is when you start looking at the expansion draft next summer and I think it boils down to whether the Hawks plan to protect Nylander or Saad and that will depend on how both play going into the allstar break and subsequently who's available at the TDL potentially.
Saad had 1 down season in 17/18, but other then that has been a very good and consistent player. He will always be attached to Panarin and unfairly compared to him, but nonetheless, Saad is a very good player in his own right.